Re: [RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-09-05 Thread Marc Nolte
The one and only one thing I don't like about my Riv Wilbury is my inability to ride no-hands. I chalk it up to the mixte design. I've got fenders, small rack and a 'half-loafer with tools and spares up front ( prolly less than 3kg). I've found it become more stable as I added weight to the

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-09-02 Thread RonaTD
On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 2:56:19 PM UTC-5, Antone Könst wrote: > My new (to me) Cheviot is very hard to control with no hands on a flat road > with no load. …. And I replied: > Mine, too. My explanation is that the very high wheel flop requires a large > amount of correction, and it's

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-31 Thread Davey Two Shoes
The steering on the clem is very light without load. It likes a little weight over the front. On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:38:47 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote: > > This is interesting, and a bit surprising. We stopped at Rivendell a > while back & my wife test rode a Clementine. She found it to be

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-29 Thread dougP
This is interesting, and a bit surprising. We stopped at Rivendell a while back & my wife test rode a Clementine. She found it to be "twitchy" compared to her Atlantis. Same designer, and both are standard Riv builds. The mystery of handling continues. dougP On Monday, May 29, 2017 at

Re: [RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-29 Thread Patrick Moore
OTOH, I can ride no hands on my Matthews with a (Jim G's calculator) flop factor of 19, with no problem; as easily as on my Rivendell Roads. The bike that's hard to ride no hands is my Dahon Hon Solo, which I hear tell is a very low trail (= low flop?) design. I think other reasons are involved.

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-29 Thread RonaTD
On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 2:56:19 PM UTC-5, Antone Könst wrote: >  My new (to me) Cheviot is very hard to control with no hands on a flat road > with no load.  ….   Mine, too. My explanation is that the very high wheel flop requires a large amount of correction, and it's hard to apply that

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-28 Thread Dave Johnston
My Heron Touring is wonderfully stable and yet appropriately responsive for a "country bike", however about a decade ago I put on a small "clamp on the bars type" handlebar bag and it got shimmy coasting no hands down a gentle slope at about 20mph while trying to zip up a jacket. I took the

Re: [RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Was the initial question about shimmy, or about straight line stability? As Antone says, there is a big difference. I've owned bikes that just felt "darty" -- they didn't want to track straight, and the slightest body adjustment or sidewind would send them swerving. *And*, this could happen on a

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-28 Thread Antone Könst
But there is basic stability, as opposed to the speed wobble kind of shimmying...my old Nishiki I'd ride through NYC with no hands for miles, besides lights, but through intersections and down hills, even loaded. My new (to me) Cheviot is very hard to control with no hands on a flat road with

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-28 Thread Bruce K Jamison
It sounds like shimmy is the more popular term, and yes, it went away as soon as I got back into a good riding position. But it was a first for this bike and I was surprised more than anything. I'm sure I've ridden like that before, maybe this time I over did it, or maybe being tired meant

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-24 Thread RonaTD
On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 5:08:02 PM UTC-5, christian poppell wrote: > > > Experienced shimmy for the first time ever going 17ish mph downhill with > my hands off the bars (64cm Orange Quickbeam). Had a small amount of stuff > in a saddle bag and a down sleeping bag strapped to my bars. >

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-24 Thread dougP
Here's a thought that I need to embrace: " Here’s what I think, not what I know:" The older I get, the less I know. dougP On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 7:31:35 AM UTC-7, Spencer Hawkes wrote: > > A (maybe) helpful article. > >

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-24 Thread christian poppell
Experienced shimmy for the first time ever going 17ish mph downhill with my hands off the bars (64cm Orange Quickbeam). Had a small amount of stuff in a saddle bag and a down sleeping bag strapped to my bars. The fix was to put my hands on the bars and keep going. Cheap and effective. On

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-24 Thread Spencer Hawkes
A (maybe) helpful article. https://www.rivbike.com/pages/shimmy-shimmy-coco-bop-shimmy-shimmy-bop -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-23 Thread ted
Well claiming "won't ever" may be going too far, but my Gios has never even hinted at shimmy and I have ridden it no hands and bolt upright or leaning back to stretch many many times. That said, its handling is very very quick (great crit bike). If your balance and smooth spin aren't good you

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-23 Thread Nash Taylor
Sounds like the way you were riding it. Does a bike exist that won't ever shimmy when someone rides no handed and leaning back? On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:42:46 PM UTC-7, Bruce K Jamison wrote: > > My SOMA San Marcos 59cm has been a great bike. At the end of a long ride > where I was

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-23 Thread Ryan Fleming
When did it go away? After you stopped riding no hands? On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:42:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce K Jamison wrote: > > My SOMA San Marcos 59cm has been a great bike. At the end of a long ride > where I was admittedly tired and not riding in the best fashion (no hands, > leaning way

[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

2017-05-22 Thread dougP
Wobble (aka "shimmy") is a recurring topic, not only here but on other forums. I can get my Atlantis to wobble with the right set of conditions. After following this topic for years, I've come to the conclusion that some bikes wobble under some riders sometimes. Not everything is predictable