Re: [RBW] OT: Someone else is trying to reinvent the wheel, literally

2013-05-04 Thread Scott Henry
I rode a mountain bike on fire roads for about 7 miles once on an airless
rear tire.   It was stuffed with grass and leaves.   On this I will
actually agree with Jan, I have no desire to ride that again, it sucked.

I do remember as a child watching my dad try to get a solid tire on my
bike.   I recall screwdrivers, pry bars and swearing.No memory at all
of the ride.

Cheers,
Scott



On Friday, May 3, 2013, Jan Heine wrote:

 Sorry that there is a misunderstanding. I don't judge the merits of the
 invention until I have seen and ridden it. It is well possible that 15
 years from now, we all ride on those wheels. (Grant predicted/lamented in
 an early Rivendell Reader that spoked wheels would become obsolete, and he
 may be proven right after all.)

 I only noted that it was unfortunate that the inventor suggested that his
 invention eliminated the need of wide and slow tires, when wide tires
 aren't slow. Of course, this is a common misperception, and we shouldn't
 judge the inventor's knowledge of bicycle technology based on that one
 statement.

 I also suggested that anybody who is talks favorably about airless tires
 first should try them. I have ridden them for little over a mile, and I
 wouldn't want to do it again! At lower speeds, the added resistance will be
 even more noticeable, because air resistance is reduced, and rolling
 resistance makes up most of the resistance the cyclist has to overcome.
 Most of all, since the tires don't hold their shape, the handling is best
 described as wayward.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at www.janheine.com

 On Friday, May 3, 2013 10:30:55 AM UTC-7, pb wrote:


 On Thursday, May 2, 2013 7:51:58 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:

 Airless tires have so much resistance that you'd rather change a flat
 every 10 miles! We tested a set of airless tires for our latest tire test
 (Bicycle Quarterly Spring 2013), and found that they used 50% more power
 than a good racing tire. Maintaining 20 mph was very hard work. And in
 corners, they squirmed so much that it was really disconcerting.


 Jan,  all due respect, I think you're still completely missing the
 point.  I doubt that many riders on the Dahon which is the current target
 of this work are trying to maintain 20 mph.  Additionally, the small
 diameter of the 20 wheel reduces rotating weight to an extent which might
 somewhat offset rolling resistance.  (No doubt I'll be mathematically
 proven completely wrong about that, but consider that urban trips are
 heavily stop-start-stop-start.)   If one considers the likely trip distance
 and trip type of an urban Dahon, utility effectiveness may trump other
 factors.

 On another subject -- I have to give the inventor credit for a campaign
 which has exceeded its investment target.  The kickstarter is pushing
 $US70,000, more than 10% over its target, with two weeks yet to go.
 Apparently a number of  people think this idea has merit.  Even if it
 ultimately fails, I sincerely congratulate Mr. Pearce on his efforts.



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[RBW] OT: Someone else is trying to reinvent the wheel, literally

2013-05-02 Thread Scot Brooks
It's always nice to see people trying to innovate, but I doubt Jim Thill, 
Peter White, or Rich Lesnik will be too worried about this. 
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1205277475/loopwheels-for-a-smoother-more-comfortable-bicycle

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