Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)
Riv refers to the AHH as a Country Bike. Intended for dirt fire roads as well as smooth pavement. Lighter loads as you say. You can read Riv's comparison of the two models on Cyclofiend at the link below: (The article refers to Saluki, which is the same bike in smaller sizes as AHH) http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr37_pg14.jpg On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: The Bleriot and SH were/are built with thicker tubes than the AHH, correct? My AHH felt very springy/lively, just like my Romulus did. I would say both are more road-only lighter-load biased than the Bleriot and Hillborne. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)
From the Rivendell website; The Sam Hillborne is the replacement for the* Bleriot,* with some differences. It's a cross between the Atlantis, our cantilever-braked touring bike, and the A. Homer HIlsen, our roadish country bike. It's a cross... means it has tubing halfway in between the two (in *wall thickness.*..) and the 40mm max tire clearance (and straight chainstays) of the A.Homer Hilsen. I imagine the AHH has slightly heavier tubing than the Roadeo, but thinner tubing than the Atlantis and the Sams. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:10:25 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: The Bleriot and SH were/are built with thicker tubes than the AHH, correct? My AHH felt very springy/lively, just like my Romulus did. I would say both are more road-only lighter-load biased than the Bleriot and Hillborne. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:10:16 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: I've had the same experience in comparing a SH to an AHH: same fit, similar toptube, both set up with similar 36-spoke wheels, Brooks saddles, and typical Nitto Aluminum bits. Both with Jack Brown greens. The big difference in the frames was 60 cm SH with 6 degree toptube slope versus a 65 cm AHH with a 1.5 degree toptube slope, but the bar height relative to saddle was the same. AHH's chainstay was 0.5 cm shorter! There's faerie dust on those AHH's! - Jim On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Joan Oppel wrote: I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs. Richard showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen. He's very excited about the bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2). It's a pretty standard Riv build. I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv build. Differences are: Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear), AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front and rear) Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the fenders). Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55. Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, AHH had just a tiny seatbag. Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin. Wow, was I impressed. It felt - sprightly, lively. Definitely different than the Bleriot. I'm wondering why. There's maybe a slight difference in weight between the two bikes, by feel. Is it the tires? the tubeset? Joan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/W_77gA3IquoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)
I don't think it's as simple as thick vs thin tubes. When the Hillborne first arrived, I was lucky enough to ride one over at the RBWHQL , as well as hear what Grant had come up with in terms of design and tube set choice. It is definitely a different selection of tubes - as one would expect from a different frame design. At the time I rode it, the ride seemed to land just where GP had said - between the Atlantis and the Hilsen (for some reason, light-framed Atlantis came to mind, even though I don't own an Atlantis for true comparison). I never really heard what choices were made with the Bleriot, but it was modeled after the Saluki. It would not surprise me that some allowances were made to keep the price down and work with the production facility (Maxway) and the needs of QBP, who was the partner in the project. And tires and pressures make a HUGE difference in any test ride. The first time I rode a Hilsen, it was actually fitted with Rolly Polly 28's (at the time the JB's had not yet arrived). Grant sent me off on the bike saying very specifically that the tires were not what the bike was designed for. It felt akin to my open-wheeled racer. When I rode it again before buying one, with the JB's, it felt like a Lamborghini with a Land Rover undercarriage. - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)
Agree with this assessment. Have an early Hillborne and used to own an Atlantis. The ride does seem to be similar. Closer than, say, my Simpleone to the Atlantis. Then again maybe my memory is all wrong as I haven't owned the Atlantis for a few years. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 11, 2012 10:54 AM, Cyclofiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't think it's as simple as thick vs thin tubes. When the Hillborne first arrived, I was lucky enough to ride one over at the RBWHQL , as well as hear what Grant had come up with in terms of design and tube set choice. It is definitely a different selection of tubes - as one would expect from a different frame design. At the time I rode it, the ride seemed to land just where GP had said - between the Atlantis and the Hilsen (for some reason, light-framed Atlantis came to mind, even though I don't own an Atlantis for true comparison). I never really heard what choices were made with the Bleriot, but it was modeled after the Saluki. It would not surprise me that some allowances were made to keep the price down and work with the production facility (Maxway) and the needs of QBP, who was the partner in the project. And tires and pressures make a HUGE difference in any test ride. The first time I rode a Hilsen, it was actually fitted with Rolly Polly 28's (at the time the JB's had not yet arrived). Grant sent me off on the bike saying very specifically that the tires were not what the bike was designed for. It felt akin to my open-wheeled racer.When I rode it again before buying one, with the JB's, it felt like a Lamborghini with a Land Rover undercarriage. - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)
I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs. Richard showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen. He's very excited about the bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2). It's a pretty standard Riv build. I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv build. Differences are:Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear), AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front and rear)Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the fenders).Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55.Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, AHH had just a tiny seatbag.Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin. Wow, was I impressed. It felt - sprightly, lively. Definitely different than the Bleriot. I'm wondering why. There's maybe a slight difference in weight between the two bikes, by feel. Is it the tires? the tubeset? Joan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)
I've had the same experience in comparing a SH to an AHH: same fit, similar toptube, both set up with similar 36-spoke wheels, Brooks saddles, and typical Nitto Aluminum bits. Both with Jack Brown greens. The big difference in the frames was 60 cm SH with 6 degree toptube slope versus a 65 cm AHH with a 1.5 degree toptube slope, but the bar height relative to saddle was the same. AHH's chainstay was 0.5 cm shorter! There's faerie dust on those AHH's! - Jim On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Joan Oppel wrote: I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs. Richard showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen. He's very excited about the bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2). It's a pretty standard Riv build. I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv build. Differences are: Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear), AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front and rear) Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the fenders). Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55. Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, AHH had just a tiny seatbag. Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin. Wow, was I impressed. It felt - sprightly, lively. Definitely different than the Bleriot. I'm wondering why. There's maybe a slight difference in weight between the two bikes, by feel. Is it the tires? the tubeset? Joan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Impressed by an AHH (though I don't own one)
The Bleriot and SH were/are built with thicker tubes than the AHH, correct? My AHH felt very springy/lively, just like my Romulus did. I would say both are more road-only lighter-load biased than the Bleriot and Hillborne. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:10:16 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: I've had the same experience in comparing a SH to an AHH: same fit, similar toptube, both set up with similar 36-spoke wheels, Brooks saddles, and typical Nitto Aluminum bits. Both with Jack Brown greens. The big difference in the frames was 60 cm SH with 6 degree toptube slope versus a 65 cm AHH with a 1.5 degree toptube slope, but the bar height relative to saddle was the same. AHH's chainstay was 0.5 cm shorter! There's faerie dust on those AHH's! - Jim On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Joan Oppel wrote: I led a group ride this morning for one of the local bike clubs. Richard showed up with his brand new A Homer Hilsen. He's very excited about the bike, has posted here about his excitement (blueride2). It's a pretty standard Riv build. I took my Bleriot to the ride - another standard Riv build. Differences are: Bleriot has Hetres (45 front, 50 rear), AHH has Jack Browns (at 70 front and rear) Bleriot has SKS fenders, AHH is fenderless (though he is waiting for the fenders). Bleriot is a 53, AHH is a 55. Bleriot has a trunk bag and rack(multi-tool, spare, patch kit) and rack, AHH had just a tiny seatbag. Since I can ride a 55, I took Richard's bike for a short spin. Wow, was I impressed. It felt - sprightly, lively. Definitely different than the Bleriot. I'm wondering why. There's maybe a slight difference in weight between the two bikes, by feel. Is it the tires? the tubeset? Joan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cbMvLcIMjXQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
