Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Joe Bernard
I love the arc and I really hope the frame happens. I also hope we get more 
info eventually, we've been trying to decipher one diagram offered with no 
explanation of what it is for a couple months now. I need information!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Garth


 While the Boots has a swoop it wouldn't form a perfect circle like the arc 
of the Anniv. image. The curved TT of the Low Clem is more 
functional/utilitarian looking to me, not really elegant at all. Not that 
it's super important, it's just I couldn't help but notice the beautiful 
perfect arc just glancing at it. I find a certain elegance in it for sure, 
intended or not. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Johnny Alien
The top tube on the Gus is higher up that that. It's like a swoopy H style 
not a true step through style like in the diagram.  That diagram is showing 
the top mixte view and the side mixte view.

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 2:38:58 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> But friends, I thought the swooped top tube shown is the Gus bike and the 
> twin tubes floating above are for the Anniversary Mixte. I thought it was 
> both bikes pictured in a single diagram . If not, then the AM definitely 
> has swoopy twin top tubes...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 10, 2019, at 11:27 AM, REC (Roberta)  > wrote:
>
> This is the same pic I just posted and delete, but the name is correct 
> now.   
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm referring to the side profile Leah, the downward swoop of the top 
>> tubes from the top of the head tube to mid seatstay ! The twin parallel 
>> downward swooping tubes continue unbroken the whole way from head tube to 
>> seatstay. I call it elegant as the line is a smooth arc rather than 
>> separate tubes from HT to ST and ST to SS adjoined @ST with a lug.  If I 
>> knew of a way to color the side perspective I'd color the swoop red and I 
>> could continue it virtually in the form of a perfect circle !  Imagine it's 
>> a thin crescent of the moon !
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 9:46:35 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am curious how anyone can look at the twin top tubes and see “swoopy.” 
>>> I want them to be, because I agree with Cinza - I want my mixte to be a 
>>> step through. I have believed they will be swoopy, trusting the 
>>> interpretation of others, but the twin tubes appear straight to my 
>>> untrained eye. Garth, are you saying you see twin top tubes being swoopy? 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Leah Peterson
But friends, I thought the swooped top tube shown is the Gus bike and the twin 
tubes floating above are for the Anniversary Mixte. I thought it was both bikes 
pictured in a single diagram . If not, then the AM definitely has swoopy twin 
top tubes...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2019, at 11:27 AM, REC (Roberta)  wrote:
> 
> This is the same pic I just posted and delete, but the name is correct now.   
> 
>> On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>I'm referring to the side profile Leah, the downward swoop of the top 
>> tubes from the top of the head tube to mid seatstay ! The twin parallel 
>> downward swooping tubes continue unbroken the whole way from head tube to 
>> seatstay. I call it elegant as the line is a smooth arc rather than separate 
>> tubes from HT to ST and ST to SS adjoined @ST with a lug.  If I knew of a 
>> way to color the side perspective I'd color the swoop red and I could 
>> continue it virtually in the form of a perfect circle !  Imagine it's a thin 
>> crescent of the moon !
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 9:46:35 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> I am curious how anyone can look at the twin top tubes and see “swoopy.” I 
>>> want them to be, because I agree with Cinza - I want my mixte to be a step 
>>> through. I have believed they will be swoopy, trusting the interpretation 
>>> of others, but the twin tubes appear straight to my untrained eye. Garth, 
>>> are you saying you see twin top tubes being swoopy? 
>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread REC (Roberta)
This is the same pic I just posted and delete, but the name is correct 
now.   

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
>I'm referring to the side profile Leah, the downward swoop of the top 
> tubes from the top of the head tube to mid seatstay ! The twin parallel 
> downward swooping tubes continue unbroken the whole way from head tube to 
> seatstay. I call it elegant as the line is a smooth arc rather than 
> separate tubes from HT to ST and ST to SS adjoined @ST with a lug.  If I 
> knew of a way to color the side perspective I'd color the swoop red and I 
> could continue it virtually in the form of a perfect circle !  Imagine it's 
> a thin crescent of the moon !
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 9:46:35 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am curious how anyone can look at the twin top tubes and see “swoopy.” 
>> I want them to be, because I agree with Cinza - I want my mixte to be a 
>> step through. I have believed they will be swoopy, trusting the 
>> interpretation of others, but the twin tubes appear straight to my 
>> untrained eye. Garth, are you saying you see twin top tubes being swoopy? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread REC (Roberta)


On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
>I'm referring to the side profile Leah, the downward swoop of the top 
> tubes from the top of the head tube to mid seatstay ! The twin parallel 
> downward swooping tubes continue unbroken the whole way from head tube to 
> seatstay. I call it elegant as the line is a smooth arc rather than 
> separate tubes from HT to ST and ST to SS adjoined @ST with a lug.  If I 
> knew of a way to color the side perspective I'd color the swoop red and I 
> could continue it virtually in the form of a perfect circle !  Imagine it's 
> a thin crescent of the moon !
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 9:46:35 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am curious how anyone can look at the twin top tubes and see “swoopy.” 
>> I want them to be, because I agree with Cinza - I want my mixte to be a 
>> step through. I have believed they will be swoopy, trusting the 
>> interpretation of others, but the twin tubes appear straight to my 
>> untrained eye. Garth, are you saying you see twin top tubes being swoopy? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Garth


   I'm referring to the side profile Leah, the downward swoop of the top 
tubes from the top of the head tube to mid seatstay ! The twin parallel 
downward swooping tubes continue unbroken the whole way from head tube to 
seatstay. I call it elegant as the line is a smooth arc rather than 
separate tubes from HT to ST and ST to SS adjoined @ST with a lug.  If I 
knew of a way to color the side perspective I'd color the swoop red and I 
could continue it virtually in the form of a perfect circle !  Imagine it's 
a thin crescent of the moon !




On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 9:46:35 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I am curious how anyone can look at the twin top tubes and see “swoopy.” I 
> want them to be, because I agree with Cinza - I want my mixte to be a step 
> through. I have believed they will be swoopy, trusting the interpretation 
> of others, but the twin tubes appear straight to my untrained eye. Garth, 
> are you saying you see twin top tubes being swoopy? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Leah Peterson
OH MY GOSH, Mark, I read Gus as “Grant” and thought you were saying something 
totally different. I read this when my eyes first cracked open and I read it 
WRONG. 

I am so sorry. 

Disregard!
Leah

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> On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:14 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I do remember this now, thank you. Nothing about extra swoopy. And 
> "special" lugs, not necessarily fancy--that's because of the ovalized 
> flattish tubing. A total of 100, so, unlike Clem and Chev, likely to be a 
> full-priced model, if not more. My sense, with the Gus Boots and its 
> variations coming down the pike, and the expense of fabrication a bike 
> requiring new lugs and tubes to make 100 would require, is the number seven 
> scenario is most likely:
> 
> 7. Alternatively, we'd do something less radical, not call it an anniversary 
> model, and have it be an ongoing model.
> 
> But you can always hope! I'm just hoping Gus and his offshoots are here by 
> the fall.
> 
>> On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 2:00:49 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> Here. He discusses his dreams for the bike near the end of this post...
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/2019-3
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Leah Peterson
Cinza, who are you asking?

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> On Jun 10, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Cinza  wrote:
> 
> If you were blind to the Betty beauty, you would enjoy riding the Clementine 
> more?
> 
>> On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>> I have and LOVE my Betty..
>> But I am considering a Clem.
>> I commute around town.
>> 
>> What I love about Betty (besides being a beauty) is the ride. 
>> I wonder if anyone has both and can discuss the difference in ride and fit 
>> between the two rides.
>> 
>> The reason I am thinking of Clem is the easier step over/through. Other than 
>> this I have no reason to change frames.
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts on the difference in terms of riding experience (vs 
>> frame details).
>> 
>> Cinza
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Cinza
If you were blind to the Betty beauty, you would enjoy riding the 
Clementine more?

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>
> I have and LOVE my Betty..
> But I am considering a Clem.
> I commute around town.
>
> What I love about Betty (besides being a beauty) is the ride. 
> I wonder if anyone has both and can discuss the difference in ride and fit 
> between the two rides.
>
> The reason I am thinking of Clem is the easier step over/through. Other 
> than this I have no reason to change frames.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts on the difference in terms of riding experience 
> (vs frame details).
>
> Cinza
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Cinza
Closing their doors?  Would be tragic, every time my BF is complimented for 
being beautiful, i reply it rides as beautiful than it looks

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>
> I have and LOVE my Betty..
> But I am considering a Clem.
> I commute around town.
>
> What I love about Betty (besides being a beauty) is the ride. 
> I wonder if anyone has both and can discuss the difference in ride and fit 
> between the two rides.
>
> The reason I am thinking of Clem is the easier step over/through. Other 
> than this I have no reason to change frames.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts on the difference in terms of riding experience 
> (vs frame details).
>
> Cinza
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
I am curious how anyone can look at the twin top tubes and see “swoopy.” I want 
them to be, because I agree with Cinza - I want my mixte to be a step through. 
I have believed they will be swoopy, trusting the interpretation of others, but 
the twin tubes appear straight to my untrained eye. Garth, are you saying you 
see twin top tubes being swoopy?

Yes, Mark, special lugs doesn’t mean fancy, but I dare to hope because it’s an 
anniversary model! Curious what you mean about hoping Grant and Co will be here 
in the fall. I know business has been hard of late, but do you really think 
they could close their doors by fall? 

If that’s so, Cinza, get in line for a Clementine. You too, Mark, I know you 
miss your tuxedo Clementine. I can barely let myself imagine life with no RBW; 
let’s hope for the best.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread 'C.Wilson' via RBW Owners Bunch
Thank you.
Was this the last heard of the bike, or has anything else been said?



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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Garth



Here is the photo from the blahg of the so-called anniversary frame . The 
elegant swoop is unique to any other Riv. design, as you'd expect a Anniv. 
Special frame to be.  Neither like or unlike a Low Clem or Mixte !   
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/articles/F25for_blahg_grande.png  
   (The google formatting for posting images here is awful !) 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
Yes, I do remember this now, thank you. Nothing about extra swoopy. And 
"special" lugs, not necessarily fancy--that's because of the ovalized 
flattish tubing. A total of 100, so, unlike Clem and Chev, likely to be a 
full-priced model, if not more. My sense, with the Gus Boots and its 
variations coming down the pike, and the expense of fabrication a bike 
requiring new lugs and tubes to make 100 would require, is the number seven 
scenario is most likely:

*7. Alternatively, we'd do something less radical, not call it an 
anniversary model, and have it be an ongoing model.*

But you can always hope! I'm just hoping Gus and his offshoots are here by 
the fall.

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>
> Here. He discusses his dreams for the bike near the end of this post...
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/2019-3
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-10 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Here. He discusses his dreams for the bike near the end of this post...

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/2019-3

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread Joe Bernard
He definitely said something about flattish tubes which would be hard to put 
decals on. I'm not sure about fancy lugs (maybe he said it to you?) but I 
imagine an anniversary Riv would have them. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread Leah Peterson
And Grant had said it might have the name Rivendell and am I dreaming it or did 
he also say he was thinking about fancy lugs for it?

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> This is correct, the mixte or step-through or whatever-the-heck it's called 
> on the Blahg was a very low, swoopy design. Much more Clemy than Chevy.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread Joe Bernard
This is correct, the mixte or step-through or whatever-the-heck it's called on 
the Blahg was a very low, swoopy design. Much more Clemy than Chevy.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread ted
Something about bird in hand vs birds in bush.
A nth year anniversary bike is as yet a bit mythical, and though I hope it 
comes to pass It might not. 
A Clem L can be pre ordered today and possessed before the summer is out, and 
it’s properties are known (as opposed to being speculative at best).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Don’t give up on the Anniversary Mixte yet. I can’t read diagrams for love nor 
money, but a couple of folks on the List here looked at those drawings and said 
they saw the twin top tubes as being very low and swoopy. Not unlike the 
Clementine. Where are those folks? Chime in here!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread 'C.Wilson' via RBW Owners Bunch
Thank you, this is an encouraging post… and yes, I agree, the mixte is not the 
answer for my concern.

> On Jun 9, 2019, at 7:31 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> A mixte anniversary design (and I've only heard it mentioned here, not in any 
> official Rivendell communications-- I guess I missed it) will not address the 
> issue you are having with your Betty Foy in terms of its step throughness. I 
> on my Clementine for over a year, and have ridden a friend's Cheviot. The 
> Clem L is a great bike. Even with the so-so stock tires it rode well, as 
> aptly described by Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!. You really can't go wrong if you 
> are intending to use it as a town go getter with some zip. It will also do so 
> much more. Lugs are nice, but the lines of the Clem, with the swooping top 
> tube, and the lovely paint and clean welds and nice fork crown, are 
> beautiful, too.
> 
> On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:23:40 PM UTC-4, Cinza wrote:
> Yes, I would only have one bike. 
> I did not know the fat tires make for a feeling of speed, I was concerned the 
> tires would make the ride feel heavier.
> 
> You've made me curious about the  Anniversary Mixte", I didn't know there was 
> another bike to look forward to.
> I'll look to find out more on the Mixte.. 
> Step through is the only reason I'd change my bike.  
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Anyone care to post on the Mixtie... I will be happy to read.
> 
> Cinza
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
> I have and LOVE my Betty..
> But I am considering a Clem.
> I commute around town.
> 
> What I love about Betty (besides being a beauty) is the ride. 
> I wonder if anyone has both and can discuss the difference in ride and fit 
> between the two rides.
> 
> The reason I am thinking of Clem is the easier step over/through. Other than 
> this I have no reason to change frames.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts on the difference in terms of riding experience (vs 
> frame details).
> 
> Cinza
> 
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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
A mixte anniversary design (and I've only heard it mentioned here, not in 
any official Rivendell communications-- I guess I missed it) will not 
address the issue you are having with your Betty Foy in terms of its step 
throughness. I on my Clementine for over a year, and have ridden a friend's 
Cheviot. The Clem L is a great bike. Even with the so-so stock tires it 
rode well, as aptly described by Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!. You really can't 
go wrong if you are intending to use it as a town go getter with some zip. 
It will also do so much more. Lugs are nice, but the lines of the Clem, 
with the swooping top tube, and the lovely paint and clean welds and nice 
fork crown, are beautiful, too.

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:23:40 PM UTC-4, Cinza wrote:
>
> Yes, I would only have one bike. 
> I did not know the fat tires make for a feeling of speed, I was concerned 
> the tires would make the ride feel heavier.
>
> You've made me curious about the  Anniversary Mixte", I didn't know there 
> was another bike to look forward to.
> I'll look to find out more on the Mixte.. 
> Step through is the only reason I'd change my bike.  
> Thank you very much.
>
> Anyone care to post on the Mixtie... I will be happy to read.
>
> Cinza
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>>
>> I have and LOVE my Betty..
>> But I am considering a Clem.
>> I commute around town.
>>
>> What I love about Betty (besides being a beauty) is the ride. 
>> I wonder if anyone has both and can discuss the difference in ride and 
>> fit between the two rides.
>>
>> The reason I am thinking of Clem is the easier step over/through. Other 
>> than this I have no reason to change frames.
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts on the difference in terms of riding experience 
>> (vs frame details).
>>
>> Cinza
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread Leah Peterson
If you’re gonna use my name, at least get it right! 

Leah Belle Shama Lama Ding Dong

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> On Jun 9, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> Btw, "Leah Belle Dingaling" is supposed to be a term of endearment, we're 
> friends. In retrospect I'm not sure dingaling was the charming word I was 
> looking for. Sorry, Leah! 
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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread Joe Bernard
Btw, "Leah Belle Dingaling" is supposed to be a term of endearment, we're 
friends. In retrospect I'm not sure dingaling was the charming word I was 
looking for. Sorry, Leah! 

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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

2019-06-09 Thread Cinza
Yes, I would only have one bike. 
I did not know the fat tires make for a feeling of speed, I was concerned 
the tires would make the ride feel heavier.

You've made me curious about the  Anniversary Mixte", I didn't know there 
was another bike to look forward to.
I'll look to find out more on the Mixte.. 
Step through is the only reason I'd change my bike.  
Thank you very much.

Anyone care to post on the Mixtie... I will be happy to read.

Cinza



On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>
> I have and LOVE my Betty..
> But I am considering a Clem.
> I commute around town.
>
> What I love about Betty (besides being a beauty) is the ride. 
> I wonder if anyone has both and can discuss the difference in ride and fit 
> between the two rides.
>
> The reason I am thinking of Clem is the easier step over/through. Other 
> than this I have no reason to change frames.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts on the difference in terms of riding experience 
> (vs frame details).
>
> Cinza
>
>

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