Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA? Completely gone? Coming back?

I had a pair of the original MUSA knickers, and they were pretty good: perfect weight -- not too heavy, not too light; long enough to stay cinched below knee, but IMO, cut too low in the waist, and had no fly -- I wanna fly, unless I wear tights. On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ron Mc

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I'm not going to compare them to MUSA, because MUSA are perfect in my book. . I'll compare them to the Garneau, which don't stay below your knee. The knee gusset in the Garneau is comfortable, but it actually causes them to ride up , and the short velcro strap on the Garneau won't seal the

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That would also be my question. I just took a pair of wool dress pants to the tailor yesterday to be cut to knicker length, and for me, knicker length is long enough so that when I raise my knee above my waist, the hem can be cinched tightly just below the knee and just begin to bind. I suppose

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How is the sizing? I have some MUSA large pants and they are perfect. The inseam sounds out of proportion to the waist sizing. Cheers, Patrick On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, John Hawrylak wrote: > Ron > > Does the Karpos knickers remain below your knee when

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Ron Does the Karpos knickers remain below your knee when riding?? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 10:31:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > I have a review on Karpos knickers, which I bought from Holland. Sat in > customs for 3 weeks, but finally arrived this week. > I

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here's the link for the Karpos knickers https://www.trekkinn.com/outdoor-mountain/karpos-casatsch-baggy-3-4/137009/p_post=542306_1_null=eng=210 On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 9:31:18 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > > I have a review on Karpos knickers, which I bought from Holland. Sat in > customs

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I have a review on Karpos knickers, which I bought from Holland. Sat in customs for 3 weeks, but finally arrived this week. I tried some Garneau knickers which are good, but these are much better. They feel tight when you put them on, then they disappear.. They stretch everywhere really.

[RBW] Re: MUSA? Completely gone? Coming back?

No offense to Grant, but I can find merino elsewhere. It's MUSA pants, shorts and knickers I can't find substitutes. (don't shorten the legs on the pants, part of what makes them work for me - ha) On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:27:53 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote: > > I have worn out two pair of

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I have worn out two pair of MUSA shorts, have one spare on hand, and wish I could get more. I have a pair of MUSA pants, and long for knickers. I wear size L, which quickly sells out, alas. But I do look forward to the next run of 80 pants, and will jump when they're offered. Oh, and the thin

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Yeah, me too. I've said it before and might as well say it again: if there needs to be a commitment in the form of pre-orders, to make a run worthwhile, I'm down for several pairs of knickers and a couple pair of shorts at a minimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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Big bummer. I love the MUSA stuff (especially the knickers) and am happy to support the endeavor. I was hoping for another run of knickers and shorts so that I could stock up for the next 20 years but it sounds like I might not get the chance. I shall cling to what I have until it's

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I have two pair of MUSA shorts of various vintage/shades of green, which I wear pretty much every day for 3/4s of the year here in sunny (currently cold) California. I'll pick up another in black if Size L ever comes in again. I had the grey/blue pants for a while, but outgrew them (read:

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I would like to thank Grant for trying so hard for 14 years to bring MUSA to us. It is that ethos that in great part has kept me coming again and again to Riv. His decision to pay his employees well and IIRC, for them to have a 401k, and his support of charities is a business model that, were I

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My gray/blue MUSA long pants have been great. Glad to hear of more normal looking ones coming down the pike. Not having Velcro and reflective stripe is a plus for meeting the wife at restaurants. With the reflective stripes people may think either bike clothes or prison clothes or road worker

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Hey, Grant: I've owned enough of Rivendell clothing to confidently assert that, in my own very personal experience, the pluses far outweigh the minuses. Here's an idea (puhleeze?): bring back some of the Wooly Warm stuff. I have that Wooly Warm ragg-type over-jersey (4-or-so button plaquet, rear

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Clothing companies with staff designers can please more people than bicycle companies trying their hand at clothing, that's for sure. Making one style and fit of anything and trying to fit the O's and I's, the short and tall, the ones who like a tailored fit and the ones who don't, and that's even

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Aye, Grant. I used to only wear a kilt. I quickly realized my aversion to pants was all the rubbing they do. For a wimpy brain like mine, that's a lot of neural input, and near a day's allotment in just an hour. That was unsustainable. So was a kilt on a bike. Knickers are brilliant (I only

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The MUSA wool undies are the best boxer briefs ever, IMO. $40 a pair for undies is crazy for people who are used to buying undies at Walmart or similar, but in my opinion life is too short to wash with boring soap and life is too short to wear lame undies. If MUSA undies ever come back, I'm

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Which pants are you referring to? MUSA? On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:16 AM, Garth wrote: > The pants seemed a bit odd to me. For one, for a company that promotes > wearing "normal" clothes the pants with the reflectors and large velcro > straps reminded me of a fireman's

[RBW] Re: MUSA? Completely gone? Coming back?

On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 10:46:16 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: > > I just referred someone to MUSA shorts on another forum - now I can't find > even knickers on Rivbike? > What's us? > MUSA may be the longest-running flop in the RBW micro-empire. As anybody who knows me knows, I am never

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I have enjoyed the shirts that Rivendell sells, and still wear some old ones -Viyella overstocks, Rockmount varieties - and newer ones branded MUSA. My shorts and pants will outlast me (except maybe the boosuckers), but I'll miss those shirts in a few years. I will order mass qtys if the chance

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Garth, FWIW, your assertion that knickers can ever look "normal" for everyday wear strikes me as odd. I can only recall twice seeing someone wearing knickers on the street. While they might be handy, they're hardly "normal" attire. In addition, I found the velcro straps very handy indeed. I

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Garth, I didn't like the pants at first. A bit baggy, didn't like the look. I didn't mind the reflectors, and my generation has zippers instead of velcro. Over time, I have come to appreciate them for super casual uses: biking and camping, mostly. And for that they are great. Super comfy and

[RBW] Re: MUSA? Completely gone? Coming back?

Garth, I didn't like the pants at first. A bit baggy, didn't like the look. I didn't mind the reflectors, and my generation has zippers instead of velcro. Over time, I have come to appreciate them for super casual uses: biking and camping, mostly. And for that they are great. Super comfy and

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I've never found anything to work significantly better than a pair of dickies work pants with maybe a strap for the drive-side pant leg depending on the size of the leg opening. I love the MUSA half-mitts though, especially since they added the warm lining. I'd also be psyched if they bring

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I couldn't care less about the knickers, but I wear the pants and shorts all the time. I hope they continue those. The only problem I've had is the rear pockets tearing on several pairs I use commuting. Marc On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 8:25:40 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > I live and ride

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I live and ride in the shorts in summer, ride in the knickers all winter, and live in the pants all winter. The pants always get compliments -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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The pants seemed a bit odd to me. For one, for a company that promotes wearing "normal" clothes the pants with the reflectors and large velcro straps reminded me of a fireman's pant, not a "normal" looking pant at all. For comparison, he Compass knicker looks like a normal knicker

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I thought of the Compass knickers, but Jan's description made them seem to thin -- I don't want to be obliged to wear tights under them when it gets cold. I found an excellent deal on 2 pr of Endura "Urban" pants at an apparently Spain-based vendor called "Bike Inn." The list is, IIRC, $98, but I

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Patrick again thanks for the explanations. Yes, Gen 2 was baggier and RBW seemed to "crow" about it. Compass has a nice pair, have you looked at theirs?? They do not seem to be 4" below the knee from the pictures??? They are pricey, but in line with Compass stuff. John Hawrylak Woodstown

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John: I owned a pair of the first gen MUSA knickers and they were just long enough to cinch under the knee and allow free movement; another inch would have been good. Apparently the 2nd gen were as you say like long pants that weren't quite long enough. They were also a lot baggier -- not my

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Patrick Ok, now I understand why the extra length is required. Thanks. I do NOT remember any mention of why you need the extra length in the RBW description of the longer knickers. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:15:30 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > At least

[RBW] Re: MUSA? Completely gone? Coming back?

Take a rubberband or strap and snug up your pants just below your knee (squat as you do so, to allow for proper fit above the knee). Tuck your lower pants into a tall sock. Move. Ride. No constant pulling of the pants up and down the leg. Less energy. Less constant clothing motion. If needed,

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Knicker socks, like those from Bicycle Fixations. More flexible than long pants. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:39 PM, lum gim fong wrote: > > Why knickers in the first place? > > If it is warm enough for shorts, I'd wear shorts. > > Too cold for shorts?

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Why knickers in the first place? If it is warm enough for shorts, I'd wear shorts. Too cold for shorts? I'd opt for full length pants for full coverage. Why chill the olde shin bones with knickers? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

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Aye. http://www.orvis.com/p/moleskin-breeks/4y47s Most colors/sizes gone, as they are on clearence ($113, retail $250). Riding with them so far they are good up to 50˚F and down to at least 10˚F and 50 mph winds with no long johns under them. Followed the recommendation to size up 2 sizes and

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Patrick the Deacon: can you point me to the source for your moleskins? I made several pairs of very nice riding knickers out of good quality men's dress pants, simply by having them hemmed 6 or 8" below knee, and having velcro straps added. I still have one pair, and I dearly wish I hadn't

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Knickers, er, Breeches, uh, Breeks, are an old garment type and, as Patrick of the Moore points out, they are supposed to extend below the knee when unchinced so that when cinched above the calf there is room to move. My traditional birding moleskin breeks I am using this winter come down to

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Goes to show how hard it is to please everybody, i guess. I LOVED the longer knickers, and i have shortish legs. I'm talking out my a** now, but i don't think and didn't mean to suggest that some design feature made them unpopular. My understanding is that the manufacturer needs/expects to

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At least 4" below knee. Please! Otherwise, when you cinch them tight just below the knee, there is not enough slack to allow you to bend your leg comfortably through the pedal stroke. On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:11 PM, John Hawrylak wrote: > WRT Knickers, RBW would be

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WRT Knickers, RBW would be better to stay with the traditional length, just below the knees. The last run had a length just above the ankles and looked like pants that were too short. I do not what they were thinking. No wonder they languished on the shelf. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On