[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose
"A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.." Well that's one way to put it! On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote: > Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I tried > to capture the bent ends. > > With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. I > know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the > original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and > from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the > chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I > waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's > confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it. > > [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: > rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: > rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg] > > Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. > Note the touchup paint on the fork. > > [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg] > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/46412fd4-3710-4e5c-9355-b1c69d1dd170n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose
If you have detailed photos of the fork, I think it would be appropriate to post those as well. Jim / list admin On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote: > Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. Here’s > what happened: > > A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) > from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS > delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track > across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been > haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. > > I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over > the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, > the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of > alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid > for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, > and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit > organization. > > I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once > again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has > been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the > worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing > the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. > > The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed > decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn > me. > > [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg] > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e163a58f-9ba8-41d1-88a8-3259423f5ea4n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose
Good eye, Willet. Of course one of the selling points Riv promotes about steel frames is they can be repaired so it doesn't mean this is a bad bike, but all that hullabaloo in the Craigslist copy should probably mention the history. Me-thinks! On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-8 WilletM wrote: > > The CL bike does appear to be missing paint on the inside of the non-drive > seatstay just below the middle rack braze-on, which is the same location as > the damage and missing paint of Matthew's Appaloosa. That would be the > clincher for me even more than some of the parts in common, which I imagine > is a very common occurrence on Riv's that are purchased as completes from > RBW. > > Willet M. > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 8:50:48 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote: > >> How do you know it’s the same bike? >> It looks distinctly un-smashed, and you don’t know the “concatenations of >> circumstances.” >> >> What non-profit did you mail it to? >> >> Philip >> Nonplussed in Sonoma County, where even the Riv-knowledgeable bike co-op >> won’t take a smashed bike. >> >> >> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote: >> >>> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. >>> Here’s what happened: >>> >>> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) >>> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS >>> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track >>> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been >>> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. >>> >>> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over >>> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, >>> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of >>> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid >>> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, >>> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit >>> organization. >>> >>> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once >>> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has >>> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the >>> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing >>> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. >>> >>> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an >>> informed decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone >>> to warn me. >>> >>> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg] >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7f85fcb6-a63c-453a-af13-38c23fee1d63n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose
The CL bike does appear to be missing paint on the inside of the non-drive seatstay just below the middle rack braze-on, which is the same location as the damage and missing paint of Matthew's Appaloosa. That would be the clincher for me even more than some of the parts in common, which I imagine is a very common occurrence on Riv's that are purchased as completes from RBW. Willet M. On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 8:50:48 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote: > How do you know it’s the same bike? > It looks distinctly un-smashed, and you don’t know the “concatenations of > circumstances.” > > What non-profit did you mail it to? > > Philip > Nonplussed in Sonoma County, where even the Riv-knowledgeable bike co-op > won’t take a smashed bike. > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote: > >> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. >> Here’s what happened: >> >> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) >> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS >> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track >> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been >> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. >> >> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over >> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, >> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of >> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid >> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, >> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit >> organization. >> >> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once >> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has >> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the >> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing >> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. >> >> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed >> decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn >> me. >> >> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg] >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3f5e9778-7774-4c8e-9b31-3f347e7909c6n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose
How do you know it’s the same bike? It looks distinctly un-smashed, and you don’t know the “concatenations of circumstances.” What non-profit did you mail it to? Philip Nonplussed in Sonoma County, where even the Riv-knowledgeable bike co-op won’t take a smashed bike. On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote: > Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. Here’s > what happened: > > A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) > from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS > delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track > across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been > haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. > > I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over > the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, > the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of > alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid > for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, > and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit > organization. > > I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once > again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has > been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the > worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing > the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. > > The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed > decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn > me. > > [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg] > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1c95b160-0c11-4d5e-b271-ca8242bb7ec1n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose
Well that explains the new/narrower front wheel and a dynamo light with wires leading to nowhere cuz the dynamo is gone. Yikes! On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote: > Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. Here’s > what happened: > > A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) > from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS > delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track > across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been > haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. > > I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over > the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, > the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of > alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid > for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, > and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit > organization. > > I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once > again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has > been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the > worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing > the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. > > The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed > decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn > me. > > [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg] > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3a2c02db-e60b-48e7-8b55-85861f943c9cn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose
LOL, Joe!!! Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 7:39 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: Needs more tags. On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 6:36:13 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote: Presented without commentary. SFBay Craigslist ad: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/alameda-59-60cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7557541510.html Fully quotated for posterity: “Hi, up for sale is a buttery scrumptious mustard cream super hero bike turned fast sold out Rivendell classic. It’s like the cosmic cool standout relative or friend that you just want to always be around. A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage but overall in great shape. It is size 60cm that I measure the toptube at 59cm (center to top) and toptube 59.5 center to center; it has 700c wheels and built light on the feet tho like a frickin tank. Great ride that eats up and then smiles on all terrains. “If the Greek god Zeus rode a touring bike, it’d be a Rivendell and most likely, it’d be a Joe Appaloosa. Rivendell is straight forward with the Joe Appaloosa. First off, it’s named after a rather unique breed of horse, then, they took their two most famous touring bikes, the Sam Hillborne and the Hunqapillar, combined them and made one bad-ass road touring bike. These bikes are confidence-inspiring works of art, chiseled from stone and as timeless, or legendary as mythology. Ok, maybe that was too much… They’re just damn sexy! “Those frames scream fully-loaded confidence with a fist-sized gap between the rear tire and seat tube, ensuring that even if you want to dive into a turn, this frame will take its own, secure and smooth line. Which is great for a touring or city bike. Loaded on descents, this long wheelbase makes for a predictable and comfortable ride. “Or, to be more concise, the Appaloosa is: “It’s not for stunts, boulder-bouncing, or loaded expeditionary off-road touring, but as a trail bike for sober non-yahoos who weigh less than 215lb, it’s ideal, perfect.. That 215lb isn’t a scientifically-derived number, just a hipshot suggestion based on the Joe having a heavier fork than Sam’s and lighter one than Hunqapillar’s.” “For $2,250 complete, this bike could be yours and you’d have one of the most incredible looking touring and town bikes around. Why so much $ you may ask-Well this bike rocks and last one that sold on EBAY WENT FOR $4,000, tho admittedly a little better better components. “Find out more about this ride on Rivendell’s website or other online blogs. Or at the Rivendell Bicycle Works Fleet Headquarters in Walnut Creek “Tags: Touring, Track, bmx, 6ku, golden, Mercier, Aventon, all city shinola, wabi harry bullitt, cruiser, womens, girls, mens, boys, Yeti, specilized, Santa Cruz, carbon, Rocky Mountain, 27.5, 29, trek, diamondback, norco, full suspension Trek Pivot cannondale Giant yeti Santa Cruz Bulls Riese Muller Haibike izip Focus KTM shimano fox powerfly Vado Como Pedego Elevate Sonders full-e Canyon rocky mountain Kenevo Bmc nomad bronsen Stumpjumper camber Levo Diamondback scott kona Trance remedy fuel slash anthem stance demo enduro reign Sram one by campy demo downhill trail 29 29er 650b 27.5 26 yamaha Levo Creo Enduro Specialized MTB Ebike e-bike eMTB E-mtb 700c carbon 9r 10r 11r specialized hotrock riprock hardtail crosstrail ariel sirrus vita slope slopestyle dirt jumper dirtjumper DJ fx sport 3 4 5 6 dual sport verve escape Trek Domane Cannondale Synapse Boardman Allied Alfa Giant TCR BMC Teammachine SLR01 Jamis Renegade Diamondback Podium Vitesse 3T Strada diverge Giant Defy OPEN U.P.P.E.R. allez Kona Rove Canyon Ultimate CF SLX tarmac sworks s works s-works Liv Langma pinarello dogma Raleigh revere Fuji felt orbea salsa kestrel ridley roadmachine pro comp sport ultegra 105 durace dura ace dura-ace di2 sora apex red etap e tap e-tap wilier pinnacle roval cervelo dolce sequoia coda bianchi amira madone awol crux langster shiv venge cyclocross gravel emonda boone crockett checkpoint Schwinn Micargi Giant Dyno GT Electra Murray Specialized Trek Raleigh Huffy Columbia Diamondback BMX Haro Ripper Redline Kustom Kruiser Kruzer King Mongoose Phat 3G Ripper Flyer SE Greenline Magna Nirve AddMotor, Benno, Bianchi, Breezer, Cervelo, Cyclekids, DelSol, Diamondback, Evo, Felt, Fuji, Haro, Haven, IZIP, Jamis, Linus, Marin, Masi, Norco, Orbea, Raleigh, Redline, Reid, Rocky Mountain, SE Bikes, Zipp, Orange, Paul, Seven Peaks, Sun, Tuesday, Thruster, Univega Yuba, Extracycle eBike, cargo, cargo bike, electric bike, bike, bicycle, Bafang, Radwagon, Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, Giant, touring, bbshd, bbs02, BBHD, BBSH, BBSHD, BBS02, BBS01, BBS02B, electric bike, electric bicycles, electric bikes, Xtracycle, cargo bikes, Yuba bike, Tern, Rad bike, Radbicycle frame, Aventon, Surly, Soma, Salsa, Electra, Schwinn, Mongoose, BMX, Fixie, gravel bike, gravel bikes, Santa Cruz, Rocky Mountain, bike, bicycle, Orbea, Dahon” -- You received this
[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose
Needs more tags. On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 6:36:13 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote: > > Presented without commentary. > SFBay Craigslist ad: > https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/alameda-59-60cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7557541510.html > > Fully quotated for posterity: > “Hi, up for sale is a buttery scrumptious mustard cream super hero bike > turned fast sold out Rivendell classic. It’s like the cosmic cool standout > relative or friend that you just want to always be around. > A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage but overall in great > shape. It is size 60cm that I measure the toptube at 59cm (center to top) > and toptube 59.5 center to center; it has 700c wheels and built light on > the feet tho like a frickin tank. Great ride that eats up and then smiles > on all terrains. > > “If the Greek god Zeus rode a touring bike, it’d be a Rivendell and most > likely, it’d be a Joe Appaloosa. Rivendell is straight forward with the Joe > Appaloosa. First off, it’s named after a rather unique breed of horse, > then, they took their two most famous touring bikes, the Sam Hillborne and > the Hunqapillar, combined them and made one bad-ass road touring bike. > These bikes are confidence-inspiring works of art, chiseled from stone and > as timeless, or legendary as mythology. Ok, maybe that was too much… > They’re just damn sexy! > > “Those frames scream fully-loaded confidence with a fist-sized gap between > the rear tire and seat tube, ensuring that even if you want to dive into a > turn, this frame will take its own, secure and smooth line. Which is great > for a touring or city bike. Loaded on descents, this long wheelbase makes > for a predictable and comfortable ride. > > “Or, to be more concise, the Appaloosa is: > > “It’s not for stunts, boulder-bouncing, or loaded expeditionary off-road > touring, but as a trail bike for sober non-yahoos who weigh less than > 215lb, it’s ideal, perfect.. That 215lb isn’t a scientifically-derived > number, just a hipshot suggestion based on the Joe having a heavier fork > than Sam’s and lighter one than Hunqapillar’s.” > > “For $2,250 complete, this bike could be yours and you’d have one of the > most incredible looking touring and town bikes around. Why so much $ you > may ask-Well this bike rocks and last one that sold on EBAY WENT FOR > $4,000, tho admittedly a little better better components. > > “Find out more about this ride on Rivendell’s website or other online > blogs. Or at the Rivendell Bicycle Works Fleet Headquarters in Walnut Creek > > “Tags: Touring, Track, bmx, 6ku, golden, Mercier, Aventon, all city > shinola, wabi harry bullitt, cruiser, womens, girls, mens, boys, Yeti, > specilized, Santa Cruz, carbon, Rocky Mountain, 27.5, 29, trek, > diamondback, norco, full suspension Trek Pivot cannondale Giant yeti Santa > Cruz Bulls Riese Muller Haibike izip Focus KTM shimano fox powerfly Vado > Como Pedego Elevate Sonders full-e Canyon rocky mountain Kenevo Bmc nomad > bronsen Stumpjumper camber Levo Diamondback scott kona Trance remedy fuel > slash anthem stance demo enduro reign Sram one by campy demo downhill trail > 29 29er 650b 27.5 26 yamaha Levo Creo Enduro Specialized MTB Ebike e-bike > eMTB E-mtb 700c carbon 9r 10r 11r specialized hotrock riprock hardtail > crosstrail ariel sirrus vita slope slopestyle dirt jumper dirtjumper DJ fx > sport 3 4 5 6 dual sport verve escape Trek Domane Cannondale Synapse > Boardman Allied Alfa Giant TCR BMC Teammachine SLR01 Jamis Renegade > Diamondback Podium Vitesse 3T Strada diverge Giant Defy OPEN U.P.P.E.R. > allez Kona Rove Canyon Ultimate CF SLX tarmac sworks s works s-works Liv > Langma pinarello dogma Raleigh revere Fuji felt orbea salsa kestrel ridley > roadmachine pro comp sport ultegra 105 durace dura ace dura-ace di2 sora > apex red etap e tap e-tap wilier pinnacle roval cervelo dolce sequoia coda > bianchi amira madone awol crux langster shiv venge cyclocross gravel emonda > boone crockett checkpoint Schwinn Micargi Giant Dyno GT Electra Murray > Specialized Trek Raleigh Huffy Columbia Diamondback BMX Haro Ripper Redline > Kustom Kruiser Kruzer King Mongoose Phat 3G Ripper Flyer SE Greenline Magna > Nirve AddMotor, Benno, Bianchi, Breezer, Cervelo, Cyclekids, DelSol, > Diamondback, Evo, Felt, Fuji, Haro, Haven, IZIP, Jamis, Linus, Marin, Masi, > Norco, Orbea, Raleigh, Redline, Reid, Rocky Mountain, SE Bikes, Zipp, > Orange, Paul, Seven Peaks, Sun, Tuesday, Thruster, Univega Yuba, Extracycle > eBike, cargo, cargo bike, electric bike, bike, bicycle, Bafang, Radwagon, > Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, Giant, touring, bbshd, bbs02, BBHD, BBSH, > BBSHD, BBS02, BBS01, BBS02B, electric bike, electric bicycles, electric > bikes, Xtracycle, cargo bikes, Yuba bike, Tern, Rad bike, Radbicycle frame, > Aventon, Surly, Soma, Salsa, Electra, Schwinn, Mongoose, BMX, Fixie, gravel > bike, gravel bikes, Santa Cruz, Rocky Mountain, bike, bicycle,
