[RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Like iphones Same price everywhere seems like. I remember the huge price diff in Nifty Swiftys between RBW and Niagara. I asked RBW about this. RBW said they didnt like the idea that Niagara could sell so cheap as they didnt bear the R/E/design costs. But RBW said they couldn't do same because

[RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

It's easy to get a shipping estimate from a website like Grand Bois. Add items to the cart, then checkout as guest, fill out the form with a dummy name and address, just use a valid zipcode of some sort. Then you will have an exact quote. For the heck of it I added 2 Hetre and I don't recall

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Thanks for sharing! On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 10:45:50 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote: > > Here is an old order of mine for 2 tires and some bits: > > Item Name: GrandBois tire Cypres700 700x30C 700×30C (30-622)/スタンダード | > Standard > Item Price: 4,320 JPY > Qty: 2 > Item Total: 8,640 JPY > > Item

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Here is an old order of mine for 2 tires and some bits: Item Name: GrandBois tire Cypres700 700x30C 700×30C (30-622)/スタンダード | Standard Item Price: 4,320 JPY Qty: 2 Item Total: 8,640 JPY Item Name: GrandBois Brake Springs for GrandBois Chouette/Normal Item Total: 1,080 JPY Item Name: GrandBois

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I have the Fairweather 700x32 in red on my sparkly burgundy English lightweight. They look right, and ride very comfortably. I haven't compared them directly with Compass in that size, but my feeling of the casings is that they're relatively light and supple, but not Compass light. I'm quite

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

For good tires go here. http://www.fmbtires.com/fmb_paris_roubaix_pro.htm Only $160 for 32mm FMB PR Pros, as used by Tom Boonen. I'd ride them, but I'd cry if I flatted them. Anyone try Fairweather tires, yet another Panaracer/Compass variant ?

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I posted a link to Jan's article in one of my replies above. The "hand made" is qualified: *A highlight of my visits to Japan is going to the Panaracer factory. It’s a magical place, where some of the world’s best tires are made largely by hand.* I would have to say that is an exaggeration,

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

On 10/06/2017 07:16 AM, Belopsky wrote: Sorry, was going to add to this: Yes, Jan had a post about his visit to Panaracer about their tires. If the Compass ones are made by hand, so are the other Panaracer tires. As far as value, the Grand Bois line of tires (also made by Panaracer) are

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Sorry, was going to add to this: Yes, Jan had a post about his visit to Panaracer about their tires. If the Compass ones are made by hand, so are the other Panaracer tires. As far as value, the Grand Bois line of tires (also made by Panaracer) are very nice and can be had for relatively cheap

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Not sure if it was addressed, but how are Compass tires made by hand? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I agree, Many years ago, Grant stated in a write up, RBW had to purchase a new Jack Brown mold as the original was wearing. On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 9:42:58 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > I'm pretty sure Compass owns the mold. > > > > -- You received this message because you

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Resist Nomad 700x28c, Hutchinson Confrerie des 650b. The Pari-Moto is a little too expensive to go into the cheap category, and the Nomad 35 is good, but it's just a tire. -david parsons On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 9:35:45 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: > > There's that old saying about fast,

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

+1 Eric. I just pay the price and enjoy the ride. I am utterly spoiled by Compass tires. On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 12:07:21 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote: > > My riding took a leap forward a few years ago when I finally broke down > and started buying expensive tires. They do make a

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Lee Legrand very concisely asked: "Huh?" in response to my sarcastic request for the best tires in the world to be cheap. It was a sarcastic comment. Many many people have learned that better tires are better. Many people believe that Compass tires are the best in the world for their given

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

i've used compass babyshoes, switchback hills, and rat trap passes, all in standard and EL casing. now that i only have one bike which consolidates my miles, i prefer hetres as the best value. surprisingly enough, i have the parimoto with gravelking casing on my girlfriends BDB Pelican, and i

[RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

The "best tire in the world" are the ones on your bike right now. If anyone doubts this, try riding without any tires ! If you need new tires, the best ones are the ones you get, regardless of how or why. Questioning and comparing yourself to others is futile, like being a pinball in the

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

My riding took a leap forward a few years ago when I finally broke down and started buying expensive tires. They do make a difference, and they are worth the money. I currently ride Grand Bois and Compass tires almost exclusively. The major exception is a 650B-equipped Rivendell that currently

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Lee Legrand very concisely asked: "Huh?" in response to my sarcastic request for the best tires in the world to be cheap. It was a sarcastic comment. Many many people have learned that better tires are better. Many people believe that Compass tires are the best in the world for their given

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I thought maybe they had an agreement that panaracer could make their own version even though compass designed it. Because the gravel king looked identical to me. But turns out they are not the same tire anyway so it's a moot question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Turns out they're not the same as the gravel kings. I love the compass tires but now they're up to 64 bucks. It was good to have the price break that compass gave over the last couple years when the yen went down. That was nice of them. I think they were 57$ when I bought my last ones. So not

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

Not exactly almost. But here you go: *For the Compass Extralight models, Panaracer uses a casing usually reserved for their top-end racing tubulars. Panaracer doesn’t use this casing on their own clinchers. The company feels that their tires may end up with inexperienced customers, who may

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I'm pretty sure Compass owns the mold. On 10/04/2017 09:41 PM, lum gim fong wrote: I did not mean that compass was re-branding tires. That's not what I was talking about. I know the history of those compass tires. Pana racer made them for compass. So I thought maybe panaracer had rights

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I did not mean that compass was re-branding tires. That's not what I was talking about. I know the history of those compass tires. Pana racer made them for compass. So I thought maybe panaracer had rights since they have the mold and equipment to make them and was making their own and that

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I don’t ask for much. I just want somebody to ignore all costs to develop and manufacture the best tires in the world and I want them to sell them to me for really really cheap. What’s so hard about that?! Huh? On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > I

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I don’t ask for much. I just want somebody to ignore all costs to develop and manufacture the best tires in the world and I want them to sell them to me for really really cheap. What’s so hard about that?! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Lee Legrand wrote: > Compass tires, if I remember correctly, are made almost by hand which is > why the cost is the way it is. > I suspect you're on to something there. I've always thought it was sorta funny that so many people assume Compass

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I've also been in search of times that would match the Compass tires without the same high cost. I was working on the assumption that a bigger company with wider distribution channels could offer the same thing for less. Doesn't appear to be the case. The closest alternative is the Soma Supple

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

The Soma Vitesse are awfully close to my estimation and at $35 a pop look pretty good -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

I've also been in search of times that would match the Compass tires without the same high cost. I was working on the assumption that a bigger company with wider distribution channels could offer the same thing for less. Doesn't appear to be the case. The closest alternative is the Soma Supple

Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

On 10/04/2017 06:41 PM, lum gim fong wrote:  https://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/panaracer-gravelking-slick-650x42mm-brown-sidewall Panaracer rebranded? Not an accusation, just curious, because if it is the same tire I'd like to save the 40$ per pair by buying these. Anyone know?

[RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

https://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/panaracer-gravelking-slick-650x42mm-brown-sidewall Panaracer rebranded? Not an accusation, just curious, because if it is the same tire I'd like to save the 40$ per pair by buying these. Anyone know? -- You received this message because you are