[RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-31 Thread travis.ha...@gmail.com
I’m a dedicated hammock camper, w >1000 off the ground for comfort. 

Theultimatehang.com and Derek Hansen’s book will help you lots. He’s a veteran 
Boys Scout leader, so his advice for and experience with newbies is 
outstanding. 

You must underquilt , as a Bike packer, for space and weight. Kludges are akin 
to lifting your chain between chain wheels with a coat hanger. A partial UQ for 
your torso will do. If down-filled , it will weigh<1lb and compress to large 
grapefruit size. A sleeping bag is too much and too hard to enter and exit 
unless left mostly unzipped . A top quilt replacement for temps to 35F will 
weigh <20oz. 
Total kit, down UQ and TQ, hammock, straps, and tarp, will come to 5-6lb. 

Hammockforums.net is a good source for discussion, info, and gear. 

WARNING: Hammock campers there include weight weenies to rival mountaineers and 
CF aficionados. 

Harry Travis
PDX, OR
USA

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[RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-31 Thread DarinM
When people say you need some extra insulation from below for hammock camping, 
they mean it! My first overnight in the hammock was pretty miserable due to 
cold spots but it’s been pretty smooth since adding a sleeping pad.

A sleeping bag will compress in a few spots under you and those spots will get 
cold.

Darin in the Palouse 

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[RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-31 Thread Kent Peterson
Mark Vande Kamp and I are both ex-hammock campers. This ride report touches on 
the thermal issues

http://www.carsstink.org/peterson/OctoberAdventure.html

We've both basically decided that it's easier & more comfortable to dial in a 
good ground-based set-up.

Kent Peterson
Eugene, Oregon

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[RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-31 Thread Vincent Tamer
Has anyone tried running the hammock through the ends of the sleeping bag to 
make a cocoon? This would be a cheaper option to the double quilt setup that is 
so common. 

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[RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-31 Thread Matt C.
I am a big fan of hammock camping for similar reasons. Its not bulky to pack 
and my set up is lighter than a tent, plus you arent always searching for a 
flat spot. And the biggest reason: I just sleep way better in a hammock. 

But I have made my share of mistakes and had cold shoulders/butt. Here is what 
I have learned: hammock camping in 50+F weather is easy. A sleeping bag and 
tarp is probably all you need. A sleeping pad helps. Under 50F you have to 
think things through a bit better. Insulation underneath that doesn't compress 
is vital. I recently picked up an Outdoor Vitals mummy pod which can be used as 
a sleeping bag and hammock insulation. I just used it for a bike 
camping/brewery tour in Vermont this past weekend. It was great. I forgot to 
take any photos of my set up. 

But I have also cold weather camped (15F) in a hammock and didnt have a good 
insulation (just a sleeping bag) and mafe it work, but have learned a few 
tricks:

1. Tie your tarp all the way to the ground to prevent wind underneath. This 
helps so much. 
2. Hang your hammock low and use leaves to build a small nest underneath 
(nature's insulation).

Its amazing how those two things can increase the warmth. 

But its May, so it should be warm in most places. I hope you have a great time 
and become a hammock convert.  

Matt Cook
Bristol, RI 
 

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Re: [RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-29 Thread Brett Callahan
Patrick, good point about the actual or perceived weight savings. My bigger
concern is space. I've got a light backpacking tent, but it is bulky. I can
stuff the hammock, extra long straps, and sleeping bag in one small
pannier, whereas I can't with a tent and sleeping bag and air mattress.

I suppose that, since I don't know whether the trees will cooperate, even
with long straps, I can bring an inflatable sleeping bag, just in case.

Brett

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Hey Brett ... as you allude to, hammocks are fantastic ... until they
> aren’t. When aren’t they?
> 1. When trees don’t cooperate by being where you want to camp, or spaced
> right (long lines help this)
> 2. Below xx˚F, at which point you have to haul insulation for
> outside/below you. For me, that point is about freezing, which is a
> possibility any night of the year where I camp.
>
> So, for ideal summer camping in climes that don’t turn to winter in a
> flash, you’re golden. But if you are at altitude (8,000 ft. plus) I don’t
> recommend it. Been there, done that, and never need to do it again. My
> Hilleberg Akto tent is lightish (3+ lbs?), and for the “extra” two pounds
> over an ultralight or hammock set up I have a warm and dry and hearty
> shelter that is easy to set up anywhere regardless of conditions. I’m happy
> to carry those two pounds. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
Hey Brett ... as you allude to, hammocks are fantastic ... until they aren’t. 
When aren’t they?
1. When trees don’t cooperate by being where you want to camp, or spaced right 
(long lines help this)
2. Below xx˚F, at which point you have to haul insulation for outside/below 
you. For me, that point is about freezing, which is a possibility any night of 
the year where I camp.

So, for ideal summer camping in climes that don’t turn to winter in a flash, 
you’re golden. But if you are at altitude (8,000 ft. plus) I don’t recommend 
it. Been there, done that, and never need to do it again. My Hilleberg Akto 
tent is lightish (3+ lbs?), and for the “extra” two pounds over an ultralight 
or hammock set up I have a warm and dry and hearty shelter that is easy to set 
up anywhere regardless of conditions. I’m happy to carry those two pounds. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-29 Thread Brett Callahan
Hey Tim, great point about insulation. I've slept in a hammock overnight
before and not had that problem, but it was in July. I'm thinking that one
of those silvery emergency blanket type things might make for a good
lightweight insulator.

Incidentally, if you're free next weekend and want to camp out at Stub
Stewart, you should joint us!

Glad to hear you're enjoying the boscos. I recently ordered some billie
bars, but haven't had enough miles on them yet to form an opinion.

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:51 AM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) <
timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Morning, Brett!
>
> I'm testing a set up right now. I'd suggest either finding a way to have
> insulation beneath the hammock or using an sleeping pad inside the hammock.
> If you don't do that, all the insulation from your bag will be squished and
> you'll have a cold butt. No fun. If you can, give it a try in your backyard
> for a night first.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> Ps. I'm still loving that Bosco bars!
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[RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-29 Thread Tim O. (Portland, OR)
Morning, Brett! 

I'm testing a set up right now. I'd suggest either finding a way to have 
insulation beneath the hammock or using an sleeping pad inside the hammock. If 
you don't do that, all the insulation from your bag will be squished and you'll 
have a cold butt. No fun. If you can, give it a try in your backyard for a 
night first. 

Cheers,
Tim

Ps. I'm still loving that Bosco bars!

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[RBW] Hammock camping?

2018-05-29 Thread Brett Callahan
Hi all, I'm heading out this weekend for a 2 day trip with some friends and 
planning to take a hammock and inflatable pillow instead of my usual tent 
setup that I use for backpacking. The only other times I've camped via bike 
I've lugged the tent, but I'm going for lighter this time around.  I've a 
tarp to string above the hammock in case of light rain, and if the forecast 
calls for anything more than that, I'll scrap this plan and bring a tent. 

Seeing as there seems to be a pretty big cross section between Riv riders 
and bike campers, I wondered if anyone has any tips to share? I'm 
specifically asking for tips for a first time hammock camper, but if anyone 
has any great tips for camping via bike in general, I'm happy to take those 
as well. 

Also, I realize the "Riv-content" of this post is pretty loose, so if it's 
not appropriate, someone let me know and I'll delete. 

Cheers,
Brett

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