[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-12-01 Thread ascpgh 

That's a good find.

I find aesthetic displeasure with that era of the Shimano MTB hubs. 
"Parallax" was a design cue taken from the boutique part makers that were 
becoming the dreams and bucket list items of cyclists instead of Shimano's 
upper 
end parts. Their design language took from the greater simplicity of those, 
their more linear appearance and wider bearing stance. By doing so Shimano 
departed from aesthetically pleasing lines like these 
.
 
Rough example, but same design era as the grail era XTR hubs lots of rando 
folks still seek.

Those black plastic cone seals of the Parallax hubs confused some folks. 
They were fixed at the axle and rotate at their wide skirt interface with 
an O-ring in a groove in the end of the hub body. I think it was 
engineering to a design to get the wider bearing stance rather than the 
best engineering providing shelter for those bearings. BITD we saw a few of 
them that didn't cipher to owners who thought were broken then did it for 
real, tearing up the fixture for holding the small end at the axle. If not 
intact, they left the wider stance ball bearings, race, cone and grease 
were pretty much out in the daylight. They were first available as the 
pricey axle and hardware assembly, certainly parts that if not intact now 
should give pause to any effort to build one into a wheel. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:32:19 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Earlier in the thread I recommended vintage Deore XT rear hubs, and the OP 
> bought one of mine from me.  I stumbled upon an ebay seller offering 
> vintage 32 hole Deore XT front hubs at the super low price of $18 shipped 
> (m737, skewer included).  Front hubs never blow up, but dang that's a great 
> price.  I'd pay $15 for the skewer on its own!  Front hubs also make cool 
> fidget tchotchkes for your desk, or maybe you want to try wheelbuilding and 
> need a hub.  I bought three of them.  
>
> Here's the ebay site:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/393148158087
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Whenever I'm looking for a good, reliable and affordable 135mm OLD rear 
>> hub I still think there are not a lot of better choices than Japanese made 
>> Deore XT.  Here's a nice used hubset for $75:  
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/353771592695?hash=item525e6e1bf7:g:vlkAAOSw9URhk2vJ
>>
>> If you prefer to have NIB or NOS, then you likely will pay more.  I 
>> believe I have an NIB M750 rear hub.  Let me know if you want me to look 
>> for it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:18:28 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
>>> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
>>> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
>>> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
>>> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-30 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Earlier in the thread I recommended vintage Deore XT rear hubs, and the OP 
bought one of mine from me.  I stumbled upon an ebay seller offering 
vintage 32 hole Deore XT front hubs at the super low price of $18 shipped 
(m737, skewer included).  Front hubs never blow up, but dang that's a great 
price.  I'd pay $15 for the skewer on its own!  Front hubs also make cool 
fidget tchotchkes for your desk, or maybe you want to try wheelbuilding and 
need a hub.  I bought three of them.  

Here's the ebay site:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/393148158087

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Whenever I'm looking for a good, reliable and affordable 135mm OLD rear 
> hub I still think there are not a lot of better choices than Japanese made 
> Deore XT.  Here's a nice used hubset for $75:  
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/353771592695?hash=item525e6e1bf7:g:vlkAAOSw9URhk2vJ
>
> If you prefer to have NIB or NOS, then you likely will pay more.  I 
> believe I have an NIB M750 rear hub.  Let me know if you want me to look 
> for it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:18:28 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
>> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
>> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
>> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
>> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-29 Thread James Whorton 
Sean, thanks for the tip.  I may try this next time.  For now, a helpful
member of this group has come to my aid with a vintage Deore hub.

I've said it before, but I'll repeat: I really enjoy the free education I
get from this list.  And the bike pictures.

Jim in Rochester

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 12:37 PM 'Sean, PNW' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> It's not so hard to strip a black T610 hub to the bare shell, remove the
> anodizing w/Easy Off HD oven cleaner, wet sand it with 400>800>1500 grit
> paper, polish it with some Simichrome on a buffing wheel, before rebuilding
> it with fresh grease.
>
> *The one important tip is to really tighten the 10mm allen bolt holding
> the freehub body to the hub once the wheel is fully built, using the laced
> rim for the leverage needed to apply the requisite force.*
>
> The whole process took maybe an hour on the T610 hub I used for a dynamo
> commuter wheelset I built about 2 years ago; their low price point, near
> silent freehub, durable construction, and rebuildable design make them hard
> to beat for said application.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Check out Will's new Platypus on the Riv News Blog: black rear hub,
>> silver SON front. It's the cool thing now!
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:34:11 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I am looking for 135 OLD this time.  But Andy  I am thinking on the
>>> same lines as you,  with a silver SON dyno hub for the front wheel.  Black
>>> and silver, they’re both good…..I appreciate very much all I’ve learned on
>>> this forum.  It’s like bicycle college for someone like me.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
  For clarity sake Andy the Classico is a 130mm hub and the Deore/Silver
 are 135mm and Jim needs a 135mm hub.

 On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

>
> I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20.
> My polished silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider
> myself a victim of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was
> definitely a consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and
> construction. Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without
> particular ranking.
>
> I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than
> a Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far 
> so
> good. Suzue Classico 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a
>> rear hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in
>> color, and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on 
>> the
>> Riv site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  
>> Coasting
>> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody 
>> have
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-29 Thread 'Sean, PNW' via RBW Owners Bunch 
It's not so hard to strip a black T610 hub to the bare shell, remove the 
anodizing w/Easy Off HD oven cleaner, wet sand it with 400>800>1500 grit 
paper, polish it with some Simichrome on a buffing wheel, before rebuilding 
it with fresh grease. 

*The one important tip is to really tighten the 10mm allen bolt holding the 
freehub body to the hub once the wheel is fully built, using the laced rim 
for the leverage needed to apply the requisite force.*

The whole process took maybe an hour on the T610 hub I used for a dynamo 
commuter wheelset I built about 2 years ago; their low price point, near 
silent freehub, durable construction, and rebuildable design make them hard 
to beat for said application.


On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:49:28 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Check out Will's new Platypus on the Riv News Blog: black rear hub, silver 
> SON front. It's the cool thing now! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:34:11 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am looking for 135 OLD this time.  But Andy  I am thinking on the 
>> same lines as you,  with a silver SON dyno hub for the front wheel.  Black 
>> and silver, they’re both good…..I appreciate very much all I’ve learned on 
>> this forum.  It’s like bicycle college for someone like me.  
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>  For clarity sake Andy the Classico is a 130mm hub and the Deore/Silver 
>>> are 135mm and Jim needs a 135mm hub. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>>

 I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20. 
 My polished silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider 
 myself a victim of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was 
 definitely a consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and 
 construction. Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without 
 particular ranking. 

 I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than a 
 Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far so 
 good. Suzue Classico 

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh
 On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a 
> rear hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in 
> color, and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on 
> the 
> Riv site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  
> Coasting 
> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody 
> have 
> suggestions?
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-28 Thread rltilley 
My Hubbuhubbuh is set up like that as well. Not for any aesthetic reason but 
due to the fact that Velocity doesn’t make 40 hole rear hubs in silver. Peter 
White recommended that hub for our use case so I went with it despite most of 
the bike having silver components. 

The wheels are far enough apart that it isn’t really noticeable.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Nov 27, 2021, at 3:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Check out Will's new Platypus on the Riv News Blog: black rear hub, silver 
> SON front. It's the cool thing now! 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:34:11 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>> Yes, I am looking for 135 OLD this time.  But Andy  I am thinking on the 
>> same lines as you,  with a silver SON dyno hub for the front wheel.  Black 
>> and silver, they’re both good…..I appreciate very much all I’ve learned on 
>> this forum.  It’s like bicycle college for someone like me.  
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>  For clarity sake Andy the Classico is a 130mm hub and the Deore/Silver are 
>>> 135mm and Jim needs a 135mm hub. 
>>> 
 On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
 
 I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20. My 
 polished silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider myself 
 a victim of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was 
 definitely a consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and 
 construction. Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without 
 particular ranking. 
 
 I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than a 
 Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far so 
 good. Suzue Classico
 
 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in 
> color, and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on 
> the Riv site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  
> Coasting silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  
> Anybody have suggestions?
> 
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
> 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-28 Thread Jim Whorton 
Yes, the mixed colors do look cool on Will's bike.  The panda pedals make 
it clear that the mixing of silver and black was no accident in this case.

Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 6:49:28 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Check out Will's new Platypus on the Riv News Blog: black rear hub, silver 
> SON front. It's the cool thing now! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:34:11 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am looking for 135 OLD this time.  But Andy  I am thinking on the 
>> same lines as you,  with a silver SON dyno hub for the front wheel.  Black 
>> and silver, they’re both good…..I appreciate very much all I’ve learned on 
>> this forum.  It’s like bicycle college for someone like me.  
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>  For clarity sake Andy the Classico is a 130mm hub and the Deore/Silver 
>>> are 135mm and Jim needs a 135mm hub. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>>

 I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20. 
 My polished silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider 
 myself a victim of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was 
 definitely a consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and 
 construction. Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without 
 particular ranking. 

 I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than a 
 Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far so 
 good. Suzue Classico 

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh
 On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a 
> rear hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in 
> color, and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on 
> the 
> Riv site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  
> Coasting 
> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody 
> have 
> suggestions?
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>


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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-26 Thread Jim Whorton 
Yes, I am looking for 135 OLD this time.  But Andy  I am thinking on the 
same lines as you,  with a silver SON dyno hub for the front wheel.  Black 
and silver, they’re both good…..I appreciate very much all I’ve learned on 
this forum.  It’s like bicycle college for someone like me.  

Jim

On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>  For clarity sake Andy the Classico is a 130mm hub and the Deore/Silver 
> are 135mm and Jim needs a 135mm hub. 
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>>
>> I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20. 
>> My polished silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider 
>> myself a victim of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was 
>> definitely a consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and 
>> construction. Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without 
>> particular ranking. 
>>
>> I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than a 
>> Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far so 
>> good. Suzue Classico 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
>>> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
>>> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
>>> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
>>> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-26 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Whenever I'm looking for a good, reliable and affordable 135mm OLD rear hub 
I still think there are not a lot of better choices than Japanese made 
Deore XT.  Here's a nice used hubset for 
$75:  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/353771592695?hash=item525e6e1bf7:g:vlkAAOSw9URhk2vJ

If you prefer to have NIB or NOS, then you likely will pay more.  I believe 
I have an NIB M750 rear hub.  Let me know if you want me to look for it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:18:28 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
> suggestions?
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-26 Thread Garth 
 For clarity sake Andy the Classico is a 130mm hub and the Deore/Silver are 
135mm and Jim needs a 135mm hub. 

On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

>
> I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20. 
> My polished silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider 
> myself a victim of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was 
> definitely a consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and 
> construction. Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without 
> particular ranking. 
>
> I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than a 
> Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far so 
> good. Suzue Classico 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
>> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
>> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
>> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
>> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-26 Thread ascpgh 

I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20. My polished 
silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider myself a victim 
of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was definitely a 
consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and construction. 
Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without particular 
ranking. 

I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than a 
Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far so 
good. Suzue Classico 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
> suggestions?
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-26 Thread Jim Whorton 

Laing, thank you—that’s a nice offer but I am looking for a 32 hole.  And 
thanks Garth for the mechanical explanation of the  noise levels.  I’m 
still pretty new to wheel building and I’m going to go super slowly through 
this one and learn all I can.  

Jim
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 10:43:30 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I have a Deore T610 and two Silver hubs, none of which have been built up, 
> yet. The Deore is definitely quieter than the Silvers, but I would not 
> really call the Silvers loud. The Deore T610 is new, unused, silver, 36 
> hole, 135mm with a black skewer. I am willing to sell the Deore for $45 
> shipped CONUS if you are interested. Note that the Deore silver is a 
> slightly darker silver than the Silvers, but still silver.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
>> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
>> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
>> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
>> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-26 Thread lconley 
I have a Deore T610 and two Silver hubs, none of which have been built up, 
yet. The Deore is definitely quieter than the Silvers, but I would not 
really call the Silvers loud. The Deore T610 is new, unused, silver, 36 
hole, 135mm with a black skewer. I am willing to sell the Deore for $45 
shipped CONUS if you are interested. Note that the Deore silver is a 
slightly darker silver than the Silvers, but still silver.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
> suggestions?
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

2021-11-26 Thread Garth 
The Silver hubs in the video could really use a Deore T610 in the same 
video for a comparison as by itself it doesn't help much !  A spinning 
wheel would also help as spinning in hand isn't a good depiction of a 
spinning wheel. While I've had silver hubs my entire life up until recently 
I had some Deore hubs built in black with black Rhyno Lite rims, with 
silver spokes and nipples. Frankly I rather like the black glossy finish on 
them as the silver Deore finish isn't exactly nice looking anyways. 

What I can't do either is noise. The Deore is about as loud as a freewheel, 
and that's because their design IS basically a threaded, sealed 
self-contained freewheel unit that's screwed inside hub shell.  On the 
noisy hubs they put the pawls in the hub shell and the ratchets in the 
cassette body. Such a design acts as a hub body amplifier for the large 
pawls they put in them. They may claim the noise means high-er quality, 
that's just sales speak used to justify, deflect, gloss over the fact that 
they are loud. Seeing the the Silver hubs are that design, they're not 
going to be quiet like a Deore design. 

Onyz hubs are no noise at all, but $470 is too much for me to put into one 
single component of one single wheel. 

So Jim you have to ask yourself if having a black hub is such a big deal or 
not, and frankly whose big deal ? Do I really feel that way or is that 
something I heard and bought into along the way and adopted as important to 
me ?  Question everything, it's the only way to get to the heart of the 
matter, any and every matter. 


On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
> suggestions?
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>

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