GP feels his designs evolve over time, but my love is for the early stuff. A
95 Road (the level TT before the Standard model came out) and the Ram are great
riding road bikes. Never had a Rom but the Ram is nowhere close to mushy.
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From: Don Compton
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:03 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Kogswell P vs. Rambouillet
Wow, the 60 cm Kogswell P's geometry is identical to my old blue 60 cm
Rambouillet.
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:19:00
For what it's worth, I've found my romulus to be a nice, quick road bike
that can do a little bit more. Great handling, comfortable geometry and
I've never felt it held me back in comparison to another bicycle. My only
complaint about it is the toe overlap with the front wheel, but I find it's
I would say the Ram went in two directions, and not terribly far in either:
The AHH, and the Rodeo. The main difference with the AHH is bigger tires,
though it may be that even the Rodeo can clear more than the Ram. The Rodeo
chainstays are about the same as Ram, but ever so slightly steeper
I can totally sympathize with price increase woes. A great steel frameset
will outlive ANY of us, though, so it's still a bargain. If you know
you'll get bored and dump it far sooner and care more about re-sale value,
wait for a used one.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, February
The Road Standard had smaller tire clearance due to short-reach brakes.
The Roadeo specs medium-reach brakes, and it will fit a 700 x 36 tire
comfortably.
My Road Standard also has upper rack eyelets on the seat stays, where the
Roadeo does not. Of course, you can mount a rear rack to the Roadeo
On 02/28/2017 04:38 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
What could you do on a Rambouillet that you can't do on a Roadeo?
1) you could buy it for under a thousand dollars, IIRC vs over twice
that for the Roadeo
2) the Rambouillet had seat stay rack mounts. I can't tell for sure,
but it doesn't look
Totally true Bill, and the Roadeo is a lovely bike. Thing is, a bare Roadeo
frame costs $800 more than the Romulus did as a complete bike.
Some of that is inflation, sure, but looking at the complete Sam for $2,500
the bare Roadeo frame sure seems expensive at $2,250. Probably out of reach
for
What could you do on a Rambouillet that you can't do on a Roadeo? In my
mind, those two models are functionally identical, and you can buy a Roadeo
if you want a Rivendell and want a 'not-dumb' stripped down road bike.
Rivendell also selling country bikes has not displaced the nice road bike.
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early stuff. A 95 Road (the level TT before the Standard model
haha, country hobo. Love it!
On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 9:23:53 AM UTC-5, Skenry wrote:
>
> I do love my P60, its on my "do not ever sell" list. I wouldn't say the
> lugs were unique though, they were the Kirk Pacenti OS carving blanks, they
> were just uncarved.
>
> Great riding
I do love my P60, its on my "do not ever sell" list. I wouldn't say the
lugs were unique though, they were the Kirk Pacenti OS carving blanks, they
were just uncarved.
Great riding bike though. I can fit 32's, 28's with fenders. It was
from an earlier Riv-influence era. Fancier, faster
Hey All,
I owned a second gen Model P and also a Romulus. I found the Romulus to be
over tubed. There must also be some differences in the tubeset because the
Rom felt mushy when pushed hard compared to the Model P and other similar
steel road frames I have owned. The Model P was a kick in the
What happened to Kogswell, indeed!? I recall surfing into there website a
few years ago and it was defunct. Not sure exactly when or why they pulled
the plug, but it was a shame.
On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:03:44 PM UTC-6, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I remember when those came out.
I remember when those came out. Wasn't there a kerfuffle over the name (or
proposed name)? What happened to Kogswell?
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:22:41 AM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Saw an ebay listing for a 62cm Kogswell P and the ad copy stated it was an
> exact copy of the
I have a P58 for sale with new paint from Chris Kvale. Built after paint
rode three times unbuilt because I decided to stick with 650b. I also had a
Ram 58. I really liked both but I really like 650b. more. The difference
between the two was small,very small to someone like me.
On Sunday,
Wow, the 60 cm Kogswell P's geometry is identical to my old blue 60 cm
Rambouillet.
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:19:00 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>
> The truth be told:
>
> http://yojimg.net/bike/kogswell/kogswell_docs/Model%20P/Model%20P.pdf
>
> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 6:22:41 AM
There was a bike shop in the Northwest that had a batch of Ps painted in
their own color. Those blues ones were killer.
Matthew Grimm was a character for our times.
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 6:22:41 AM UTC-8, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Saw an ebay listing for a 62cm Kogswell P and the ad copy
Those were lovely frames. I could not afford them at the time. I'm sure
production costs increased but if those were offered again, at those
prices, they'd sell really well.
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The truth be told:
http://yojimg.net/bike/kogswell/kogswell_docs/Model%20P/Model%20P.pdf
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 6:22:41 AM UTC-8, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Saw an ebay listing for a 62cm Kogswell P and the ad copy stated it was an
> exact copy of the Rambouillet geometry. IIRC, the P was
The ride/handling is very similar from what I remember.
Ryan
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 6:22:41 AM UTC-8, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Saw an ebay listing for a 62cm Kogswell P and the ad copy stated it was an
> exact copy of the Rambouillet geometry. IIRC, the P was only made briefly,
> used
according to my experience and
this: http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=41
about 91.
On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:29:55 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
Anyone have a recommended PBH on this beaut? I know there are some owners
on the list. Thanks
Thanks man, too big for me, unfortunately. I would love to try true low
trail geometry, ah one day.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Tonester tony.mad...@gmail.com wrote:
according to my experience and this:
http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=41
about 91.
On Thursday, June 5, 2014
Peter, by that size chart, my Rivendell road bike should be 61-63 cm, but
I'm delighted with my 66 Quickbeam and wouldn't want it smaller. So there
is a range of comfort and possibly even ideal, outside that chart if that's
what you were going by.
With abandon,
Patrick
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If you get to the Bay Area, drop in on the folks at Box Dog Bikes and check
out the Pelican. I know a few group members who have those.
Well-rendered and without some of the shimmy-quirks which plagued certain
Kog models.
- Jim
On Friday, June 6, 2014 9:35:33 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
I was amazed you're riding a 66cm QB!
My 60cm works great for me, with a similar PBH (I think). My Singular
Gryphon is an XL, though, which is Very Large, but I like the feel of that
bike, too.
Philip
www.biketinker.com
On Friday, June 6, 2014 9:52:33 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Peter,
I was amazed with the stem I'm using (a 12cm), preferring it to the 9cm I'd
bought to use with the Albastache. I do have chimpanzee arms though. Cheesy
chimp grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, June 6, 2014 3:06:50 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
I was amazed you're riding a 66cm QB!
On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:29:55 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
Anyone have a recommended PBH on this beaut? I know there are some owners
on the list. Thanks
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Andrew andrewkib...@gmail.com wrote:
I have no affiliation to the seller but this shop is selling Kogswell
p/r 650b frame and forks for $325 and will throw in a bottom bracket.
They dont include the fenders, headset and seatpost. They have all
sizes.
Interesting, I just ordered a P/R(minus fenders, headset, seatpost and
bb) from Longleaf for $500. Oh well, at least Anthony(at Longleaf)
seems like good person to do business with.
On Oct 23, 6:55 pm, Andrew andrewkib...@gmail.com wrote:
I have no affiliation to the seller but this shop is
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