Re: [RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Toshi Takeuchi]

My C19 all weather looks to be 179/180 mm wide and 270 long.

Toshi


On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:59 AM John Phillips  wrote:

>Has anyone measured the width & length of their Cambium C19? Brooks
> says all versions of the C19 are 275mm long & 184mm wide.
>
> I was about to order the All Weather Carved C19 after reading some people
> found carved version to be a bit more comfortable, but I wasn't sure if my
> sit bones would fit between the rivets.  Then I remembered I had one of the
> older original C19's sitting somewhere in the closet. So I dug it out, sat
> on it and tested where my sit bones were, then I measured the distance
> between the rivets, the overall width and overall length.
>
> My C19 is 176mm wide and 270mm long, not the 184mm wide and 275mm long
> listed on the Brooks England website.
>
> So, could anyone tell me what the actual dimensions of the new All Weather
> version of the C19 actually are?
>
> Maybe I'm just cranky today, and this doesn't amount to a hill of beans,
> but if the All Weather C19's are even less wide, I'd like to know before I
> order one.
>
> Thanks much,
> John
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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I didn't like the (non carved) C-17 on my Sam. Don't recall if I had 
Noodles or Albas on there when I tried, but either would have been around 
saddle height.
I moved it to my Brompton and I like it there just fine.
Very happy with the Rivet Pearl which is now on the Sam.
Saddles - you gotta just lay out the $$$ and keep trying until you find one 
you like

Jay

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 9:33:07 PM UTC+2, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Thanks Howard!
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[John Phillips]

Thanks Howard!

John

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Howard Hatten]

John Philips asked the width of the c-19 Brooks saddle. 
My 3 week old c-19 carved measures as advertised 

Howard
Livonia Mi

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[John Phillips]

   Has anyone measured the width & length of their Cambium C19? Brooks says 
all versions of the C19 are 275mm long & 184mm wide.

I was about to order the All Weather Carved C19 after reading some people 
found carved version to be a bit more comfortable, but I wasn't sure if my 
sit bones would fit between the rivets.  Then I remembered I had one of the 
older original C19's sitting somewhere in the closet. So I dug it out, sat 
on it and tested where my sit bones were, then I measured the distance 
between the rivets, the overall width and overall length. 

My C19 is 176mm wide and 270mm long, not the 184mm wide and 275mm long 
listed on the Brooks England website.

So, could anyone tell me what the actual dimensions of the new All Weather 
version of the C19 actually are?

Maybe I'm just cranky today, and this doesn't amount to a hill of beans, 
but if the All Weather C19's are even less wide, I'd like to know before I 
order one.

Thanks much,
John

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Lester Lammers]

It's a Nylon cover but I would not label it as slick. Me likey.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 2:22:26 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Brooks seems to have evolved the fabric top a bit.  More/slicker rubber 
> coating?
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:13 PM Hoffsta > 
> wrote:
>
>> I tried an early Cambium C17 but experienced it eating all my shorts very 
>> quickly and it seemed the fabric textured top was responsible. I saw one in 
>> a shop the other day and it looked smoother. Are there different textures 
>> available or did it get updated at some point? I found the saddle 
>> comfortable and would consider putting one back on my rain bike if the 
>> texture is improved.
>>
>> Sean H
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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Tim Bantham]

Just a quick update on my saddle exploits. I borrowed a C17 carved from a 
friend and I can say without a doubt that I like it better than the regular 
C17. The difference in the amount of "give" is noticeable but I am not yet 
convinced that this is the one. What I don't like about it is that I can 
feel its width if that makes sense. I think I just need something narrower. 
I have a Charge Spoon that I was able to pick up new for less than $30. I 
am going to try that one next. If that doesn't work I am going to try the 
C15 carved. 

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 12:50:38 PM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Will's recent Email about selecting a Brooks has me thinking about trying 
> a Cambium again. I've tried the Cambium C17 in the past. At first I liked 
> it well enough but that changed the first time I had to do a long ride. I 
> ride my Sam with Alba's and Appaloosa with Billie's. I would say that my 
> position on the bike is upright-ish. Over the course of a longer ride I 
> found that the C17 was downright painful. Specifically, my sit bones 
> started to feel like it was grinding into the top of the saddle with every 
> pedal stroke. 
>
> Has anyone tried a C17 a found that you didn't like it but later had 
> success with another Cambium model? Will had said that the slotted version 
> of the C17 is way better than the non-slotted version. I also heard that 
> the C19 was the way to go. I am skeptical of the C19 because I just don't 
> know if my position is considered to up right enough to warrant a much 
> wider saddle then I have ridden in the past. I realize that one's saddle 
> choice is far from a one size fits all approach. I thought I'd ask for 
> other users experiences as a starting point before I explore trying a 
> Cambium again. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[masmojo]

The article was pretty good, but here's how they break down for me.
#1 C-17 carved
#2 C-17 All weather
#3 broken in B-17
#4 regular C-17
#5 regular C-19
#6 B-72

This list is most of the Brooks saddles I have spent considerable time with. I 
haven't tried the B-17 with the slot or the carved C-19, but I would expect 
they would slot into the upper middle & middle respectively. 

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Kiley Demond]

To answer a question not asked, I just want to give a shout out to Rivet. I 
tried and used several Brooks saddles over the years (never a Cambian) and 
discovered in getting my fit dialed in on my Cheviot, that the Rivet was a 
better option, in good measure because its rails allow for being placed 
further back (already using a Nitto set-back post). The particular Rivet 
saddle I have is the Loveland. The biggest difference visually is the 
shorter skirt and the silver-colored steel rails (which I vastly prefer). Rivet 
Cycle Works 


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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[A. Nostuh]

I only ride in black jeans à la Johnny Cash so it’s hard to tell

Al




On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 8:00:58 PM UTC-5, Hoffsta wrote:
> Does a shellacked Cambium rub off on clothing?

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Kevin Mulcahy]

The C17 is too wide for me, even on upright bikes. I use one for a couple 
years on my comutter but it  caused some pain on my inner thighs on rides 
over 20 miles. I now use the C15 on two of my most-ridden bikes and 
rally like it. One slotted and one standard. I agree that the carved 
version is more comfortable and I use that one on my rigid mtb, where the 
extra spring comes in handy. I'm not sure why Riv doesn't sell the 15. 

For me, B17s were always most comfortable right outta the box, and once 
they grew more hammocky I'd need to start tilting the nose up and then 
eventually that led to other issues. I still use a B17 on my tandem, but I 
don't put a whole lot of miles on the bike. I certainly wouldn't use a 
nose-up saddle on hillybike bike, you're just asking to get skewered. 

-Kevin
In Madison, WI

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Hoffsta]

Does a shellacked Cambium rub off on clothing?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Tim Gavin]

Actually, I'm thinking about the top of the Cambium All-Weather, which is
what I have on my bikes.  Its top is better (in my opinion) than the
original Cambium.

https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/saddles/cambium/cambium-c17-carved-all-weather-black.html

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:22 PM Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> Brooks seems to have evolved the fabric top a bit.  More/slicker rubber
> coating?
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:13 PM Hoffsta  wrote:
>
>> I tried an early Cambium C17 but experienced it eating all my shorts very
>> quickly and it seemed the fabric textured top was responsible. I saw one in
>> a shop the other day and it looked smoother. Are there different textures
>> available or did it get updated at some point? I found the saddle
>> comfortable and would consider putting one back on my rain bike if the
>> texture is improved.
>>
>> Sean H
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Re: [RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[David Bivins]

I had/have the same experience with the crotch on every pair of pants and
shorts getting torn up. I ended up putting a saddle cover on it (the
Aardvark from rivbike.com, which I bought to disguise it in NYC) which
helps tremendously. I hate not seeing it though! It's a beautiful saddle. I
had the C15 previously, but it was stolen.

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:13 PM Hoffsta  wrote:

> I tried an early Cambium C17 but experienced it eating all my shorts very
> quickly and it seemed the fabric textured top was responsible. I saw one in
> a shop the other day and it looked smoother. Are there different textures
> available or did it get updated at some point? I found the saddle
> comfortable and would consider putting one back on my rain bike if the
> texture is improved.
>
> Sean H
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Tim Gavin]

Brooks seems to have evolved the fabric top a bit.  More/slicker rubber
coating?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 1:13 PM Hoffsta  wrote:

> I tried an early Cambium C17 but experienced it eating all my shorts very
> quickly and it seemed the fabric textured top was responsible. I saw one in
> a shop the other day and it looked smoother. Are there different textures
> available or did it get updated at some point? I found the saddle
> comfortable and would consider putting one back on my rain bike if the
> texture is improved.
>
> Sean H
>
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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Hoffsta]

I tried an early Cambium C17 but experienced it eating all my shorts very 
quickly and it seemed the fabric textured top was responsible. I saw one in 
a shop the other day and it looked smoother. Are there different textures 
available or did it get updated at some point? I found the saddle 
comfortable and would consider putting one back on my rain bike if the 
texture is improved.

Sean H

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Ed Carolipio]

I had a similar experience with the C17: I tried it on my Appaloosa with 
Albatross and it was only ok for short distances. I put the C17 on a 
Roadini with drops and it's excellent there. I now have a B17 Standard on 
the Appaloosa.

I saw Will's statement on the carved saddle and, though I haven't made the 
leap of getting a carved C17, I would tend to agree with him based on my 
experiences. I was reluctant to go to a C19 because the sit bone width 
wasn't a problem with the C17.

--Ed C.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-8, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Will's recent Email about selecting a Brooks has me thinking about trying 
> a Cambium again. I've tried the Cambium C17 in the past. At first I liked 
> it well enough but that changed the first time I had to do a long ride. I 
> ride my Sam with Alba's and Appaloosa with Billie's. I would say that my 
> position on the bike is upright-ish. Over the course of a longer ride I 
> found that the C17 was downright painful. Specifically, my sit bones 
> started to feel like it was grinding into the top of the saddle with every 
> pedal stroke. 
>
> Has anyone tried a C17 a found that you didn't like it but later had 
> success with another Cambium model? Will had said that the slotted version 
> of the C17 is way better than the non-slotted version. I also heard that 
> the C19 was the way to go. I am skeptical of the C19 because I just don't 
> know if my position is considered to up right enough to warrant a much 
> wider saddle then I have ridden in the past. I realize that one's saddle 
> choice is far from a one size fits all approach. I thought I'd ask for 
> other users experiences as a starting point before I explore trying a 
> Cambium again. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Tim
>

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