[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ron Mc]

If you have an upright that feels wrong, S84 seatpost will probably make it 
right.  

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[lconley]

Or one has a long torso and short legs. I am 6 feet tall and have a 83 PBH 
(legs from somebody who is 5'9", torso from somebody who is 6'3") and I am 
fat. On some bikes, even Rivendells with top tubes on the long side, 
sometimes I just need that little bit extra. Almost all of my saddles are 
Brooks, and they tend to have less adjustment range than most. Decades ago, 
I usually rode a frame that was "too large" for me with a really long stem 
- I have a 140 mm Cinelli stem on one of my bikes. I now have a couple of 
Nitto lugged seatposts - more comfortable than a long stem and less flex in 
the steering. Now that VO has ruined their two-bolt setback seatpost - 
Nitto is the only way to go.

Laing


On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 5:49:05 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

> Well yes, moving the saddle back just to get more reach means either the 
> bike doesn't fit properly and/or the bars/stem needs changing in some way. 
> There is a "sweet spot" for every bike and every rider, and there is no set 
> formula to find it and it's never the same for anyone else. I cannot even 
> tell you exactly what "it" is, only that it is, you just know it when it's 
> felt and it's yours to behold and share with that irrestible grin of a 
> child on your face ☺ 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Patrick Moore]

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Garth  wrote:

> Well yes, moving the saddle back just to get more reach means either the
> bike doesn't fit properly and/or the bars/stem needs changing in some way.


+1


> There is a "sweet spot" for every bike and every rider, and there is no
> set formula to find it and it's never the same for anyone else. I cannot
> even tell you exactly what "it" is, only that it is, you just know it when
> it's felt and it's yours to behold and share with that irrestible grin of a
> child on your face ☺
>

Well, but you can start with Peter Jon White's instructions on saddle
positioning, in his bike fitting article which I read 20 years ago and
which has been the most helpful advice on saddles that I've read. That and
10 years of riding the bike will probably give you a pretty good idea of
where the saddle ought to be. (For the excessively earnest, I'm *kidding* about
the "10 years" but it will take a while.)

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Garth]

Well yes, moving the saddle back just to get more reach means either the bike 
doesn't fit properly and/or the bars/stem needs changing in some way. There is 
a "sweet spot" for every bike and every rider, and there is no set formula to 
find it and it's never the same for anyone else. I cannot even tell you exactly 
what "it" is, only that it is, you just know it when it's felt and it's yours 
to behold and share with that irrestible grin of a child on your face ☺

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Jay Connolly]

Well, it's gone now, Bill. I was just emphasizing its purity by leaving it 
untouched. 

Jay

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Pray tell, Jay, why are you hiding the beauty of that stem behind the light 
reflecting bag? 

How about photos of the stem in raw, stark raving nakedness! 

Cheers,
Bill i nRoswell, GA

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 2:18:31 PM UTC-4, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I have a never-opened Nitto S84 lugged seatpost, 27.2 x 300mm long. $140 
> USD, shipped. 
>
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Les Lammers]

I seem to have the same issue with my Cheviot. I have some Albatross bars 
I'd like to use but a bar end shifter is stuck is one side and nothing I've 
tried so far will budge it. I may trim the bars a bit and see if that helps.


On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 2:26:35 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:

> Hi Tim...you make a good point about not shoving the saddle back   and  my 
> other Rivs are not in the least twitchy but this one with Chocos ,  to my 
> mind, is and this is after Mark tweaked it by swapping in a longer stem (12 
> or 13cm) and cutting off  14mm off the choc. bars. Riv graciously gave me 
> my choice of what I wanted to do. so I went with that option. One way or 
> the other, I'm still a few millimeters from Nirvana but I'm also thinking 
> that the configuration is just not what I'm  personally used to. I haven't 
> ridden an upright bike since I was 13 or 14. Totally fixable , though, I am 
> sure
>
>  BTW not using this forum to criticize Rivendell who could not have been 
> more accommodating and who built me  a  gorgeous bike.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Maybe this is a dumb suggestion, but couldn't one simulate cutting off 
>> the Choco bars by gripping them a bit further forward from the ends. I say 
>> this because I'm guessing that the "twitchiness" you both describe (a 
>> description I've never heard about any Riv) maybe is due to the increased 
>> leverage from gripping the very swept back Choco bars at the end (the 
>> natural place one would grab, of course.) It seems the swept back bars are, 
>> in essence, a lever, and the further away from the axis of rotation, the 
>> easier (twitchier?) it is to turn the wheels. If you notice less response 
>> when you move your hands in, then shorten the bars. I'm thinking that by 
>> moving the seat back, more weight goes to the rear wheel, thus the 
>> twitchiness could get worse. Full disclosure: I am about as far from an 
>> engineer or bike designer as I could be. In other words, my opinion and 4 
>> bucks will get you a latte, and nothing else.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Tim...you make a good point about not shoving the saddle back   and  my 
other Rivs are not in the least twitchy but this one with Chocos ,  to my 
mind, is and this is after Mark tweaked it by swapping in a longer stem (12 
or 13cm) and cutting off  14mm off the choc. bars. Riv graciously gave me 
my choice of what I wanted to do. so I went with that option. One way or 
the other, I'm still a few millimeters from Nirvana but I'm also thinking 
that the configuration is just not what I'm  personally used to. I haven't 
ridden an upright bike since I was 13 or 14. Totally fixable , though, I am 
sure

 BTW not using this forum to criticize Rivendell who could not have been 
more accommodating and who built me  a  gorgeous bike.

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Maybe this is a dumb suggestion, but couldn't one simulate cutting off the 
> Choco bars by gripping them a bit further forward from the ends. I say this 
> because I'm guessing that the "twitchiness" you both describe (a 
> description I've never heard about any Riv) maybe is due to the increased 
> leverage from gripping the very swept back Choco bars at the end (the 
> natural place one would grab, of course.) It seems the swept back bars are, 
> in essence, a lever, and the further away from the axis of rotation, the 
> easier (twitchier?) it is to turn the wheels. If you notice less response 
> when you move your hands in, then shorten the bars. I'm thinking that by 
> moving the seat back, more weight goes to the rear wheel, thus the 
> twitchiness could get worse. Full disclosure: I am about as far from an 
> engineer or bike designer as I could be. In other words, my opinion and 4 
> bucks will get you a latte, and nothing else.

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Jay Connolly]

Seatpost sold.

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Maybe this is a dumb suggestion, but couldn't one simulate cutting off the 
Choco bars by gripping them a bit further forward from the ends. I say this 
because I'm guessing that the "twitchiness" you both describe (a description 
I've never heard about any Riv) maybe is due to the increased leverage from 
gripping the very swept back Choco bars at the end (the natural place one would 
grab, of course.) It seems the swept back bars are, in essence, a lever, and 
the further away from the axis of rotation, the easier (twitchier?) it is to 
turn the wheels. If you notice less response when you move your hands in, then 
shorten the bars. I'm thinking that by moving the seat back, more weight goes 
to the rear wheel, thus the twitchiness could get worse. Full disclosure: I am 
about as far from an engineer or bike designer as I could be. In other words, 
my opinion and 4 bucks will get you a latte, and nothing else.

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Jay Connolly]

Lowering the price on this significantly to move it -- 115 USD (net to me), 
shipped.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Joe Bernard]

I just did a ride with another half-inch cut off the Boscos and it was much 
better: more room and less twitchy. Aside from needing more reach, I think I 
needed to be a little more over the front end..the wheel had a disconnected 
'too far in front of me' feel I didn't like. 

I'm not trying to talk you out of buying the lugged seatpost, but if you want 
to get to a hardware store and pick up a pipe cutter you can try taking another 
inch off your Chocos. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ryan Fleming]

and part of my problem I guess is that I am so used to moustache bars 
(which was my original idea) and I still ride drop bars  . I was thinking 
of the seatpost setback as another way to angle my torso more toward what 
I'm accustomed to...and with more  towards the 45 or so degrees I'm used 
to, I'll have my butt back a little and more weight on the bars. Maybe 
totally unscientific but I thought I'd explore that to get rid of the 
twitchiness that I notice...as I say that's where living close to RBWHQ 
would be a benefit :) aside from the nice folks in California.

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 3:00:29 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ryan, you may benefit from an Albatross if cutting another inch off the 
> Choco isn't something you want to mess with. I've done major chopping on 
> the Bosco on my Clem L and still could use a little more room, which the 
> Alba would give me. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan, you may benefit from an Albatross if cutting another inch off the Choco 
isn't something you want to mess with. I've done major chopping on the Bosco on 
my Clem L and still could use a little more room, which the Alba would give me. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ryan Fleming]

Thanks...that is good to know

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 1:52:22 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
> Yes, Nitto lugged seatpost has more setback than Nitto S83 which is ~ same 
> as Nitto Crystal Fellow. According to Riv website, it's ~40mm compared to 
> ~20mm compared to ~18mm, respectively. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 2:42:24 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if these lugged seatposts have more setback than the S-83 ones 
>> do. Anybody know?  Reason I ask is I wonder if my mixte position would 
>> benefit from scootching the saddle back a little .
>>
>> I'm using a Brooks Select on an S-83 and I'm finding that the Choco-Norms 
>> (which were chopped a bit by Riv) reach back more that I'd like and I find 
>> the handling a little twitchier than I'd like 
>>
>> On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 1:18:31 PM UTC-5, Jay Connolly wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a never-opened Nitto S84 lugged seatpost, 27.2 x 300mm long. $140 
>>> USD, shipped. 
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Ryan,
Yes, Nitto lugged seatpost has more setback than Nitto S83 which is ~ same 
as Nitto Crystal Fellow. According to Riv website, it's ~40mm compared to 
~20mm compared to ~18mm, respectively. 

Good luck!
shoji



On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 2:42:24 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I wonder if these lugged seatposts have more setback than the S-83 ones 
> do. Anybody know?  Reason I ask is I wonder if my mixte position would 
> benefit from scootching the saddle back a little .
>
> I'm using a Brooks Select on an S-83 and I'm finding that the Choco-Norms 
> (which were chopped a bit by Riv) reach back more that I'd like and I find 
> the handling a little twitchier than I'd like 
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 1:18:31 PM UTC-5, Jay Connolly wrote:
>>
>> I have a never-opened Nitto S84 lugged seatpost, 27.2 x 300mm long. $140 
>> USD, shipped. 
>>
>> Jay
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ryan Fleming]

I wonder if these lugged seatposts have more setback than the S-83 ones do. 
Anybody know?  Reason I ask is I wonder if my mixte position would benefit 
from scootching the saddle back a little .

I'm using a Brooks Select on an S-83 and I'm finding that the Choco-Norms 
(which were chopped a bit by Riv) reach back more that I'd like and I find 
the handling a little twitchier than I'd like 

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 1:18:31 PM UTC-5, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I have a never-opened Nitto S84 lugged seatpost, 27.2 x 300mm long. $140 
> USD, shipped. 
>
> Jay
>

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