[RBW] Re: My new Roadeo

[Nick Worthington]

Building up my Roadeo has been delayed while I heal-up from an injury, but, 
for what it's worth, I've got Barlow Pass tires mounted on it with no 
problem.  Seems like room to spare left over, too.

Nick W.

On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 8:21:08 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I know that I am preaching to the Choir. I picked up my new Riv Roadeo 
> frame set the end of August. I installed the Shimano 6800 11sp group set 
> along with a set of Shimano "medium reach" brake set. After over 1600 
> miles, the equipment and the frame set have been flawless. For a club rider 
> ( never race), the Roadeo is perfect. I run 700x28 Grand Bois tires pumped 
> to 60fr and 70r.
> I know this is sort of a repeat, but I just need to sen an update.
> I was having a problem with setback ( short femors) and I just raised the 
> bars ( highway one's about 1cm below the saddle).
> As many of you experience, there's a lot of dis- information on the 
> internet. One of the statements that I have seen is maximum tire width on a 
> Roadeo. It's at least 32 width with fenders. And much bigger without.
> Anyway, enjoy your Rivs. 
>

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[RBW] Re: My new Roadeo

[Kelly]

My wifes 61cm Roadeo runs sks fenders and jack browns just fine. 

fyi 

Kelly

On Sunday, October 4, 2015 at 10:21:08 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I know that I am preaching to the Choir. I picked up my new Riv Roadeo 
> frame set the end of August. I installed the Shimano 6800 11sp group set 
> along with a set of Shimano "medium reach" brake set. After over 1600 
> miles, the equipment and the frame set have been flawless. For a club rider 
> ( never race), the Roadeo is perfect. I run 700x28 Grand Bois tires pumped 
> to 60fr and 70r.
> I know this is sort of a repeat, but I just need to sen an update.
> I was having a problem with setback ( short femors) and I just raised the 
> bars ( highway one's about 1cm below the saddle).
> As many of you experience, there's a lot of dis- information on the 
> internet. One of the statements that I have seen is maximum tire width on a 
> Roadeo. It's at least 32 width with fenders. And much bigger without.
> Anyway, enjoy your Rivs. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Don,

I converted my Ram to 650b.  It easily takes 42 mm tires with fenders.  The
Roadeo has a lower BB than the Ram, so I would not convert that.

Toshi


On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Tim,
> Many Riv's built for 700c wheels have fairly low bottom brackets. How does
> that work with going to 650 rims?
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 7:50:19 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I have a Riv Road Standard, kind of a pre-Ram, pre-Roadeo, and I've
>> modified it more towards touring than fast road riding.
>>
>> Mine cleared a 700 x 28 with no fenders, which I found limiting.  I
>> prefer riding with fenders and wider tires for varied surfaces (I even put
>> fenders on my new carbon cross bike -- it has fender bosses).
>>
>> So, I:
>> converted the Riv Road to 650b x 38 with long reach brakes
>> added full fenders
>> added a rear rack (Nitto R20 Mt Campee)
>> added a front rack (Nitto F20 Mt Campee or Nitto M1, with Tubus clamps
>> and fork adapters to fit)
>> mounted a Brooks Flyer Special
>> built up a dynamo wheelset (for the Luxos U headlight and Topline brake
>> light)
>> and added all kinds of accessories (frame pump, wired computer, headset
>> spacer bell, phone mount, etc).
>>
>> Rivs can be quite versatile, if you are.
>>
>> I already have an excellent steel go-fast bike, so the Riv fits better in
>> my stable as a light tourer.
>>
>> I put tons of miles in on the Riv for commuting, social rides, tours,
>> etc.
>>
>> In comparison, I almost never ride my skinny-tired gofast bike, and it's
>> for sale.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. I do wonder if my Ram has a future as a touring bike. The fork
>>> would need more attachment points - or maybe a different fork.
>>>
>>> It's quite overbuilt in its present config as a stripped-down, go-fast
>>> type machine - especially for a lanky dude like me. I wouldn't mind
>>> replacing it with a XXL Boulder Road Sport or something similar. Something
>>> lighter, faster and more spring-y. I'll add it to the list!
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 9:44:23 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

  It would have made a wonderful touring bike, I guess. And it was
 beefier than it needed to be; compared to the very light Motobecane, say.


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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Tim Gavin]

Don-

The BB is crazy low now.

My Riv Road has 80 mm of BB drop, and my conversion from 700 x 25 to 650 x
38 dropped it another 6 mm.

I use 170 mm cranks and I still need to be careful not to pedal in turns,
and to keep my pedals level when off-roading.

However, the very low BB gives the bike great handling and a low stepover.
Not a bad trade-off, especially with my overwhelming preference for the 650
x 38 tires.

Tim

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Tim,
> Many Riv's built for 700c wheels have fairly low bottom brackets. How does
> that work with going to 650 rims?
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 7:50:19 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I have a Riv Road Standard, kind of a pre-Ram, pre-Roadeo, and I've
>> modified it more towards touring than fast road riding.
>>
>> Mine cleared a 700 x 28 with no fenders, which I found limiting.  I
>> prefer riding with fenders and wider tires for varied surfaces (I even put
>> fenders on my new carbon cross bike -- it has fender bosses).
>>
>> So, I:
>> converted the Riv Road to 650b x 38 with long reach brakes
>> added full fenders
>> added a rear rack (Nitto R20 Mt Campee)
>> added a front rack (Nitto F20 Mt Campee or Nitto M1, with Tubus clamps
>> and fork adapters to fit)
>> mounted a Brooks Flyer Special
>> built up a dynamo wheelset (for the Luxos U headlight and Topline brake
>> light)
>> and added all kinds of accessories (frame pump, wired computer, headset
>> spacer bell, phone mount, etc).
>>
>> Rivs can be quite versatile, if you are.
>>
>> I already have an excellent steel go-fast bike, so the Riv fits better in
>> my stable as a light tourer.
>>
>> I put tons of miles in on the Riv for commuting, social rides, tours,
>> etc.
>>
>> In comparison, I almost never ride my skinny-tired gofast bike, and it's
>> for sale.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. I do wonder if my Ram has a future as a touring bike. The fork
>>> would need more attachment points - or maybe a different fork.
>>>
>>> It's quite overbuilt in its present config as a stripped-down, go-fast
>>> type machine - especially for a lanky dude like me. I wouldn't mind
>>> replacing it with a XXL Boulder Road Sport or something similar. Something
>>> lighter, faster and more spring-y. I'll add it to the list!
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 9:44:23 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

  It would have made a wonderful touring bike, I guess. And it was
 beefier than it needed to be; compared to the very light Motobecane, say.


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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Bill,
May of 1974 at the NCAA tournament, I was fortunate to be partnered with 
Peter Jacobsen in the North-South matches the day before the tournament 
began. It was best ball ( 4 ball ) and we kicked the other team's ass.I 
didn't help much.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Holy CRAP!  Don Compton was all-conference in a year where both Peter 
> Jacobsen (Oregon) and Craig Stadler (USC) competed in the conference. 
>  That's no freaking joke.  Hat's off (and Go Bears!)
>
> Bill class-of-1991-and-1999-and-2001 Lindsay
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 8:12:49 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
>> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
>> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
>> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
>> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
>> losing that I had with golf.
>> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
>> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
>> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
>> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
>> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
>> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
>> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
>> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
>> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
>> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
>> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
>> and handles like a Roadeo.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>>> would be a Roadeo.
>>>
>>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>>> would top the list.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
 about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
 drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
  
 I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
 total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I 
 did 
 a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
 hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
 out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never 
 once 
 uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
 something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
 just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
 apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
 irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
 were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
 they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
 that stuff fine. 
  

 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
> I would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
> was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
> rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and 
> floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm 
> below my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less 
> hands problems on long rides. 
> Don Compton
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Tim,
Many Riv's built for 700c wheels have fairly low bottom brackets. How does 
that work with going to 650 rims?

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 7:50:19 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I have a Riv Road Standard, kind of a pre-Ram, pre-Roadeo, and I've 
> modified it more towards touring than fast road riding.  
>
> Mine cleared a 700 x 28 with no fenders, which I found limiting.  I prefer 
> riding with fenders and wider tires for varied surfaces (I even put fenders 
> on my new carbon cross bike -- it has fender bosses).
>
> So, I:
> converted the Riv Road to 650b x 38 with long reach brakes
> added full fenders
> added a rear rack (Nitto R20 Mt Campee)
> added a front rack (Nitto F20 Mt Campee or Nitto M1, with Tubus clamps and 
> fork adapters to fit)
> mounted a Brooks Flyer Special
> built up a dynamo wheelset (for the Luxos U headlight and Topline brake 
> light)
> and added all kinds of accessories (frame pump, wired computer, headset 
> spacer bell, phone mount, etc).
>
> Rivs can be quite versatile, if you are.  
>
> I already have an excellent steel go-fast bike, so the Riv fits better in 
> my stable as a light tourer.  
>
> I put tons of miles in on the Riv for commuting, social rides, tours, etc. 
>  
>
> In comparison, I almost never ride my skinny-tired gofast bike, and it's 
> for sale.
>
>
> Tim
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Kieran J  
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I do wonder if my Ram has a future as a touring bike. The fork 
>> would need more attachment points - or maybe a different fork. 
>>
>> It's quite overbuilt in its present config as a stripped-down, go-fast 
>> type machine - especially for a lanky dude like me. I wouldn't mind 
>> replacing it with a XXL Boulder Road Sport or something similar. Something 
>> lighter, faster and more spring-y. I'll add it to the list!
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 9:44:23 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>  It would have made a wonderful touring bike, I guess. And it was 
>>> beefier than it needed to be; compared to the very light Motobecane, say.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Patrick Moore]

Fun is by definition subjective!

For me, a Roadeo with 30 mm tires would be ideal -- I would have no use at
all for anything wider, or even for fenders, on this sort of bike, which in
my stable would fill the "gofast derailleur" niche.

Past racing bikes: At least some models from the early 70s can be quite Riv
like. My 1977 Motobecane Grand Record had 45 cm stays and took 29s with
fenders. It also carried 40 lb on a Fly better than any bike I can remember.

I take it that I am right in thinking that the Roadeo handles a wee bit
quicker than the Rambouillet? The Ram was a very nice bike, but handled wee
bit sedately, for my taste, for a "fun" road bike. It would have made a
wonderful touring bike, I guess. And it was beefier than it needed to be;
compared to the very light Motobecane, say.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:29 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>>
>> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff ...  It
>> was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train.
>>
>
> H.  Could you define "fun"?  Seriously.  I'd posit that your
> conclusion is utterly subjective, not objective.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[RJM]

The Roadeo won't take 38's, certainly not with fenders. I think 35s are the 
tops. I was riding 32s for a while but now am running 25s, but I'm 
switching back to 32s and fenders for the winter. The bike rides great with 
those tire widths on 22 wide aluminium rims (I have been using Rolf Vigor 
RS wheelsI know, I know, totally not Riv approved, but they have been 
awesome wheels for the riding I'm doing.) I feel a little bit more 
responsive with the 25s in pacelines, when I get into them. 

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 9:08:40 PM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>
> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff (fancy 
> brifters, and so on), because I was looking to buy my Last Bike. 
>
> It was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 
>
> I'd love to ride a Roadeo. I want 36 spoke wheels. I want fenders. I want 
> 38mm tires (at least). 2 pounds here or there is absolute nonsense. My 
> carbon friends will eventually figure this out, until then I will get 
> grief. 
>
> I've had a lot of bikes. You get what you pay for. Rivs are big $$$. They 
> are worth it. 
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
>> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
>> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
>> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
>> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
>> losing that I had with golf.
>> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
>> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
>> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
>> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
>> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
>> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
>> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
>> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
>> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
>> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
>> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
>> and handles like a Roadeo.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>>> would be a Roadeo.
>>>
>>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>>> would top the list.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
 about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
 drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
  
 I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
 total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I 
 did 
 a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
 hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
 out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never 
 once 
 uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
 something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
 just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
 apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
 irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
 were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
 they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
 that stuff fine. 
  

 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
> I would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
> was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
> rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and 
> floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm 
> below my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less 
> hands 

Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Kieran J]

Agreed. I do wonder if my Ram has a future as a touring bike. The fork 
would need more attachment points - or maybe a different fork. 

It's quite overbuilt in its present config as a stripped-down, go-fast type 
machine - especially for a lanky dude like me. I wouldn't mind replacing it 
with a XXL Boulder Road Sport or something similar. Something lighter, 
faster and more spring-y. I'll add it to the list!

KJ


On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 9:44:23 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>  It would have made a wonderful touring bike, I guess. And it was beefier 
> than it needed to be; compared to the very light Motobecane, say.
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Tim Gavin]

I have a Riv Road Standard, kind of a pre-Ram, pre-Roadeo, and I've
modified it more towards touring than fast road riding.

Mine cleared a 700 x 28 with no fenders, which I found limiting.  I prefer
riding with fenders and wider tires for varied surfaces (I even put fenders
on my new carbon cross bike -- it has fender bosses).

So, I:
converted the Riv Road to 650b x 38 with long reach brakes
added full fenders
added a rear rack (Nitto R20 Mt Campee)
added a front rack (Nitto F20 Mt Campee or Nitto M1, with Tubus clamps and
fork adapters to fit)
mounted a Brooks Flyer Special
built up a dynamo wheelset (for the Luxos U headlight and Topline brake
light)
and added all kinds of accessories (frame pump, wired computer, headset
spacer bell, phone mount, etc).

Rivs can be quite versatile, if you are.

I already have an excellent steel go-fast bike, so the Riv fits better in
my stable as a light tourer.

I put tons of miles in on the Riv for commuting, social rides, tours, etc.

In comparison, I almost never ride my skinny-tired gofast bike, and it's
for sale.


Tim

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Kieran J  wrote:

> Agreed. I do wonder if my Ram has a future as a touring bike. The fork
> would need more attachment points - or maybe a different fork.
>
> It's quite overbuilt in its present config as a stripped-down, go-fast
> type machine - especially for a lanky dude like me. I wouldn't mind
> replacing it with a XXL Boulder Road Sport or something similar. Something
> lighter, faster and more spring-y. I'll add it to the list!
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 9:44:23 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>  It would have made a wonderful touring bike, I guess. And it was beefier
>> than it needed to be; compared to the very light Motobecane, say.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Will]

Of course my impression is subjective. Completely so.

I was thinking about purchasing a Serotta a few years back. Even went and 
had a bike fitting. The Serotta frames were beautiful. I loved them. 

When I asked if I could have one built to take fenders, the shop guy looked 
like he had pooh on his shoes. Why would you want fenders? 

So objective/subjective is tricky business. The idea of fenders, and tires 
that aren't anorexic, seems rather normal and practical to me, but was 
completely foreign to the shop guy  (who was a seriously strong rider). 

In the end it all worked out. An Atlantis found me. 

I do wish the Roadeo took 38s. My son has a mid-80s 56 cm. Trek 613 that 
runs 700x36s. It's tight, but I really like his bike. I put an Ultegra 
level group on the frame. There's something about larger wheels that works. 
When they spin up you have momentum. Do I need cush... not so much, I'm 155 
pounds, so everything tire-wise over 32 works fine. Mostly, I like wider 
tires because they handle crappy roads better, 





On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 12:29:36 AM UTC-5, pb wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>>
>> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff ...  It 
>> was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 
>>
>
> H.  Could you define "fun"?  Seriously.  I'd posit that your 
> conclusion is utterly subjective, not objective.
>
> That comment comes from someone who owns a Merlin Agilis ti, a Schwinn 
> Paramount/Serotta ti, a Hampsten/Eriksen custom ti, a "Seven ti with all 
> the high end stuff" (used to be mine, but now built up for my wife), and 
> two Rivs, among a few others.  They all have their place, and they all have 
> their fun.  More fun?  Way less fun?  I can't agree.
>
> Actually, although for years I absolutely loved tough climbing rides on 
> it, and although it has a fantastic rear end, the Merlin is a bit too fast 
> in the front end for me nowadays, and therein lies subjectivity.
>
> ~pb
> (Yeah, I'm kind'a tempted by the Rodeo. I bet it would be fun.)
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[ted]

Will,

I also find the Rodeo tempting. However if you want 38mm and larger tires 
with fenders it's not going to have large enough clearances for you. Even 
an AHH may be too tight for you, I find ~40mm (Soma GR) with fenders to be 
as far as I can go on mine.

When I want to ride something "racy" I ride my roughly 35 year old Gios 
with sort of recent components. That bike is very not Riv. Compared to my 
AHH the bars are 3 or 4" lower, the gears are way higher, and the wheelbase 
is much shorter (short chainstays, lots of toe overlap, very quick 
handling). Its a bit of a harsh mistress so thoughts of a Roadeo (or 
custom) occasionally come into my head, but the Hilsen works so well for me 
that I'll probably never get one. Would be fun though, and I don't think 
I've ever heard anyone complaining about regretting getting a Roadeo.

I am a bit perplexed by the frequent comments on this list about grief or 
such from MCFRB riders. I fit in fine with the carbon fans I ride with, and 
they don't give me any grief. I doubt any of them will ever buy a steel 
bike but we all have a good time just the same.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff (fancy 
> brifters, and so on), because I was looking to buy my Last Bike. 
>
> It was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 
>
> I'd love to ride a Roadeo. I want 36 spoke wheels. I want fenders. I want 
> 38mm tires (at least). 2 pounds here or there is absolute nonsense. My 
> carbon friends will eventually figure this out, until then I will get 
> grief. 
>
> I've had a lot of bikes. You get what you pay for. Rivs are big $$$. They 
> are worth it. 
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
>> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
>> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
>> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
>> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
>> losing that I had with golf.
>> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
>> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
>> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
>> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
>> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
>> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
>> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
>> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
>> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
>> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
>> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
>> and handles like a Roadeo.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>>> would be a Roadeo.
>>>
>>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>>> would top the list.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
 about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
 drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
  
 I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
 total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I 
 did 
 a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
 hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
 out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never 
 once 
 uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
 something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
 just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
 apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
 irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
 were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
 they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
 that stuff fine. 
  

 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
> I would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
> was an active club 

Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff ...  It 
> was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 
>

H.  Could you define "fun"?  Seriously.  I'd posit that your conclusion 
is utterly subjective, not objective.

That comment comes from someone who owns a Merlin Agilis ti, a Schwinn 
Paramount/Serotta ti, a Hampsten/Eriksen custom ti, a "Seven ti with all 
the high end stuff" (used to be mine, but now built up for my wife), and 
two Rivs, among a few others.  They all have their place, and they all have 
their fun.  More fun?  Way less fun?  I can't agree.

Actually, although for years I absolutely loved tough climbing rides on it, 
and although it has a fantastic rear end, the Merlin is a bit too fast in 
the front end for me nowadays, and therein lies subjectivity.

~pb
(Yeah, I'm kind'a tempted by the Rodeo. I bet it would be fun.)


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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I use Grand Bois Cypress 700x30 tires on mine--the skinniest tires of any
bike I own.  The comments I get on some rides are, "Wow, that dude is
riding on like cyclocross tires or something."
My motto is as the hill gets steeper go to a lower gear, so I have a
"fancy" 10-spd compatible Sugino triple crank with 12-27 cassette.
Wonderful ride. I always wonder if a 650b custom "Roadeo" may be the
perfect Randonneur bike, although my 650b Ram is pretty near perfect for
me...

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Patrick Moore]

You've convinced me! Now I just need the $$$ ...

On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Patrick,
> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I
> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from
> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace
> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have
> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and
> losing that I had with golf.
> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became
> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew
> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell
> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I
> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just
> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the
> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to
> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working
> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on
> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides
> and handles like a Roadeo.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap
>> would be a Roadeo.
>>
>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo
>> would top the list.)
>>
>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine
>>> about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the
>>> drops on my Mark's bar fine.
>>>
>>> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me
>>> total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did
>>> a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was
>>> hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned
>>> out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once
>>> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it,
>>> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was
>>> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it;
>>> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and
>>> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders
>>> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how
>>> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle
>>> that stuff fine.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
 After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought
 I would give and update.
 Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just
 was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile
 rides.
 Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics
 makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's
 just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating
  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from
 hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
 And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below
 my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands
 problems on long rides.
 Don Compton

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Will]

This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff (fancy 
brifters, and so on), because I was looking to buy my Last Bike. 

It was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 

I'd love to ride a Roadeo. I want 36 spoke wheels. I want fenders. I want 
38mm tires (at least). 2 pounds here or there is absolute nonsense. My 
carbon friends will eventually figure this out, until then I will get 
grief. 

I've had a lot of bikes. You get what you pay for. Rivs are big $$$. They 
are worth it. 

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> Patrick,
> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
> losing that I had with golf.
> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
> and handles like a Roadeo.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>> would be a Roadeo.
>>
>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>> would top the list.)
>>
>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
>>> about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
>>> drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
>>>  
>>> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
>>> total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did 
>>> a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
>>> hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
>>> out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once 
>>> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
>>> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
>>> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
>>> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
>>> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
>>> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
>>> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
>>> that stuff fine. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
 After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
 I would give and update. 
 Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
 was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
 rides.
 Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
 makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
 just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
 hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
 And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below 
 my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
 problems on long rides. 
 Don Compton

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Will,
I compromise a little on the Riv theme. On my Roadeo, I have a Shimano 
Ultegra 11sp setup with a compact crankset. With my 12-29 Campy cassette, I 
have finally found the combo that allows me to ride on any rides ( any ride 
that I want to ride ). Tires, however, I stick with the Riv theme. I use 
700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs pumped up to a monumental 60lbs front and 70lbs 
rear. No race theme there.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> This is so true. I test rode a 7 Ti with all the high end stuff (fancy 
> brifters, and so on), because I was looking to buy my Last Bike. 
>
> It was way less fun than my Atlantis with the old school drive train. 
>
> I'd love to ride a Roadeo. I want 36 spoke wheels. I want fenders. I want 
> 38mm tires (at least). 2 pounds here or there is absolute nonsense. My 
> carbon friends will eventually figure this out, until then I will get 
> grief. 
>
> I've had a lot of bikes. You get what you pay for. Rivs are big $$$. They 
> are worth it. 
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
>> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
>> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
>> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
>> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
>> losing that I had with golf.
>> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
>> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
>> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
>> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
>> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
>> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
>> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
>> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
>> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
>> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
>> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
>> and handles like a Roadeo.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>>> would be a Roadeo.
>>>
>>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>>> would top the list.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
 about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
 drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
  
 I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
 total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I 
 did 
 a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
 hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
 out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never 
 once 
 uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
 something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
 just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
 apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
 irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
 were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
 they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
 that stuff fine. 
  

 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
> I would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
> was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
> rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and 
> floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm 
> below my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less 
> hands problems on long rides. 
> Don Compton
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Toshi, 
You and I have just illustrated the virtue of Grant's designs. The Roadeo 
can work for many.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I use Grand Bois Cypress 700x30 tires on mine--the skinniest tires of any 
> bike I own.  The comments I get on some rides are, "Wow, that dude is 
> riding on like cyclocross tires or something."  
> My motto is as the hill gets steeper go to a lower gear, so I have a 
> "fancy" 10-spd compatible Sugino triple crank with 12-27 cassette.  
> Wonderful ride. I always wonder if a 650b custom "Roadeo" may be the 
> perfect Randonneur bike, although my 650b Ram is pretty near perfect for 
> me...
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Bill Lindsay]

Holy CRAP!  Don Compton was all-conference in a year where both Peter 
Jacobsen (Oregon) and Craig Stadler (USC) competed in the conference. 
 That's no freaking joke.  Hat's off (and Go Bears!)

Bill class-of-1991-and-1999-and-2001 Lindsay

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 8:12:49 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> Patrick,
> When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I 
> was a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from 
> back problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace 
> jogging with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have 
> never raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
> losing that I had with golf.
> Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
> longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
> up and left home my wife entered the sport.
> After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
> you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
> still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
> ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
> last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
> have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
> flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
> the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
> and handles like a Roadeo.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
>> would be a Roadeo.
>>
>> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
>> would top the list.)
>>
>> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
>>> about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
>>> drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
>>>  
>>> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me 
>>> total confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did 
>>> a rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was 
>>> hilly and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned 
>>> out that way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once 
>>> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
>>> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
>>> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
>>> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
>>> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
>>> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
>>> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
>>> that stuff fine. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
 After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought 
 I would give and update. 
 Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
 was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
 rides.
 Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
 makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
 just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
 hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
 And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below 
 my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
 problems on long rides. 
 Don Compton

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
When I was young and stupid, high performance cars were my bad habit. I was 
a golfer ( all Pac 8 1974 ) and loved cars. Well, I had suffered from back 
problems , even in college. At the ripe old age of 33, I replace jogging 
with cycling. I eventually replaced golf with road cycling. I have never 
raced. I just didn't want to have the same love-hate with winning and 
losing that I had with golf.
Well, I just enjoyed cycling so much ( meeting new friends who became 
longterm friends ) and the wonderful obsession began. After our kids grew 
up and left home my wife entered the sport.
After some major digression from the original discussion, I want to tell 
you this story. I have bought so many bikes( you can't even imagine and I 
still think that Grant 's designs are so perfect for club riders), I just 
ride my Roadeo. I currently weigh 186 and have been as low as 162 in the 
last years. Frame weight is so overrated. Underatted is how fun it is to 
have a great handling bike with all your shifters and whatever working 
flawlessly. Nobody is going to race a Roadeo, but many are missing out on 
the fun of riding at lower levels of effort and enjoying a bike that rides 
and handles like a Roadeo.


On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap 
> would be a Roadeo.
>
> (Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo 
> would top the list.)
>
> Thanks for the descriptions of handling.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine 
>> about even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the 
>> drops on my Mark's bar fine. 
>>  
>> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me total 
>> confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did a 
>> rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was hilly 
>> and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned out that 
>> way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once 
>> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
>> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
>> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
>> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
>> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
>> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
>> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
>> that stuff fine. 
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>>> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought I 
>>> would give and update. 
>>> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just 
>>> was an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile 
>>> rides.
>>> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
>>> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
>>> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
>>>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
>>> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
>>> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below 
>>> my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
>>> problems on long rides. 
>>> Don Compton
>>>
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[RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Michael Hechmer]

Yes, these road bikes are a joy in the hills.  Glad to read of your joy. 
 And for the record, I too like my bars high  - 2 cm below the saddle. 
 That allows me to get a little lower going downhill, and makes it easier 
to stand and rock the bike when I want to.

Michael

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:26:02 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
>
> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought I 
> would give and update.
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just was 
> an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below my 
> saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
> problems on long rides. 
> Don Compton
>

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[RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When I first got into bicycling as an adult back in 1995, I bought a book 
and the author recommended setting the handleabars "about an inch or two 
below the saddle, for comfort".  Even then, I had the LBS set up my first 
bike with handlebars well above the saddle and I was young, in good shape 
and not fat back then!  



On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:48:22 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> That's nice to hear someone on this list describe their bars as "high" at 
> 1cm below saddle height!
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Patrick Moore]

If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap
would be a Roadeo.

(Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo
would top the list.)

Thanks for the descriptions of handling.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:

> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine about
> even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the drops
> on my Mark's bar fine.
>
> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me total
> confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did a
> rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was hilly
> and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned out that
> way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once
> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it,
> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was
> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it;
> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and
> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders
> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how
> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle
> that stuff fine.
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
>> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought I
>> would give and update.
>> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just was
>> an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile rides.
>> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics
>> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's
>> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating
>>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from
>> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
>> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below
>> my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands
>> problems on long rides.
>> Don Compton
>>
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[RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[RJM]

Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine about 
even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the drops 
on my Mark's bar fine. 
 
I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me total 
confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did a 
rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was hilly 
and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned out that 
way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once 
uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
that stuff fine. 
 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought I 
> would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just was 
> an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below my 
> saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
> problems on long rides. 
> Don Compton
>

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Paul G]

Don, are you riding Extra Leger or standard casing Grand Bois Cerfs?

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Minh]

Don,

you're killing me with this praise of the GB Cerfs, i have a pair in the 
box waiting to be mounted!  though why only 28mm?  if 28mm is good 32 is 
better?  

In my case i max out at 28, so no other option, i really need to get these 
mounted while the weather is nice.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 10:24:36 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:

 After about 600 miles and a few hills, and using the 700x28 Grand Bois 
 Cerfs, this bike is just phenomenal. The bike weighs about 20lbs without 
 water and my tool pack. The weight is insignificant on uphills and the 
 handling on downhills is , well, Rivendellishly awesome.



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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Paul G]

 

I'll kindly let Don speak for himself.

 

The following opinions are based on a 160lb body weight and a 61cm Roadeo, 
currently with non-racy components and no fenders, that weighs about 24lbs.

I've tried GB 28mm and GB 32mm Extra Leger (closer to 30 in reality) on 
23mm rims on my Roadeo and I think the 28mm handle better for pure road 
riding with fast twisty descents. The 28mm have a sharper response to 
steering while still retaining the solid straight line stability. If I want 
the best handling I've had on this bike thus far, I put these on. I inflate 
these at about 60F 70R PSI.

The 32 EL tires feel slightly more squirrely and less sure footed when 
inflated to the slightly lower pressures that give the best ride quality. 
If I pump them up more than that to compensate, the ride quality diminishes 
to the point that I might as well be rolling on the 28mm anyway. I will 
say, though, that in less demanding conditions the 32 EL do feel really 
nice and seem to have very low rolling resistance. If I'm riding longer 
distances with lots of straight line riding with rough or smooth surfaces, 
these are perfect. I run these about 45F 60R

As a side note, the Jack Brown Greens on the same bike and wheels feel even 
more stable (less wanting to turn in) and are super cushy (assuming proper 
low pressures) when compared to the others above. I think these have the 
best ride quality of the three. They are also noticeably heavier and make 
the bike feel, to me, less sporty and more ponderous, but have more of that 
plow-through-stuff feeling which is actually kind of nice when I'm not 
concerned with speed. They stabilize the bike when I'm using a saddle bag 
and feel nice when commuting, but do feel like they spin up more slowly 
when accelerating from intersections. They just barely fit under SKS 
fenders on my Roadeo. I personally would not choose these if a light, 
sporty feel is desired, but other factors such as body and cargo weight 
play a role too. I run these only slightly less than the GB 32 EL at about 
40F 55R. They just feel really sluggish to me if they get any lower.

The amount of flats I get seems about the same for all three models. Maybe 
slightly more on the Jack Brown Greens if there's a difference.

On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:30:46 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote:

Don,

 

you're killing me with this praise of the GB Cerfs, i have a pair in the 
box waiting to be mounted!  though why only 28mm?  if 28mm is good 32 is 
better?  

 

In my case i max out at 28, so no other option, i really need to get these 
mounted while the weather is nice.

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Don Compton]

I weigh about 178 lbs and my Roadeo is a 59cm. I tried the new 32cm Compass 
( not extra light) and I just prefer 28's.I don't ride many gravel roads, 
but many rough, paved roads. For me, the 28's seem to be a great compromise 
between a nice ride and lively handling.

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using 700x28 
 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r. It's like 
 I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The 
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on 
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don 


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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Don Compton]

After about 600 miles and a few hills, and using the 700x28 Grand Bois 
Cerfs, this bike is just phenomenal. The bike weighs about 20lbs without 
water and my tool pack. The weight is insignificant on uphills and the 
handling on downhills is , well, Rivendellishly awesome.

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using 700x28 
 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r. It's like 
 I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The 
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on 
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don 


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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[RJM]

Congrats on it. The Roadeo is a really great road frame...I love mine. 
 

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:19:18 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using 700x28 
 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r. It's like 
 I search for bumpy roads. 
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The 
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on 
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don 


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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Paul G]

I'm sure all would agree that pictures are mandatory! ;-)

28mm Grand Bois tires on the Roadeo are my favorites for sporty handling 
during fast, twisty descents. 23mm rims.

I've also tried Jack Brown Greens. They give a more sure-footed stable feel 
for city commuting with a saddle bag but are too stable feeling for me on 
twisty descents. They also roll noticeably (to me) slower, but gain that 
plow through stuff feeling that is really nice.

I currently have 30mm GB Cypres Extra Legers on the Roadeo. They feel like 
they roll the fastest and smoothest with the most vibration damping but the 
sidewalls are really fragile. I accidentally rubbed a sidewall against a 
rough asphalt curb and ruined a virtually new rear tire that way. There's a 
durability tradeoff, but they are really fast feeling and smooth...but I 
still like the handling feel of the 28's mentioned above better I think.

Paul

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Don Compton]

On another note, after many $$ spent, I have finally found a saddle that I 
can live with, a Specialized Phenom mountain bike saddle. Pure Heaven.
I loved the old B-17's for years, but the hump finally got me.

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using 700x28 
 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r. It's like 
 I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The 
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on 
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don 


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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Don Compton]

Here you go

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using 700x28 
 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r. It's like 
 I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The 
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on 
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don 


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Re: [RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Patrick Moore]

Lovely.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Don Compton dpco...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here you go

 On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using
 700x28 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r.
 It's like I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo

[Wayne Naha]

Sounds great!  Congratulations.

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 11:19:18 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:

 My new Roadeo, as expected, has been a pleasure to ride. I am using 700x28 
 Grand Bois tires with 23mm wide rims pumped up 60psi fr, 70psi r. It's like 
 I search for bumpy roads.
 On another subject, I equipped the bike with the new Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
 , wide range group. I have a 50/34 crankset with an 11-32 cassette. The 
 revelation with this combination is that I can ride as slow as I want on 
 steep hills and not get bogged down.
 For a club rider like myself (63 yo ), the bike is perfect.
 Don 


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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo RCP

[kps]

thanks, Nathan!  it IS a blast to ride...quick AND comfortable.  i'm
loving it.
-k

On Jun 25, 2:37 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kim, what a beautiful bike! Enjoy it. Looks like a blast to ride.

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo RCP

[JoelMatthews]

 Lovely; and exactly my size. I'd swap out the Brooks for a Flite, old style,
 and the Noodles for 44 cm 185s (and lower them considerably) on an 8 cm
 Pearl; and use Looks of some sort. Probably a 32/46 or so and a
 14-15-16-17-18-19-21-24 8 speed with the 46 set up centered on the cassette;
 or hell, just a single 46 t ring; that would give me a 51 bottom gear which
 is far lower than the 66 to 75 that I climb in now. I bet I could break 20
 lb without trying. 23 mm tires, of course.

Perhaps select a different frame while you are at it.

On Jun 25, 2:09 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lovely; and exactly my size. I'd swap out the Brooks for a Flite, old style,
 and the Noodles for 44 cm 185s (and lower them considerably) on an 8 cm
 Pearl; and use Looks of some sort. Probably a 32/46 or so and a
 14-15-16-17-18-19-21-24 8 speed with the 46 set up centered on the cassette;
 or hell, just a single 46 t ring; that would give me a 51 bottom gear which
 is far lower than the 66 to 75 that I climb in now. I bet I could break 20
 lb without trying. 23 mm tires, of course.

 But no, I shall resist. My next bike will be one to replace my Modified
 Monocog and the Sam Hill, a touring bike that will take 70 mm tires and
 fenders.





 On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:58 AM, kps kshe...@gmail.com wrote:
  finally, my Roadeo has been built up and i'm riding it and starting to
  dial-in the set up.  i'm very, very pleased.  i ended up taking most
  of the parts off my wonderful, old-faithful, but still-too-small,
  Serotta Nova SL, to put them on the Roadeo.  My Roadeo is a 57 cm, and
  though i could easily have ridden the 59 according to my PBH (84.45),
  the top tube would have been too long, i think.  Grant said i could
  use a shorter stem, but it would have been VERY short, for as it is,
  with the 57, i'm using a 7cm tech deluxe (started with an 8, but the 7
  is better for my reach).
  stem length aside, the build is as follows:

  57 Roadeo (56.5 tt)
  campy 8 speed chorus (early 90s) Ergo
  chorus or record headset (early 90s)
  chorus seat post
  Brooks B-17 Ti (might swap to the Finesse)
  Nitto 7 cm Technomic Deluxe stem
  Nitto Noodle (42 cm) bar
  Tektro BM 57 brakes
  Pasela 28s (these were on the wheelset on the Serotta--i'll probably
  try the JB greens soon)
  newer Veloce (lettering removed) compact crank (50/34)
  Phil BB
  13-26 cassette
  VO pedals (not set on these yet), will probably put MKS Streams on the
  bike

  i took a few photos in the very late afternoon, yesterday, and they're
  posted on my Flickr page, if you're interested.  More photos to
  follow, i'm sure.  ;-)  here's the link:  http://tinyurl.com/29nucu2

  thanks to grant and to mark for walking me through the process of
  choosing my frame, and also, for allowing me to request RCP and clear
  decals too!  one note:  i forgot to mention to my LBS that the decals
  are on the OUTSIDE of the clear coat, and in the process of building
  up the bike, the decals got a bit mangled.  i took the top ring of the
  seat tube decal off, and might remove the bottom ring to preserve the
  symmetry.  then again, i might not.   ;-)

  oh, for those who wonder, my set up (not including the water bottle),
  but including saddle and pedals, weighed in right at 22 pounds.

  kim

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Re: [RBW] Re: my new Roadeo RCP

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On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:33 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:

  Lovely; and exactly my size. I'd swap out the Brooks for a Flite, old
 style,
  and the Noodles for 44 cm 185s (and lower them considerably) on an 8 cm
  Pearl; and use Looks of some sort. Probably a 32/46 or so and a
  14-15-16-17-18-19-21-24 8 speed with the 46 set up centered on the
 cassette;
  or hell, just a single 46 t ring; that would give me a 51 bottom gear
 which
  is far lower than the 66 to 75 that I climb in now. I bet I could break
 20
  lb without trying. 23 mm tires, of course.

 Perhaps select a different frame while you are at it.

 Huh? Why? The point *is* the Roadeo, no?

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo RCP

[JoelMatthews]

  Huh? Why?

Humor has never been my forte.  Meant to be a light hearted reference
to the many things you would do different from the OP's build.

On Jun 25, 2:39 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:33 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
   Lovely; and exactly my size. I'd swap out the Brooks for a Flite, old
  style,
   and the Noodles for 44 cm 185s (and lower them considerably) on an 8 cm
   Pearl; and use Looks of some sort. Probably a 32/46 or so and a
   14-15-16-17-18-19-21-24 8 speed with the 46 set up centered on the
  cassette;
   or hell, just a single 46 t ring; that would give me a 51 bottom gear
  which
   is far lower than the 66 to 75 that I climb in now. I bet I could break
  20
   lb without trying. 23 mm tires, of course.

  Perhaps select a different frame while you are at it.

  Huh? Why? The point *is* the Roadeo, no?

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[RBW] Re: my new Roadeo RCP

[JoelMatthews]

KPS:  Now that I am home and seeing this on my Mac, I really like the
minimalist clear coat with black tape contrast.  Very purposeful.

Be very interested in hearing ride comparison with your Serotta.

On Jun 25, 10:58 am, kps kshe...@gmail.com wrote:
 finally, my Roadeo has been built up and i'm riding it and starting to
 dial-in the set up.  i'm very, very pleased.  i ended up taking most
 of the parts off my wonderful, old-faithful, but still-too-small,
 Serotta Nova SL, to put them on the Roadeo.  My Roadeo is a 57 cm, and
 though i could easily have ridden the 59 according to my PBH (84.45),
 the top tube would have been too long, i think.  Grant said i could
 use a shorter stem, but it would have been VERY short, for as it is,
 with the 57, i'm using a 7cm tech deluxe (started with an 8, but the 7
 is better for my reach).
 stem length aside, the build is as follows:

 57 Roadeo (56.5 tt)
 campy 8 speed chorus (early 90s) Ergo
 chorus or record headset (early 90s)
 chorus seat post
 Brooks B-17 Ti (might swap to the Finesse)
 Nitto 7 cm Technomic Deluxe stem
 Nitto Noodle (42 cm) bar
 Tektro BM 57 brakes
 Pasela 28s (these were on the wheelset on the Serotta--i'll probably
 try the JB greens soon)
 newer Veloce (lettering removed) compact crank (50/34)
 Phil BB
 13-26 cassette
 VO pedals (not set on these yet), will probably put MKS Streams on the
 bike

 i took a few photos in the very late afternoon, yesterday, and they're
 posted on my Flickr page, if you're interested.  More photos to
 follow, i'm sure.  ;-)  here's the link:  http://tinyurl.com/29nucu2

 thanks to grant and to mark for walking me through the process of
 choosing my frame, and also, for allowing me to request RCP and clear
 decals too!  one note:  i forgot to mention to my LBS that the decals
 are on the OUTSIDE of the clear coat, and in the process of building
 up the bike, the decals got a bit mangled.  i took the top ring of the
 seat tube decal off, and might remove the bottom ring to preserve the
 symmetry.  then again, i might not.   ;-)

 oh, for those who wonder, my set up (not including the water bottle),
 but including saddle and pedals, weighed in right at 22 pounds.

 kim

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