Re: [RBW] Advantages of front loading

[rltilley]

I think my only low trail bikes are my Bromptons. Loading the front on that is 
the best option since the luggage carrier block is there and I have a bunch on 
Brompton bags to fit it. Plus, placing anything on the rear rack that is much 
wider than the rack itself will interfere with my feet when pedaling.

I can say that riding a Brompton without a front load makes the front wheel 
very light and it does feel more twitchy. I often have the front wheel wheely a 
bit when taking off from a stop when riding without a load. With weight in a 
front bag the bike is much more stable.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Sep 3, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
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> And, different question: what is the benefit of front loading on 
> non-Rivendell low-trail bikes: convenience?
> 
> Just curious and describing my own experience.
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[RBW] Advantages of front loading

[Patrick Moore]

Just curious, after adjusting my Ortlieb Sports Packers to the front
lowriders and carrying home about 12 bulky lbs on the front of the 2020
Matthews which is a geometrical clone of a 2003 Riv Road custom -- Riv lost
the geometry chart but I think it's med trail.

10 or 12 lb makes almost no difference in handling, but it does make
wheeling the bike one-handed (gripping stem and adjacent bar) through the
aisles less easy; 20 lb does slow the handling noticeably though not
impossibly. ~15 evenly divided is about the max for happiness.

Rear loads are more stable. 20 lb in the rear is not noticeable, 30 lb in
the rear affects handling less than 20 (evenly distributed) does in front,
and I've carried 45 with the bike still rideable. (For comparo, my best
rear loader was an early 1970s thinnish wall and normal gauge 531 framed
racing bike with long stays and shortish front-center: Motobecane Grand
Record. Though light and flexy, with a *very* stiff 400 gram Tubus Fly this
carried 45 better than any stouter-tubed road bike I've owned, including
any of 4 Riv road models (well, if a first-gen Sam Hill is "road). Another
nice rear grocery load carrier was an '80s Fuji Royale "12 speed" that
actually handled better with 20 lb in back than it did unladen; that one
hated front loads.

So, after that long windup, what is the benefit of front loading *on
Rivendell models*. Is it purely convenience?

And, different question: what is the benefit of front loading on *non-Rivendell
low-trail bikes*: convenience?

Just curious and describing my own experience.

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