[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
Matt, There's condensation formation from transitioning from cold to warm temps, as you say, but I was thinking more about the rate of the oxidation reaction itself being temperature-dependent. Anton On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 12:37:54 AM UTC-5, hangtownmatt wrote: Anton, I believe the problem with bringing the bike indoors versus keeping in a garage or other non-insulated structure is that transitioning between warm and cold environments promotes condensation inside the frame. Matt On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 7:31:10 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: Exactly my feelings. Also, as I understand it, there is some additional debate regarding whether bringing your bike indoors to clean is better than just leaving it out in the cold all winter-- the idea being that rust is inhibited by cold temps. I don't know if this idea has any merit or not. But like KJ, I'm of the mind that it's just better to ride a beater that you don't care about for salt duty, and keep the 'bikes you love' for the three salt-free seasons. Anton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
JP Weigles frame prep for the steel. On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 6:33:04 PM UTC-8, lungimsam wrote: There is a 200k on March 5th I'd like to attempt. My only shot at training is during the next 5 weeks, and the roads here in Maryland are trashed with salt from the mild snows we have been getting, with more to come next week. Looks like no salt free roads for the next 10 days with the forecast showing sporadic snows three times a week or so until then. So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
I have been riding my Quickbeam all year round in coastal Massachusetts with road salt, and salt ocean spray since 2004. The bicycle is fendered, and shows some beausage Ted On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:33:04 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: There is a 200k on March 5th I'd like to attempt. My only shot at training is during the next 5 weeks, and the roads here in Maryland are trashed with salt from the mild snows we have been getting, with more to come next week. Looks like no salt free roads for the next 10 days with the forecast showing sporadic snows three times a week or so until then. So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
A front mudflap will help keep you and your drivetrain happier. My Heron Touring does fine in the salt and MgCL2 slush now that it has full-coverage fenders on it, and my integrated-design bicycles (full-coverage metal fenders; constant fender gap; front mudflap) do well indeed. I'd be more concerned with tire choice if it gets icy in your neck of the woods. If practicable, set the bike outside to adjust to temperature for a half-hour before riding. I suggest rinsing/washing the bike weekly just to keep the salt buildup down. Keep an eye on chain wear with an indicator. Pledge after a rinse/wipedown keeps the bike frame looking nice and isn't too much of a hassle to use. Wet lube (chainsaw bar oil is inexpensive, but this is a religious question) is better than dry in sloppy winter conditions in my experience, and throwing it around on the bike isn't necessarily a bad idea. Derailleur pivots, brake pivots, cable guide, chain. Wipe off excess before each ride. Steve Palinscar rides big mileage out your way, and the DC randonneurs are full of friendly and outgoing people riding year 'round. Enjoy riding, and I wouldn't sweat frame damage potential. All the Rivendells get framesavered before they're sent to you, and they're not superlight tubing. Best Regards, Will William M. deRosset Fort Collins, CO On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 7:33:04 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: There is a 200k on March 5th I'd like to attempt. My only shot at training is during the next 5 weeks, and the roads here in Maryland are trashed with salt from the mild snows we have been getting, with more to come next week. Looks like no salt free roads for the next 10 days with the forecast showing sporadic snows three times a week or so until then. So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
Exactly my feelings. Also, as I understand it, there is some additional debate regarding whether bringing your bike indoors to clean is better than just leaving it out in the cold all winter-- the idea being that rust is inhibited by cold temps. I don't know if this idea has any merit or not. But like KJ, I'm of the mind that it's just better to ride a beater that you don't care about for salt duty, and keep the 'bikes you love' for the three salt-free seasons. Anton On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 10:22:28 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: I dunno - my Cross Check is on it's 3rd winter here in Toronto and rust has developed on most of the parts and on some of the threaded braze-ons. I treat the frame internally with T9 each year but you can't coat the entire bike in rust inhibitor. I do agree that diligent washing and care makes a big difference, which is aided by having good and convenient facilities at home to do so. However, repeated freezing/thawing and application of water presents additional issues with seals and bearings. I would hesitate to ride a nice bike through the winter in an area that salts the roads heavily. It just eats bikes for breakfast. It gets to a point where you're just better off riding a cheap beater bike and sparing the ones you love. KJ On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:33:04 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
I garage my Riv during the salt months here in Iowa. And I noticed a fair amount of new rust on the Schwinn KOM I rode last winter (only 5 or 6 times; it was a brutally cold winter). That bike is currently getting repainted after some brazing and blasting. Now I ride my fat bike during the winter; that's its raison d'etre. Ergo, corrosion resistance factored into my purchase decision. I bought an aluminum-framed Fatboy instead of one of the steel Surly models. A fat bike is great on lousy surfaces. But it's also great for cold weather; it keeps me warm due to the extra pedal effort required. ;) Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: I dunno - my Cross Check is on it's 3rd winter here in Toronto and rust has developed on most of the parts and on some of the threaded braze-ons. I treat the frame internally with T9 each year but you can't coat the entire bike in rust inhibitor. I do agree that diligent washing and care makes a big difference, which is aided by having good and convenient facilities at home to do so. However, repeated freezing/thawing and application of water presents additional issues with seals and bearings. I would hesitate to ride a nice bike through the winter in an area that salts the roads heavily. It just eats bikes for breakfast. It gets to a point where you're just better off riding a cheap beater bike and sparing the ones you love. KJ On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:33:04 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
I dunno - my Cross Check is on it's 3rd winter here in Toronto and rust has developed on most of the parts and on some of the threaded braze-ons. I treat the frame internally with T9 each year but you can't coat the entire bike in rust inhibitor. I do agree that diligent washing and care makes a big difference, which is aided by having good and convenient facilities at home to do so. However, repeated freezing/thawing and application of water presents additional issues with seals and bearings. I would hesitate to ride a nice bike through the winter in an area that salts the roads heavily. It just eats bikes for breakfast. It gets to a point where you're just better off riding a cheap beater bike and sparing the ones you love. KJ On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:33:04 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
I am with Tim. I rode my Sam in the winter in vermont all the time. I don't think you'd be destroying your Riv to ride it for five weeks in the snow. Good luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
I'm riding my Hilsen for the third winter here in CT, and one KC winter before that. I love the ride of this bike and that's why I bought it, so why ride anything else? I sweat profusely and honestly think that is harder on the bike than winter. I tend to use up everything I own (including body parts, as my artificial knees and many other scars proves) so I just figure if riding in winter makes the bike last 22 instead of 25 years I'll have to get a new one a little sooner. Grant's method of bike maintenance in Just Ride was something like once a year I knock off the big chunks of grime was music to my ears! I clean my bike more frequently than that but I always feel like it's time I could have been riding. So, yeah, I go out on salted roads without a thought. But watch out for the icy patches! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
Thanks for the input everyone. I took it out today for a spin, and my Hetres looked like powdered donuts at times. When I got home, I poured a few big dishes of water on the wheels and DT and fenders, lubed chain, cables, and pivot points, and it looks great. I keep it in the garage. Nothing freezing in there last I checked. Got the salt off pretty good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
Anton, I believe the problem with bringing the bike indoors versus keeping in a garage or other non-insulated structure is that transitioning between warm and cold environments promotes condensation inside the frame. Matt On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 7:31:10 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: Exactly my feelings. Also, as I understand it, there is some additional debate regarding whether bringing your bike indoors to clean is better than just leaving it out in the cold all winter-- the idea being that rust is inhibited by cold temps. I don't know if this idea has any merit or not. But like KJ, I'm of the mind that it's just better to ride a beater that you don't care about for salt duty, and keep the 'bikes you love' for the three salt-free seasons. Anton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
'round here, with the same conditions, I ride most on my commuter for the obvious reasons. I have to add that if you have the ability to rinse off somewhere indoors, like a basement floor drain, you can use a pump-up garden sprayer like an RL from Home Depot to spray some water and a trigger bottle for your favorite cleanser. I find the concern for corrosive effects are greater for component fasteners than the frame itself, presuming you've Framesaver-ed or similarly treated the insides. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:33:04 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: There is a 200k on March 5th I'd like to attempt. My only shot at training is during the next 5 weeks, and the roads here in Maryland are trashed with salt from the mild snows we have been getting, with more to come next week. Looks like no salt free roads for the next 10 days with the forecast showing sporadic snows three times a week or so until then. So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
I basically filled my Hillborne with framesaver, looked like a frothy pint of stout when I was through with it. Ride it everyday in salt soaked NYC and I don't have any issues yet. Recently picked up a Quickbeam that had some nasty corrosion on the aluminum bits, as I nervously disassembled it fearing the worst, I was happily surprised to find the frame's insides looked beautiful. I framesavered the hell out of that one too, after Jared of Riv assured me a frame can't be savered or savored too much. Salt to taste, it's gonna be alright. -Kai On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:10:08 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote: 'round here, with the same conditions, I ride most on my commuter for the obvious reasons. I have to add that if you have the ability to rinse off somewhere indoors, like a basement floor drain, you can use a pump-up garden sprayer like an RL from Home Depot to spray some water and a trigger bottle for your favorite cleanser. I find the concern for corrosive effects are greater for component fasteners than the frame itself, presuming you've Framesaver-ed or similarly treated the insides. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:33:04 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: There is a 200k on March 5th I'd like to attempt. My only shot at training is during the next 5 weeks, and the roads here in Maryland are trashed with salt from the mild snows we have been getting, with more to come next week. Looks like no salt free roads for the next 10 days with the forecast showing sporadic snows three times a week or so until then. So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
A frame-savered frame will be fine. However salty sandy slush will get everywhere and quickly conspire to destroy bottom brackets, hub bearings and chains, as well as non-stainless steel fasteners like nuts and bolts. I would only ever consider using cheap replaceable components in a winter commuter/trainer bike. Anton, who is typing this as he rides the bus to work post-Juno. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?
With fenders and an occasional rinse when it gets really sloppy, you don't have anything to worry about. On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:33:04 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: There is a 200k on March 5th I'd like to attempt. My only shot at training is during the next 5 weeks, and the roads here in Maryland are trashed with salt from the mild snows we have been getting, with more to come next week. Looks like no salt free roads for the next 10 days with the forecast showing sporadic snows three times a week or so until then. So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage fenders, so maybe that would help a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
