[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-11 Thread Marty
Clarification:

Seth said:

If you want to feel good about it- buy the bike by donating to
smiletrain.
You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly (8 - 12) kids get a
new smile, too.

Riv says:

Whatever you give, up to $300, we give you 75 percent of that in
Rivencredit...
So, you cant fund a bike with Smiles alone, but it's still a very
generous offer.

Mt deposit is in on a 62 Hunqapillar, and a donation to Smile Train
made the early adopterz deal even sweeter. Thanks Riv!

Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
 Clarification:

 Seth said:

 If you want to feel good about it- buy the bike by donating to
 smiletrain.
 You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly (8 - 12) kids get a
 new smile, too.

 Riv says:

 Whatever you give, up to $300, we give you 75 percent of that in
 Rivencredit...
 So, you cant fund a bike with Smiles alone, but it's still a very
 generous offer.

 Mt deposit is in on a 62 Hunqapillar, and a donation to Smile Train
 made the early adopterz deal even sweeter. Thanks Riv!


Interesting - there was something in there earlier about 'funding a
bike'. I don't think it was a $300 limit last week, but maybe I
misread it.

Thanks for clarifying it Marty.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread Leslie
I can see that, not wanting canti studs there if they're not being
used


Okay, maybe a non-Rivish thought, but, since the Hunqa could be
considered a 29er, what about using disc brakes?   (Have to admit, I
know little about 'em, seems like it just complicates things more than
they need to be, but, if it'd function well.)





On Feb 9, 1:03 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 2/9/10 9:54 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
  But doesn't the Sam have the bridge in place for calipers anyway?
  Can't you have a bike set up for a caliper, but also for cantis, too?

  I like the cantis on my old Nishiki MTB, I have no objection to them,
  thought the idea of the canti-Rom was a great idea when I heard about
  it (I'm new to the Riv arena, they'd come and gone before I was
  here... so, I'm learnin' all the time).

  I think a bike with canti studs on it that is not using them looks a
  bit awkward. that's all.

 Agreed. You can remove the post so that you end up with the boss only.  But,
 it does create a bit of a warty spot on the seatstay and fork.

 - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can see that, not wanting canti studs there if they're not being
 used


 Okay, maybe a non-Rivish thought, but, since the Hunqa could be
 considered a 29er, what about using disc brakes?   (Have to admit, I
 know little about 'em, seems like it just complicates things more than
 they need to be, but, if it'd function well.)



you'd need the mounts for disc brakes and I can't really see a
rivendell with disc brakes it seems wrong.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread James Warren

I'd be into a Rivendell with disc brakes. (Would it cause dangerous freedom to 
change wheel size on a whim?)

I've admired Co-Motion's versatile models (like the Pangea) that have disc 
brake options.

-Jim


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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can see that, not wanting canti studs there if they're not being
 used


 Okay, maybe a non-Rivish thought, but, since the Hunqa could be
 considered a 29er, what about using disc brakes?   (Have to admit, I
 know little about 'em, seems like it just complicates things more than
 they need to be, but, if it'd function well.)



you'd need the mounts for disc brakes and I can't really see a
rivendell with disc brakes it seems wrong.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread Michael_S
Looked at the new Salsa... straight fork, no lugs, not a very nice
paint job... I see why it's much cheaper to make and buy.
The other competitor is the Rawland Drakkar... beautiful fork crown
and curves, some nice frame features and takes discs for those who
want them... much nicer than the Salsa's.
But neither compare to the Rivendells.. they have everything ... nice
forks, full lug work, beatiful paint jobs and most importantly great
geometry. The slacker angles, and perfect rake clearly put their bikes
on top of the heap and worth the extra money.

now about that double top tube.luckily I'm about GP's size and
would fit the 54 Hunqa so I don't have to worry about it.

Mikey
SoCal

On Feb 10, 7:01 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
 I'd be into a Rivendell with disc brakes. (Would it cause dangerous freedom 
 to change wheel size on a whim?)

 I've admired Co-Motion's versatile models (like the Pangea) that have disc 
 brake options.

 -Jim



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 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
  I can see that, not wanting canti studs there if they're not being
  used

  Okay, maybe a non-Rivish thought, but, since the Hunqa could be
  considered a 29er, what about using disc brakes?   (Have to admit, I
  know little about 'em, seems like it just complicates things more than
  they need to be, but, if it'd function well.)

 you'd need the mounts for disc brakes and I can't really see a
 rivendell with disc brakes it seems wrong.

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
The Salsa bikes tend to be nicely finished, paint-wise, and the Fargos
and Vaya prototype I've seen were no exceptions. Of course, you may or
may not like the color, but the Salsa paint is well-done. Having
worked on and sold both Salsa and Rawland bikes, I wouldn't say one is
definitively nicer than the other in terms of construction and
finish. Obviously, they look different, which may or may not be of
importance when one is choosing to buy one of these or a Hunq, etc.



On Feb 10, 9:41 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 Looked at the new Salsa... straight fork, no lugs, not a very nice
 paint job... I see why it's much cheaper to make and buy.
 The other competitor is the Rawland Drakkar... beautiful fork crown
 and curves, some nice frame features and takes discs for those who
 want them... much nicer than the Salsa's.
 But neither compare to the Rivendells.. they have everything ... nice
 forks, full lug work, beatiful paint jobs and most importantly great
 geometry. The slacker angles, and perfect rake clearly put their bikes
 on top of the heap and worth the extra money.

 now about that double top tube.luckily I'm about GP's size and
 would fit the 54 Hunqa so I don't have to worry about it.

 Mikey
 SoCal

 On Feb 10, 7:01 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:



  I'd be into a Rivendell with disc brakes. (Would it cause dangerous freedom 
  to change wheel size on a whim?)

  I've admired Co-Motion's versatile models (like the Pangea) that have disc 
  brake options.

  -Jim

  -Original Message-
  From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com
  Sent: Feb 10, 2010 9:35 AM
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

  On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
   I can see that, not wanting canti studs there if they're not being
   used

   Okay, maybe a non-Rivish thought, but, since the Hunqa could be
   considered a 29er, what about using disc brakes?   (Have to admit, I
   know little about 'em, seems like it just complicates things more than
   they need to be, but, if it'd function well.)

  you'd need the mounts for disc brakes and I can't really see a
  rivendell with disc brakes it seems wrong.

  -sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread William
So anyone who has an Atlantis doesn't really need a Hunq unless they
like the idea of going to 700C.

What about a current Hillborne owner (like me)?  It seems there is
even less reason to get a Hunq.  If I need a more rugged bike than my
Sam, I should go Bomba, it seems.  The differences between the Hunq
and the Hillborne seem very subtle.  You can go to a 60.  It looks
classier.  It fits in the sizing gaps.  It's heavier and more
expensive.

On Feb 9, 11:40 am, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:
 I guess I'm confused. Why cover the same ( or so nearly the same that
 the differences become meaningless) territory with three different
 models (Atlantis, Bombadil, Hunqapillar)?

 Also, why a second top tube at all? I understand that a second tube
 would make a very (Very) large frame more stable. But, beyond that,
 what's the utility in a second top tube? Has anyone here ever heard of
 a rash of properly assembled bicycle frames, ridden in conditions they
 are meant for (i.e. stouter tubing for touring or mountain bikes makes
 sense) break because a second to tube wasn't employed?

 I'm open to enlightenment - nirvana even. ;-)

 Ron

 On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

  I like how, similar to the Bomba and Atlantis, this bike covers the
  outer edges of all rounder territory: heavy duty touring,
  singletrack, and robust commuting.  A winner, for sure.

  Esteban
  San Diego, Calif

  On Feb 8, 8:42 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

   yes, 2.2 knobbies if you please... a real dirt machine and with  40mm
   Schwalbes a killer touring rig!  Even in Elephant color!

   another home run for RBW.

   Mikey
   SoCal

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/10/10 6:18 AM, Leslie at leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay, maybe a non-Rivish thought, but, since the Hunqa could be
 considered a 29er, what about using disc brakes?   (Have to admit, I
 know little about 'em, seems like it just complicates things more than
 they need to be, but, if it'd function well.)

One of the things you have to do with full disc brakes is to beef up the
fork to handle some very different and specific stresses.  I don't think
I've seen any viable disc-specific forks which aren't pretty industrial.

On the other end, whenever I see a gorgeous frame with all all the necessary
dangly bits for a disc on the left rear dropout, it just undoes it for me.

There is a great deal of info about disc brakes out there, including front
wheel ejection issues, how it changes wheelbuilding requirements and the
applications in which is makes some sense.

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread Dustin Sharp
Doug Van Cleve has a great disk fork by Tony Pereira with a nice double
crown and non-industrial looking curve to it:

http://www.serotta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42545highlight=pereira

(sorry, you need to be a forum member to see the pic).


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 Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:48:37 -0800
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer
 
 on 2/10/10 6:18 AM, Leslie at leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Okay, maybe a non-Rivish thought, but, since the Hunqa could be
 considered a 29er, what about using disc brakes?   (Have to admit, I
 know little about 'em, seems like it just complicates things more than
 they need to be, but, if it'd function well.)
 
 One of the things you have to do with full disc brakes is to beef up the
 fork to handle some very different and specific stresses.  I don't think
 I've seen any viable disc-specific forks which aren't pretty industrial.
 
 On the other end, whenever I see a gorgeous frame with all all the necessary
 dangly bits for a disc on the left rear dropout, it just undoes it for me.
 
 There is a great deal of info about disc brakes out there, including front
 wheel ejection issues, how it changes wheelbuilding requirements and the
 applications in which is makes some sense.
 
 - Jim
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/10/10 10:57 AM, Dustin Sharp at dsh...@runbox.com wrote:

 Doug Van Cleve has a great disk fork by Tony Pereira with a nice double
 crown and non-industrial looking curve to it:
 
 http://www.serotta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42545highlight=pereira
 
Actually, there's a link to the flickr set:

http://tinyurl.com/tony-disc-fixed

Those are some pretty beefy tubes he's using for the fork, but, Tony
_nailed_ it!  Another feather in that man's cap.

- Jim 

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread doug peterson
The braking loads feed into the frame at different places using discs
than rim brakes.  That would have to be considered in the fork and
rear triangle design.  OTH, discs have it over rim brakes in wet
conditions.  Friends have disc braked REI Safaris and have been
impressed with their performance, especially with a load.  Probably
not on Riv's things to do list, though.

dougP

On Feb 10, 6:18 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can see that, not wanting canti studs there if they're not being
 used

 Okay, maybe a non-Rivish thought, but, since the Hunqa could be
 considered a 29er, what about using disc brakes?   (Have to admit, I
 know little about 'em, seems like it just complicates things more than
 they need to be, but, if it'd function well.)

 On Feb 9, 1:03 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:



  on 2/9/10 9:54 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

   On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
   But doesn't the Sam have the bridge in place for calipers anyway?
   Can't you have a bike set up for a caliper, but also for cantis, too?

   I like the cantis on my old Nishiki MTB, I have no objection to them,
   thought the idea of the canti-Rom was a great idea when I heard about
   it (I'm new to the Riv arena, they'd come and gone before I was
   here... so, I'm learnin' all the time).

   I think a bike with canti studs on it that is not using them looks a
   bit awkward. that's all.

  Agreed. You can remove the post so that you end up with the boss only.  But,
  it does create a bit of a warty spot on the seatstay and fork.

  - J

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RE: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-10 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
But the idea is spot on.  I'm pretty sure I'm getting an Atlantis soon, so to 
push myself along the decision-making process I made a donation today! 

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly 20-40 kids get a new smile, 
 too.


hmm - the above should be 8-12 not 20-40. Sorry.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Marty
A while back I mentioned that a 62cm version of the New Atlantis
would be just right for me. With this announcement, I sent Riv a
thumbs up, (tusks up?) and reserved a beast, so I guess I'll find out
for real July-ish.

Marty

On Feb 9, 12:35 am, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 16:46, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/190

 Hunqapillar looks great! I'm glad it's the color of elephant.

 James Black
 Los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Leslie
Awesome!

I was wanting to learn more about it.   I particularly liked that
color scheme on that Bomba, that's a great choice.

Looking at the sizing, I think the 58 would be cutting it far too
close, the 54 would be what I would need for a Hunqa, as opposed to a
56 for a Bomba.

A Hunqa would be a bit less, but, I was interested in the 650B size
(not yet committed, but, interested).  I also like the idea of a
second top-tube; a 56 Bomba would have one, the 54 Hunqa
doesn't.

Kudos on the early-adopter savings, I'm all for saving a bit.  But, in
this case, it may serve me better to hold off, then ante up the
difference for a Bomba later on

Unless.
At one time, wasn't there talk of adding a second top-tube to the
larger Sam Hillborne sizes?   Of course, that'd end up back into a
700C wheel size...  Has the Hunqa replaced that idea?   I liked that
orange on the Sam

-L


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 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/190

 Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Awesome!

 I was wanting to learn more about it.   I particularly liked that
 color scheme on that Bomba, that's a great choice.

 Looking at the sizing, I think the 58 would be cutting it far too
 close, the 54 would be what I would need for a Hunqa, as opposed to a
 56 for a Bomba.

 A Hunqa would be a bit less, but, I was interested in the 650B size
 (not yet committed, but, interested).  I also like the idea of a
 second top-tube; a 56 Bomba would have one, the 54 Hunqa
 doesn't.

 Kudos on the early-adopter savings, I'm all for saving a bit.  But, in
 this case, it may serve me better to hold off, then ante up the
 difference for a Bomba later on

 Unless.
 At one time, wasn't there talk of adding a second top-tube to the
 larger Sam Hillborne sizes?   Of course, that'd end up back into a
 700C wheel size...  Has the Hunqa replaced that idea?   I liked that
 orange on the Sam


If what I read at hiawatha cyclery's blog is right then it sounds like
the new sams will be long-reach calipers, not cantis/v-brakes that it
has been and orange.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Mike
 If what I read at hiawatha cyclery's blog is right then it sounds like
 the new sams will be long-reach calipers, not cantis/v-brakes that it
 has been and orange.

 -sv

I read that to and think it's a good idea. I know some folks are going
to grumble but the Silver brakes work great and are so simple to set-
up. The Silvers seem more appropriate given the SH seems more of a
country bike than a touring or adventure bike. The Hunka seems great,
like a Rivish Fargo although really the Fargo is more Rivsh than
Salsish if you know what I mean. The Hunka would very nicely round out
my Riv stable which has gotta bit out of hand lately with the
acquisition of a QB. Perhaps I'll let go the Rambouillet and pick-up a
Hunka at some point.

--mike (who is wondering if this thread will now digress into yet
another discussion on the merits and pitfalls of cantis and caliper
brakes)

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Michael_S
I won't go there on the merits of canti's vrs calipers. I bought my
Sam H to use mostly for mixed terrain rides including singletrack and
am running 70x40 Smart Sams which are smallish knobbys so the canti's
are my preference.  And that Orange... it's beautiful.

 If this was going to be my only bike... a caliper braked roadish tire
Sam would be great. If that is what really does happen. Perhaps each
batch could rotate between the two different brakes?

Mikey
So Cal

On Feb 9, 7:17 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
  If what I read at hiawatha cyclery's blog is right then it sounds like
  the new sams will be long-reach calipers, not cantis/v-brakes that it
  has been and orange.

  -sv

 I read that to and think it's a good idea. I know some folks are going
 to grumble but the Silver brakes work great and are so simple to set-
 up. The Silvers seem more appropriate given the SH seems more of a
 country bike than a touring or adventure bike. The Hunka seems great,
 like a Rivish Fargo although really the Fargo is more Rivsh than
 Salsish if you know what I mean. The Hunka would very nicely round out
 my Riv stable which has gotta bit out of hand lately with the
 acquisition of a QB. Perhaps I'll let go the Rambouillet and pick-up a
 Hunka at some point.

 --mike (who is wondering if this thread will now digress into yet
 another discussion on the merits and pitfalls of cantis and caliper
 brakes)

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread jpp
This bike looks good.  It will be a great rough stuff bike. I really
like the paint scheme.

I like the idea of the sam using the silvers and cantis on the hunqa.
Will help make them offer something different from each other..

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Ray Shine
I'm following this thread with great interest. I like too have as many bikes as 
the next fella, but correct me if I have this wrong… The new Hunka (sp?) is 
billed as a cross between the Sam and the Bomba.  So, following that logic -- 
and the What Model? Flow Chart on the Riv site -- if one already owns an 
Atlantis, there's little justification for also buying a Hunka.  Or, am I 
missing something?





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Subject: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

This bike looks good.  It will be a great rough stuff bike. I really
like the paint scheme.

I like the idea of the sam using the silvers and cantis on the hunqa.
Will help make them offer something different from each other..

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 I'm following this thread with great interest. I like too have as many bikes
 as the next fella, but correct me if I have this wrong… The new Hunka (sp?)
 is billed as a cross between the Sam and the Bomba.  So, following that
 logic -- and the What Model? Flow Chart on the Riv site -- if one already
 owns an Atlantis, there's little justification for also buying a Hunka.  Or,
 am I missing something?


If you own an atlantis there is little justification for owning any
other bike, except for liking and wanting to ride other bikes. The
Atlantis can do everything, imo.

Now, Liking and wanting to ride/own other bikes is all the
justification you need. That's it.

You like it, you want it, you have the money - go get it.

If you want to feel good about it- buy the bike by donating to smiletrain.

You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly 20-40 kids get a new smile, too.

smiles all around.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly 20-40 kids get a new smile, 
 too.


hmm - the above should be 8-12 not 20-40. Sorry.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Marty
For those that may live near Walnut Creek, or happen to visit HQ in
the next few months, (I may be there in June myself if all this DC
area snow is gone by then) please take photos of any Hunqapillars you
may see grazing around, and upload them here:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1358...@n23/

And once you have tamed and corralled one of your own, keep the photos
coming.

Marty

ps: Agree with Seth on the donation thing - I made a modest one myself
yesterday in anticipation of the future frame.


On Feb 9, 11:18 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
  You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly 20-40 kids get a new smile, 
  too.

 hmm - the above should be 8-12 not 20-40. Sorry.

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread EricP
This new model really piques the interest.  Seriously (and I mean
actual, really, serious) thinking of selling my Atlantis to facilitate
a Hunqa.  Plus, could move up a couple of sizes.  (Atlantis 56.  New
Hunqa would be 58.)

A couple of years ago 700x60 tires weren't around.  Hence my
Atlantis.  But with this, it gets very, very tempting.  Might even be
tempted to go skinny and ride Marathon Supreme 700x50.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Feb 9, 10:17 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  I'm following this thread with great interest. I like too have as many bikes
  as the next fella, but correct me if I have this wrong… The new Hunka (sp?)
  is billed as a cross between the Sam and the Bomba.  So, following that
  logic -- and the What Model? Flow Chart on the Riv site -- if one already
  owns an Atlantis, there's little justification for also buying a Hunka.  Or,
  am I missing something?

 If you own an atlantis there is little justification for owning any
 other bike, except for liking and wanting to ride other bikes. The
 Atlantis can do everything, imo.

 Now, Liking and wanting to ride/own other bikes is all the
 justification you need. That's it.

 You like it, you want it, you have the money - go get it.

 If you want to feel good about it- buy the bike by donating to smiletrain.

 You get a smile b/c of the new bike and roughly 20-40 kids get a new smile, 
 too.

 smiles all around.

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Leslie
But doesn't the Sam have the bridge in place for calipers anyway?
Can't you have a bike set up for a caliper, but also for cantis, too?

I like the cantis on my old Nishiki MTB, I have no objection to them,
thought the idea of the canti-Rom was a great idea when I heard about
it (I'm new to the Riv arena, they'd come and gone before I was
here... so, I'm learnin' all the time).



On Feb 9, 9:12 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
  Awesome!

  I was wanting to learn more about it.   I particularly liked that
  color scheme on that Bomba, that's a great choice.

  Looking at the sizing, I think the 58 would be cutting it far too
  close, the 54 would be what I would need for a Hunqa, as opposed to a
  56 for a Bomba.

  A Hunqa would be a bit less, but, I was interested in the 650B size
  (not yet committed, but, interested).  I also like the idea of a
  second top-tube; a 56 Bomba would have one, the 54 Hunqa
  doesn't.

  Kudos on the early-adopter savings, I'm all for saving a bit.  But, in
  this case, it may serve me better to hold off, then ante up the
  difference for a Bomba later on

  Unless.
  At one time, wasn't there talk of adding a second top-tube to the
  larger Sam Hillborne sizes?   Of course, that'd end up back into a
  700C wheel size...  Has the Hunqa replaced that idea?   I liked that
  orange on the Sam

 If what I read at hiawatha cyclery's blog is right then it sounds like
 the new sams will be long-reach calipers, not cantis/v-brakes that it
 has been and orange.

 -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 But doesn't the Sam have the bridge in place for calipers anyway?
 Can't you have a bike set up for a caliper, but also for cantis, too?

 I like the cantis on my old Nishiki MTB, I have no objection to them,
 thought the idea of the canti-Rom was a great idea when I heard about
 it (I'm new to the Riv arena, they'd come and gone before I was
 here... so, I'm learnin' all the time).



I think a bike with canti studs on it that is not using them looks a
bit awkward. that's all.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/9/10 9:54 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 But doesn't the Sam have the bridge in place for calipers anyway?
 Can't you have a bike set up for a caliper, but also for cantis, too?
 
 I like the cantis on my old Nishiki MTB, I have no objection to them,
 thought the idea of the canti-Rom was a great idea when I heard about
 it (I'm new to the Riv arena, they'd come and gone before I was
 here... so, I'm learnin' all the time).
 
 
 
 I think a bike with canti studs on it that is not using them looks a
 bit awkward. that's all.

Agreed. You can remove the post so that you end up with the boss only.  But,
it does create a bit of a warty spot on the seatstay and fork.

- J

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Ron MH
I guess I'm confused. Why cover the same ( or so nearly the same that
the differences become meaningless) territory with three different
models (Atlantis, Bombadil, Hunqapillar)?

Also, why a second top tube at all? I understand that a second tube
would make a very (Very) large frame more stable. But, beyond that,
what's the utility in a second top tube? Has anyone here ever heard of
a rash of properly assembled bicycle frames, ridden in conditions they
are meant for (i.e. stouter tubing for touring or mountain bikes makes
sense) break because a second to tube wasn't employed?

I'm open to enlightenment - nirvana even. ;-)

Ron

On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like how, similar to the Bomba and Atlantis, this bike covers the
 outer edges of all rounder territory: heavy duty touring,
 singletrack, and robust commuting.  A winner, for sure.

 Esteban
 San Diego, Calif

 On Feb 8, 8:42 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:



  yes, 2.2 knobbies if you please... a real dirt machine and with  40mm
  Schwalbes a killer touring rig!  Even in Elephant color!

  another home run for RBW.

  Mikey
  SoCal

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread newenglandbike
I think the second top-tube makes more sense when you think about it
in the context of the 'expanded' geometry.Because the top-tube
rises the way it does, the headtube for a given size is 5-6cm taller
than it would be otherwise.So for a 62cm frame, you're looking at
an equivalent headtube length to that of a 67-68cm horizontal-tt
frame.

Also many properly assembled single-tt frames, ridden in the manner in
which they were intended, have met their demise-  by accident.  I
mean, how many bent forks and buckled down/top tubes have you seen?
They are usually the result of crashes, which happen all the time when
a bike is being ridden in the manner in which it is intended (i.e.
rider is human).  There's tons of graveyard bikes out there with just
those symptoms.

I like the two top-tubes, but then again i'm partial because i love my
bombadil.   And as far as overlapping functionality with the the
Atlantis and Bombadil, the differences are outlined in the flyer.
Plus there's a difference in price.   Personally, I think it's great
that Rivendell is adding to their touring/offroad line-up.Last
year they added the Roadeo, which as far as I know has the lightweight
category pretty well sewn-up.



On Feb 9, 2:40 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:
 I guess I'm confused. Why cover the same ( or so nearly the same that
 the differences become meaningless) territory with three different
 models (Atlantis, Bombadil, Hunqapillar)?

 Also, why a second top tube at all? I understand that a second tube
 would make a very (Very) large frame more stable. But, beyond that,
 what's the utility in a second top tube? Has anyone here ever heard of
 a rash of properly assembled bicycle frames, ridden in conditions they
 are meant for (i.e. stouter tubing for touring or mountain bikes makes
 sense) break because a second to tube wasn't employed?

 I'm open to enlightenment - nirvana even. ;-)

 Ron

 On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

  I like how, similar to the Bomba and Atlantis, this bike covers the
  outer edges of all rounder territory: heavy duty touring,
  singletrack, and robust commuting.  A winner, for sure.

  Esteban
  San Diego, Calif

  On Feb 8, 8:42 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

   yes, 2.2 knobbies if you please... a real dirt machine and with  40mm
   Schwalbes a killer touring rig!  Even in Elephant color!

   another home run for RBW.

   Mikey
   SoCal

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Jeremy Till
Hunqapiller splits the difference functionally between Atlantis and
Bombadil and is significantly cheaper.  Just like Sam H. splits the
difference between A. Homer Hilsen and Atlantis at a signficantly
lower price point than both.

On Feb 9, 11:40 am, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:
 I guess I'm confused. Why cover the same ( or so nearly the same that
 the differences become meaningless) territory with three different
 models (Atlantis, Bombadil, Hunqapillar)?

 Also, why a second top tube at all? I understand that a second tube
 would make a very (Very) large frame more stable. But, beyond that,
 what's the utility in a second top tube? Has anyone here ever heard of
 a rash of properly assembled bicycle frames, ridden in conditions they
 are meant for (i.e. stouter tubing for touring or mountain bikes makes
 sense) break because a second to tube wasn't employed?

 I'm open to enlightenment - nirvana even. ;-)

 Ron

 On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

  I like how, similar to the Bomba and Atlantis, this bike covers the
  outer edges of all rounder territory: heavy duty touring,
  singletrack, and robust commuting.  A winner, for sure.

  Esteban
  San Diego, Calif

  On Feb 8, 8:42 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

   yes, 2.2 knobbies if you please... a real dirt machine and with  40mm
   Schwalbes a killer touring rig!  Even in Elephant color!

   another home run for RBW.

   Mikey
   SoCal

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread RoadieRyan
I am wondering if Riv will create a deciding between the Bomba and
Hunqa document like they did for the Sam and Homer.  At first blush I
am not sure why I would choose one over the other unless I really
wanted 650bs (Bomba) instead of 700c (Hunaq) but functionally they
seem to be the same- maybe I am missing something?

Not that it matters much I will be trying to decide between a Sam and
a AMOS at some point.  Any way you go I am sure you'd come up with
bike you would love.

R

On Feb 9, 12:21 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think the second top-tube makes more sense when you think about it
 in the context of the 'expanded' geometry.    Because the top-tube
 rises the way it does, the headtube for a given size is 5-6cm taller
 than it would be otherwise.    So for a 62cm frame, you're looking at
 an equivalent headtube length to that of a 67-68cm horizontal-tt
 frame.

 Also many properly assembled single-tt frames, ridden in the manner in
 which they were intended, have met their demise-  by accident.      I
 mean, how many bent forks and buckled down/top tubes have you seen?
 They are usually the result of crashes, which happen all the time when
 a bike is being ridden in the manner in which it is intended (i.e.
 rider is human).  There's tons of graveyard bikes out there with just
 those symptoms.

 I like the two top-tubes, but then again i'm partial because i love my
 bombadil.   And as far as overlapping functionality with the the
 Atlantis and Bombadil, the differences are outlined in the flyer.
 Plus there's a difference in price.   Personally, I think it's great
 that Rivendell is adding to their touring/offroad line-up.    Last
 year they added the Roadeo, which as far as I know has the lightweight
 category pretty well sewn-up.

 On Feb 9, 2:40 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:



  I guess I'm confused. Why cover the same ( or so nearly the same that
  the differences become meaningless) territory with three different
  models (Atlantis, Bombadil, Hunqapillar)?

  Also, why a second top tube at all? I understand that a second tube
  would make a very (Very) large frame more stable. But, beyond that,
  what's the utility in a second top tube? Has anyone here ever heard of
  a rash of properly assembled bicycle frames, ridden in conditions they
  are meant for (i.e. stouter tubing for touring or mountain bikes makes
  sense) break because a second to tube wasn't employed?

  I'm open to enlightenment - nirvana even. ;-)

  Ron

  On Feb 8, 9:04 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

   I like how, similar to the Bomba and Atlantis, this bike covers the
   outer edges of all rounder territory: heavy duty touring,
   singletrack, and robust commuting.  A winner, for sure.

   Esteban
   San Diego, Calif

   On Feb 8, 8:42 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

yes, 2.2 knobbies if you please... a real dirt machine and with  40mm
Schwalbes a killer touring rig!  Even in Elephant color!

another home run for RBW.

Mikey
SoCal- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread Mike
Be sure to checkout Salsa's new Vaya model. Kinda like version of a SH/
AHH, although a little more tour-wothy.

On Feb 9, 2:50 pm, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote:
 I really like the Hunq and I am in the market for an all road/off road
 capable bike.  I would get one of the sizes without the double top tube so
 that is not an issue.  My guess is that I will ultimately end up with the
 Salsa Fargo instead of the Hunq as I can't currently justify spending $1400
 or $1500 on a frame (The rumor is that this year there will be a Fargo with
 a less expensive LX part spec for around $1500 for the complete bike).

 Dan Abelson
 St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-09 Thread JoelMatthews
 Don McClung is one of the only builders I have seen who does beautiful
 double top tube bikes:

I am partial to the Retrotec take on double top tubes:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4317194725/sizes/l/

Arguably triple as the top tube is split.  If Curtis ever gets it in
the mail, I will shoot some pics for current classics.

Mike Flanigan of AntBike does some nice double curving top tubes as
well, but not so often any more.

On topic, Riv consistently has some of the nicest bending forks among
current makes whether manufactured or custom.  I like the curved riv
forks better on the Hilsen or the Riv mixtes myself, but to each their
own.

On Feb 9, 4:52 pm, Dustin Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote:
 Very few double top tubes have ever worked for me aesthetically.

 Now, maybe it¹s just because it¹s a big frame or something, but the big
 Bombadil in the Hunqa flyer is just awkward looking. Something about the
 sloping toptube, double toptube and jacked up stem. I guess that one really
 deserves the name hunqapillar because it¹s a big shambling beast of a bike.

 Don McClung is one of the only builders I have seen who does beautiful
 double top tube bikes:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/awalker/10829494/

 Anyway, love the Hunqa name and functionality, but not sold on the looks of
 the big ones. Also not sold on the need for a double top tube.  That's OK
 though as I already own an overweight, overbuilt all-rounder touring rough
 stuff machine.

 Dustin



  From: Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com
  Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:39:55 -0600
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

  If I were at all in a position to get a new bike this year it would
  almost certainly be a Hunq. The only thing that gives me any pause
  about it is the double top tube. I have no problem at all with it
  aesthetically, but I'd ride it as a trail/gravel bike an I know i'd
  periodically need to carry the bike for a log bridge or stair climb or
  something. It doesn't seem easily shoulderable with the extra frame
  tube there.

  Bill Connell
  St. Paul, MN

  On Tuesday, February 9, 2010, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
  This new model really piques the interest.  Seriously (and I mean
  actual, really, serious) thinking of selling my Atlantis to facilitate
  a Hunqa.  Plus, could move up a couple of sizes.  (Atlantis 56.  New
  Hunqa would be 58.)

  A couple of years ago 700x60 tires weren't around.  Hence my
  Atlantis.  But with this, it gets very, very tempting.  Might even be
  tempted to go skinny and ride Marathon Supreme 700x50.

  Eric Platt
  St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-08 Thread SJB
It looks like its name.

On Feb 8, 5:46 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/190

 Cheers,

 John RBW
 Ulan Bator Branch Office

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-08 Thread Mike
I sure hope they do a t-shirt with that graphic on it. This frame
sounds like a winner.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-08 Thread amoll68
I like it a LOT! Good job Grant and RBW.

Alex Moll
north of Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-08 Thread cyclotourist
A man, now I have consider this one!!!  Actually, it seems like it hits
the sweet spot between the Atlantis  Bomba that sounds just right.  A 58cm
would give me 2cm of stand over with 60mm tires.Not huge, but possibly
enough!  :-)


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 I like it a LOT! Good job Grant and RBW.

 Alex Moll
 north of Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-08 Thread Michael_S
yes, 2.2 knobbies if you please... a real dirt machine and with  40mm
Schwalbes a killer touring rig!  Even in Elephant color!


another home run for RBW.

Mikey
SoCal

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[RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-08 Thread Esteban
I like how, similar to the Bomba and Atlantis, this bike covers the
outer edges of all rounder territory: heavy duty touring,
singletrack, and robust commuting.  A winner, for sure.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif

On Feb 8, 8:42 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 yes, 2.2 knobbies if you please... a real dirt machine and with  40mm
 Schwalbes a killer touring rig!  Even in Elephant color!

 another home run for RBW.

 Mikey
 SoCal

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Re: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

2010-02-08 Thread James Warren

Yeah. I love how the company has expanded with new road-oriented models 
(hopefully the Soma-collab will happen hitch-free) and new fat-tire models.

-Jim W.




-Original Message-
From: Esteban proto...@gmail.com
Sent: Feb 9, 2010 12:04 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: A virtual sales brochure, and special offer

I like how, similar to the Bomba and Atlantis, this bike covers the
outer edges of all rounder territory: heavy duty touring,
singletrack, and robust commuting.  A winner, for sure.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif

On Feb 8, 8:42 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 yes, 2.2 knobbies if you please... a real dirt machine and with  40mm
 Schwalbes a killer touring rig!  Even in Elephant color!

 another home run for RBW.

 Mikey
 SoCal

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