Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Jame E]

One more note about train carry - get a frame handle, and it makes it much 
easier to deal with your bike on the train! Here are a few options - but 
you could make your own too! I don't carry my bike on the train often, but 
I have stairs to navigate and it makes a huge difference on my top tubeless 
bike.

   - Walnut 
   

   - Cardiff 
   

   - DIY paracord 
   


On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 3:43:20 AM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I won't weigh in on bike weight or specific models, but I've learned to 
> stay away from the edges of a recommended PBH range.  My first Riv was a 
> 60cm first-generation Sam Hillborne for which my PBH of 88 cm was at the 
> lower boundary of the range (and also at the upper boundary of the 
> recommended range for the 56cm size).  I test rode both sizes, and while 
> both felt good I had Riv's mantra of "go bigger" going through my mind so 
> bought the 60 cm.  I could never love it, but later bought a 58cm for which 
> I was in the middle of the PBH range and I love that one.  The differences 
> are subtle in a way I can't articulate, but one is good and the other is 
> great.  There may have been other differences between the generations, but 
> I think most of it comes down to sizing.  
>
> In retrospect, neither size of that Gen1 Hillborne was the right bike for 
> me because I was the edge of the PBH range for both.  When Riv introduces 
> new models or sizes now, I look first at the recommended range and if I'm 
> not in the middle then I don't consider it.  That knocks some models out of 
> contention right away, but I still manage to find enough bikes to fit my 
> needs (and by "needs" I mean "wants").  
>
> Dave
>
>

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I won't weigh in on bike weight or specific models, but I've learned to 
stay away from the edges of a recommended PBH range.  My first Riv was a 
60cm first-generation Sam Hillborne for which my PBH of 88 cm was at the 
lower boundary of the range (and also at the upper boundary of the 
recommended range for the 56cm size).  I test rode both sizes, and while 
both felt good I had Riv's mantra of "go bigger" going through my mind so 
bought the 60 cm.  I could never love it, but later bought a 58cm for which 
I was in the middle of the PBH range and I love that one.  The differences 
are subtle in a way I can't articulate, but one is good and the other is 
great.  There may have been other differences between the generations, but 
I think most of it comes down to sizing.  

In retrospect, neither size of that Gen1 Hillborne was the right bike for 
me because I was the edge of the PBH range for both.  When Riv introduces 
new models or sizes now, I look first at the recommended range and if I'm 
not in the middle then I don't consider it.  That knocks some models out of 
contention right away, but I still manage to find enough bikes to fit my 
needs (and by "needs" I mean "wants").  

Dave

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Joe Bernard]

Mark probably got a Roadeo in his size down to 18 pounds, he's a little guy and 
that frame in all sizes seems built to be a Mark's Bike, i.e, thin light tubes. 
You won't get there with any other production Rivs, so pick the one you like 
looking at the most. 

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 I recall that RBW advertised an 18 lb build by Mark on either the Roadini or 
Roadeo a few years ago. My '95 Road is currently 18 lbs. My Ram is 22.  I don't 
think a Hillborne could get that light. I used to have a Saluki and it ws in 
the 25 - 27 range. My point was that no steel bike was going to be super light 
as the OP mentioned weight for carrying on and off public transport.
On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 04:28:21 PM CDT, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners 
Bunch  wrote:  
 
 You'd have to work pretty damn hard to get either of those three models 
anywhere near 18lbs 
  



  

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Bruce Herbitter]

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> On Jun 5, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> "Racy?"  Surely not "racist."  
> 
>> On 6/5/19 4:56 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>>  A racist build will be down to 18 lbs or so. 
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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Eric Karnes]

Regarding weight, I agree with Jeffrey. I'm not familiar with the San 
Marcos, but I've had a 61cm MUSA Homer. Built up with reasonably light 
components (dura-ace / open pro wheels, old ultegra drivetrain, compass 
tires) it was around 24ish pounds without bags and water bottles. I 
personally found it nice and light for my tastes and honestly I don't think 
you'd notice a sizable difference vs the San Marcos (or the Hilsen) carting 
it on and off the train. I carried mine up and down two flights of stairs 
everyday with no problem. So get the frame you like best.

Regarding sizing, I will say that I too was in between sizes (a 62cm is my 
sweet spot) on the AHH and I regret going with the smaller 61cm. I've since 
sold it, and if I wasn't moving overseas, I would snatch up that 63cm that 
Bill has for sale. Although if it stays up for sale, I might buy it anyway 
and ship it over. Someone remove that temptation please!

Eric


On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 5:28:16 PM UTC-4, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> You'd have to work pretty damn hard to get either of those three models 
> anywhere near 18lbs and fitted for practical commuting. I'd wager it's 
> impossible, actually .. and anyway, that's not the Riv ethos. The Sam or 
> Homer with fenders, at least one rack and a basket and a full compliment of 
> mid to upper tier parts: drive train, cockpit, rim, hubs, tires, etc. is at 
> best going to run 25 lbs (+) minimum. Nothing wrong with that ... but by 
> minimum I mean closer to 28 to 30 in real world weight.
>
> On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> "Racy?"  Surely not "racist."  
>> On 6/5/19 4:56 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>  A racist build will be down to 18 lbs or so. 
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You'd have to work pretty damn hard to get either of those three models 
anywhere near 18lbs and fitted for practical commuting. I'd wager it's 
impossible, actually .. and anyway, that's not the Riv ethos. The Sam or 
Homer with fenders, at least one rack and a basket and a full compliment of 
mid to upper tier parts: drive train, cockpit, rim, hubs, tires, etc. is at 
best going to run 25 lbs (+) minimum. Nothing wrong with that ... but by 
minimum I mean closer to 28 to 30 in real world weight.

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> "Racy?"  Surely not "racist."  
> On 6/5/19 4:56 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>
>  A racist build will be down to 18 lbs or so. 
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Steve Palincsar]

"Racy?"  Surely not "racist."

On 6/5/19 4:56 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

  A racist build will be down to 18 lbs or so.


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[RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Fullylugged]

The comparative weight of the frames matters much less than the weight of the 
components (especially the tires, which can get quite heavy) that you assemble 
on to it.  A reasonable steel bike build will be 22 lbs or more. A racist build 
will be down to 18 lbs or so. Of the models you mention and the use you 
describe, the Hillborne might be your best choice with plush fabric bead tires. 
Gravel Kings even.  But as a song goes, "You're a winner either way."  ("I Feel 
Lucky"  M. C. Carpenter)

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[RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Jeffrey B]

Are the Somas still available? 
Everywhere I looked is sold out.

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[RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Karl]

I would ride a 59 San with a 84 PBH... so I would look there. My preference is 
to go bigger. Every time I have went smaller, it’s made me regret my purchase. 
What kind of riding would be more what would steer the decision than lifting to 
the train. Also, it would be worth a call to Will over at Rivendell. I see this 
as a life purchase, so spending an extra $400 for a true Rivendell matched by 
an employee who knows is totally worth it in my opinion. Hope this helps!

Karl
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[littlerico]

Hi all, 

I am in the process of trying to figure out which Rivendell will best suit my 
PBH and needs. I intend to use it primarily for commuting (~10 miles per day), 
getting around town, plus longer weekend rides.

The three bikes I’ve been considering are the Soma San Marcos (I know not 
technically Rivendell), AHH, and Sam Hillborne. 

My height is 5’9” and PBH is 85.5. This puts me between sizes on the AHH, in 
the middle with Sam Hillborne, and unclear on the San Marcos. 

At this point I would prefer a San Marcos if it fits well as it seems to be a 
bit lighter which would be helpful for getting it on and off the train, as well 
as price. The Sam seems to be the heaviest, but I’m square in the middle of the 
PBH range for the 55 which sounds like it would fit well. 

Would the San Marcos 57cm be too large? If one is between sizes on an AHH, 
would bigger or small be better?

Thank you!

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