[RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[Jock Dewey]

Allez, TJD!

That's a beautiful bike & a brute of a ride, not for the faint of heart. 

Hogpen Gap is genuine CAT 2 climb, steep and fearsome. Probably one of only 
2 or 3 steels on the roads that day and certainly no other fenders or 
frontloaders to be seen.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 1:03:37 PM UTC-5, Tyler Dewey wrote:
>
> I love my canti-Sam. I got it with the thought that I would use it as my 
> camping bike, but it is so comfortable--and fast enough for my needs--that 
> it has become my primary ride. I've taken it on back-to-back centuries 
> (Athens to Savannah: 220 miles in 2 days) and I did the North Georgia 6 Gap 
> century on it. That was 10K + of climbing over 104 miles. For me, it is the 
> perfect bike. Here's a photo of it at the top of Unicoi Gap where the road 
> crosses the Appalachian Trail.
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>>
>> I like it Tyler. Kudos to you for promoting safe cycling in Athens. Once 
>> the holidays are over I want to come over
>> and meet you and your dad.
>>
>> PS - Wishing my Sam had cantis! 
>>
>> Happy Holidays
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[RichS]

I like it Tyler. Kudos to you for promoting safe cycling in Athens. Once the 
holidays are over I want to come over
and meet you and your dad.

PS - Wishing my Sam had cantis! 

Happy Holidays
Rich in ATL

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[RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[George Rosselle]

Thanks Tyler! I sent a message via your website.



On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 12:43:27 PM UTC-5, Tyler Dewey wrote:
>
> George,
>
> Jock's son Tyler here (also a proud owner of one of the new 
> canti-Hillbornes). I am also the executive director of BikeAthens 
> , the local bike advocacy group.  Send us an email 
> thru our website, and I'de be happy to talk about the local trail / bike 
> lane systems.
>
> -Tyler
>
> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 8:39:53 AM UTC-5, George Rosselle wrote:
>>
>> I see a number of bike paths planned in the Athens area, and a few short 
>> ones already built. What I cannot find is the timeline for the completion 
>> of some of the paths. Have you heard anything?
>>
>> We are seriously thinking of moving to the area in a couple years, and I 
>> hope to find the right house near one of the paths. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 6:43:06 PM UTC-5, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>> ...all you folks like Josh Imler...who respect the working bicycle and 
>>> are happy to spend the $$$ to make really artful yet useful machines and 
>>> support all the good guys out there who make them.
>>>
>>> We live in a small town with great access, right out the front door, to 
>>> beautiful country backroads in all directions...but running errands and 
>>> such that makes proper use of 'working bikes' just isn't possible thanks to 
>>> no reasonably safe way to get to *those* kinds of places, i.e. the 
>>> local merchants. Weird, right? But true. Of course, as we know, life's all 
>>> about trade-offs. I'd love both but am plenty happy to settle for one.
>>>
>>> Bravo for building a Grant Petersen 'special' and pulling your Christmas 
>>> tree home on that beautiful bicycle.
>>>
>>> Happy Holidays / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[Tyler Dewey]

George,

Jock's son Tyler here (also a proud owner of one of the new 
canti-Hillbornes). I am also the executive director of BikeAthens 
, the local bike advocacy group.  Send us an email 
thru our website, and I'de be happy to talk about the local trail / bike 
lane systems.

-Tyler

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 8:39:53 AM UTC-5, George Rosselle wrote:
>
> I see a number of bike paths planned in the Athens area, and a few short 
> ones already built. What I cannot find is the timeline for the completion 
> of some of the paths. Have you heard anything?
>
> We are seriously thinking of moving to the area in a couple years, and I 
> hope to find the right house near one of the paths. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 6:43:06 PM UTC-5, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> ...all you folks like Josh Imler...who respect the working bicycle and 
>> are happy to spend the $$$ to make really artful yet useful machines and 
>> support all the good guys out there who make them.
>>
>> We live in a small town with great access, right out the front door, to 
>> beautiful country backroads in all directions...but running errands and 
>> such that makes proper use of 'working bikes' just isn't possible thanks to 
>> no reasonably safe way to get to *those* kinds of places, i.e. the local 
>> merchants. Weird, right? But true. Of course, as we know, life's all about 
>> trade-offs. I'd love both but am plenty happy to settle for one.
>>
>> Bravo for building a Grant Petersen 'special' and pulling your Christmas 
>> tree home on that beautiful bicycle.
>>
>> Happy Holidays / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[Patrick Moore]

I meant to say, *they* say the've designed the solution and are looking for
funding to construct it.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

>  they say they've gotten to looking for funding for design; we'll
> see).
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[Patrick Moore]

Good point. In fact, I'll have to double check for this for those boxes I
described, since the CABQ has been upgrading its cycling trail system over
the last 2 years or so -- tho' some of it is pretty half assed.

Odd, I live literally next door to our bosque, and I can get to dirt by
riding through our commons area (and defiantly and consistently and
rebelliously and unrepentantly a and determinedly leaving the blanking
gates unlocked -- gaps between bars are 3', so what's the blanking point?
Idiot HOA) and by a couple of other fun-ish routes. But to get to paved
streets, it's either Coors Boulevard, 6-lane 60 mph, tho' wide shoulders
and striped, or Montano, 4 narrow lanes and narrow bike lane and impossible
intersection to start with (have been after city for 13 months now to fix
it, and they say they've gotten to looking for funding for design; we'll
see). Once I ride 1-2 miles along these busy roads, I can get to the main
CABQ bike path, the Rio Grande paved trail which takes you to others and so
all over the city. But otherwise good cycling infrastructure is (here
anyway) often vitiated by penny-ante connections and intersections.

I once saw a young mother in cycling kit on a road bike pulling a child
trailer along Montano abreast of Renaissance Boulevard where it is 3 lanes
feeding to and from I-25, a loop that starts from this feeder and serves a
huge acreage of box stores with huge parking lots. I must say, while I
admired her determination, the route gives me pause, and just me alone, and
despite having commuted in ABQ urgan traffic for years.

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> Hey Patrick,
>
> It’s not always (or even often?) the case, but sometimes the big box
> stores have pedestrian access from the side/rear via sidewalk or trail. But
> the ones that do not are indeed a real challenge.
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Patrick,

It’s not always (or even often?) the case, but sometimes the big box stores 
have pedestrian access from the side/rear via sidewalk or trail. But the ones 
that do not are indeed a real challenge.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[Patrick Moore]

I find this generally true, but it's not quite as straightforward with some
of the Big Box stores, at least in my area, where these are clustered in
huge industrio/commercial areas surrounded by square miles of parking lots
and fed by 4 or 6 lane divided boulevards emptying directly into those
lots, said boulevards being major traffic arteries with traffic at 50 mph.
I have ridden to some of these, and seen others do so, but it ain't fun!
And I daresay it ain't safe, neither. Eg, Target just north of Coors/Paseo
Del Norte intersection; Costco off Eagle Ranch and the other one off
Renaissance. Even riding to the nearest Albertson's requires keen
attention, with all the cars impatient to dart out of various parking lots
spread out on both sides of the street along a crowded, insufficient access
road.

But I most usually do prefer to take a pleasant bike detour instead of
riding, walking, or certainly driving to the nearest store. We have a
Sprout's 2/3 mile south, but I prefer riding 5 to 10 miles (depending on
detours) to the Corrales one.

How stupid a car-centered infrastructure is! All the cost, land, energy,
time ugliness, and stress for what?

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:04 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Running errands by bike requires different route planning than by car.
> Once I figured this out, it’s been realitively simple to discover longer
> routes that are far more plesant and safe to bike and intersect with the
> main highway very little. The newish MUP helps tremendiously as well. That
> didn’t exist initially and meant I didn’t need to ride on the highway at
> all to get up the hill. But down the pass to Colorado Springs is a
> different story entirely. I no longer try to figure that out. Maybe once
> the planned MUP extensions happen, but as others have said, the timelines
> on those, even if stated, are unreliable.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/10/18 11:04 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Running errands by bike requires different route planning than by car. Once I 
figured this out, it’s been realitively simple to discover longer routes that 
are far more plesant and safe to bike and intersect with the main highway very 
little.



True for commuting as well.  There often will be low-traffic parallel 
routes through neighborhoods that stay away from the major collectors, 
mostly carrying local traffic only so far less traffic.  You may have 
stop signs at every corner, as is the case here in Alexandria VA, but 
commuting I'd rather be a little slower and a lot safer.  Commuting != 
training opportunity; in fact, trying to train while commuting is little 
more than a way to insure you're going to need a shower to get 
presentable when you do arrive at work, which will probably negate any 
time savings created by going fast.




  The newish MUP helps tremendiously as well. That didn’t exist initially and 
meant I didn’t need to ride on the highway at all to get up the hill. But down 
the pass to Colorado Springs is a different story entirely. I no longer try to 
figure that out. Maybe once the planned MUP extensions happen, but as others 
have said, the timelines on those, even if stated, are unreliable.


Isn't that just the truth!  Here in some places we're still waiting for 
the construction of trails that first appeared in the master 
transportation plans over 20 years ago.  Other trails & protected bike 
lanes seem to have sprung up out of nowhere, seemingly never having 
appeared in any planning documents ever before.  In still other cases, 
the extensions finally were built -- to great acclaim and heavy use -- 
only after decades of waiting.


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[RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Running errands by bike requires different route planning than by car. Once I 
figured this out, it’s been realitively simple to discover longer routes that 
are far more plesant and safe to bike and intersect with the main highway very 
little. The newish MUP helps tremendiously as well. That didn’t exist initially 
and meant I didn’t need to ride on the highway at all to get up the hill. But 
down the pass to Colorado Springs is a different story entirely. I no longer 
try to figure that out. Maybe once the planned MUP extensions happen, but as 
others have said, the timelines on those, even if stated, are unreliable.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[George Rosselle]

I see a number of bike paths planned in the Athens area, and a few short 
ones already built. What I cannot find is the timeline for the completion 
of some of the paths. Have you heard anything?

We are seriously thinking of moving to the area in a couple years, and I 
hope to find the right house near one of the paths. 



On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 6:43:06 PM UTC-5, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> ...all you folks like Josh Imler...who respect the working bicycle and are 
> happy to spend the $$$ to make really artful yet useful machines and 
> support all the good guys out there who make them.
>
> We live in a small town with great access, right out the front door, to 
> beautiful country backroads in all directions...but running errands and 
> such that makes proper use of 'working bikes' just isn't possible thanks to 
> no reasonably safe way to get to *those* kinds of places, i.e. the local 
> merchants. Weird, right? But true. Of course, as we know, life's all about 
> trade-offs. I'd love both but am plenty happy to settle for one.
>
> Bravo for building a Grant Petersen 'special' and pulling your Christmas 
> tree home on that beautiful bicycle.
>
> Happy Holidays / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mary at Chasing Mailboxes hosts the Errandonnee challenge in March, so keep an 
eye out for it, as well as how errands by bike might be doable via backroads, 
longer rides, etc. Most of my errands are 5 miles up the hill. But it is sad 
and amazing how urban development makes cycling unfriendly so many places, aye? 
Here’s my post from this years errandonnee...

https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonnee-2018

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Hats Off To...

[J Imler]

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 3:43:06 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
> ...all you folks like Josh Imler...who respect the working bicycle and are 
> happy to spend the $$$ to make really artful yet useful machines and support 
> all the good guys out there who make them.
> 
> 
> We live in a small town with great access, right out the front door, to 
> beautiful country backroads in all directions...but running errands and such 
> that makes proper use of 'working bikes' just isn't possible thanks to no 
> reasonably safe way to get to those kinds of places, i.e. the local 
> merchants. Weird, right? But true. Of course, as we know, life's all about 
> trade-offs. I'd love both but am plenty happy to settle for one.
> 
> 
> Bravo for building a Grant Petersen 'special' and pulling your Christmas tree 
> home on that beautiful bicycle.
> 
> 
> Happy Holidays / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
> 
> 
>  

Thanks, Jock. I was dreading the tree-getting until I realized I could go by 
bike. My wife's appreciation of bikes has risen since I'll happily jaunt off on 
errands to enjoy a ride. Gotta push myself to reach the local regional parks 
though. Maybe in 2019.

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