Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I will vote for the email version of the group. (all of my groups actually). I set up a folder/filter and all of my bike related emails go into a separate folder. I can scroll the threads on my computer, my iPad or my cellphone. Since its Gmail based, I can read it anywhere on any device and everything stays in sync. I figure in actuality, I read maybe 10% of the posts, but when a 'star' a thread, I tend to read them all. Try the email version, you might like it. Cheers, Scott On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I find it pretty comforting that in the world somewhere there are a good amount of people that enjoy talking about steel bikes and getting them dirty. Granted a lot of them(myself included) are kind of weird. But weird in a good way. Photo evidence by Stephen. http://flic.kr/p/eeT2Hk -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Jim does a great job moderating this forum. The quick route out of being moderated is to communicate with Jim - he is a really nice guy. On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:56:16 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote: Julian W, I understand how you might feel It promotes an atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent. but I think the idea is to make sure posters are not fly by night cranks bent on creating negative energy. Go read the classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicyc...@googlegroups.comjavascript:, then you'll appreciate the moderating in this group. Best, Hugh On Monday, April 29, 2013 8:30:42 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: Julian, I agree. It rubbed me the wrong way. It promotes an atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent. I can see where people just wouldn't bother. Matt On Monday, April 29, 2013 6:23:37 AM UTC-7, Julian wrote: One possible issue may be that on this list posts of newer or less-frequent members seem to be held for a day or two before showing up (or at least that's my experience). I've commented a few times on posts but my replies tend to hit the list a day or two after the conversation has moved on. Assuming this is not just my imagination, but an actual moderator position/decision to filter new posters it makes me (and, perhaps. other new and/or infrequent posters) less likely to comment next time (if so, that's not necessarily a critique of moderators, just an observation of one possible side-effect of active moderation) . Regards, Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
As a daily reader and probably a once-a-month or so poster, I think this is a great forum with a wealth of information. It is always my go-to place to search for an answer, ask the question if search failed, or to sell Riv stuff that did not work out for me (I have bought quite a bit of stuff too...). Jim does a great job with moderating. I too belong to other google groups and some of them are suboptimal with signal-to-noise. While the diet stuff is a bit off topic, I would guess that I am in the same age group as most people in this group and diet does factor into my ride to eat lifestyle. On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:30:12 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I think the number of active posters to this lis is fine... the traffic volume is manageable. RE: becoming un-moderated... I had the same delayed posts frustrations when I was moderated and decided that I would post at least one trip report w/ pics per week until I was unmoderated. It took about a month. I'm pretty sure Cyclofiend Jim puts more time into this group than most of us realize. Thanks, Jim. --Smitty On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I am an infrequent poster here, but I must say that I find this list to be an invaluable resource. I think I learn something new every day through this forum; I have very little to offer from a bike-tech perspective but I do typically chime in when someone posts about the various physical aches and pains which might arise when riding--I stick with my strengths and try to add information which hopefully helps some folks out :-) By way of a preview, I will be posting about an upcoming trip the Atlantis and I will be going on throughout the west of Ireland. . . there will be pics, of course, and pints ;-) Cheers! lyle On 30 April 2013 11:27, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote: I think the number of active posters to this lis is fine... the traffic volume is manageable. RE: becoming un-moderated... I had the same delayed posts frustrations when I was moderated and decided that I would post at least one trip report w/ pics per week until I was unmoderated. It took about a month. I'm pretty sure Cyclofiend Jim puts more time into this group than most of us realize. Thanks, Jim. --Smitty On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I enjoy this virtual ride we're sharing every day. Most of the more extreme delays in passing posts through and unmoderating folks occurred last year. My mother-in-law was fighting cancer, my wife was with her 24/7 for the last couple months and she succumbed the day before Christmas, 2012. I don't think I overtly stated any of that here, though I did allude to it in apologies to folks whose posts and requests were excessively neglected. I'm not trolling for sympathy - it's life. But, during that time, though I was posting very little to the group and would lose several days or weeks to other priorities, this group helped breathe a little fresh air into things. Sometimes the most wonderful thing in the world is to think about something simple, beautiful and normal. Cycling and bikes have been there at several difficult periods of my life, patiently waited for me to catch up and nudged me along again. So, the true thanks goes to all of you who take a little time out of each day to share the good they've found, the knowledge they've gained, or the chuckle they've had. It does more than you'd think. all the best and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclofiend.com / list admin / bike rider -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Wow. Thanks for sharing that, Jim, and for all you do for our group. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cyclofiend Jim Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:57 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years. Thanks to everyone for the kind words. I enjoy this virtual ride we're sharing every day. Most of the more extreme delays in passing posts through and unmoderating folks occurred last year. My mother-in-law was fighting cancer, my wife was with her 24/7 for the last couple months and she succumbed the day before Christmas, 2012. I don't think I overtly stated any of that here, though I did allude to it in apologies to folks whose posts and requests were excessively neglected. I'm not trolling for sympathy - it's life. But, during that time, though I was posting very little to the group and would lose several days or weeks to other priorities, this group helped breathe a little fresh air into things. Sometimes the most wonderful thing in the world is to think about something simple, beautiful and normal. Cycling and bikes have been there at several difficult periods of my life, patiently waited for me to catch up and nudged me along again. So, the true thanks goes to all of you who take a little time out of each day to share the good they've found, the knowledge they've gained, or the chuckle they've had. It does more than you'd think. all the best and enjoy the ride! - Jim / cyclofiend.com / list admin / bike rider -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I do the web thing for this group. Mostly because I cannot stand to look at email, in fact I don't even know which email is set up for this group. I should probably figure that out though. I know I have lost threads or posts because of it, which isn't good. I just like forum formats better than email. This group is awesome though and the subject is right up my alley. It's a daily read for me, but I don't post as often as I would like. Another thing I should change. On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:13:19 AM UTC-5, Skenry wrote: I will vote for the email version of the group. (all of my groups actually). I set up a folder/filter and all of my bike related emails go into a separate folder. I can scroll the threads on my computer, my iPad or my cellphone. Since its Gmail based, I can read it anywhere on any device and everything stays in sync. I figure in actuality, I read maybe 10% of the posts, but when a 'star' a thread, I tend to read them all. Try the email version, you might like it. Cheers, Scott On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Manuel Acosta manueljo...@hotmail.comjavascript: wrote: I find it pretty comforting that in the world somewhere there are a good amount of people that enjoy talking about steel bikes and getting them dirty. Granted a lot of them(myself included) are kind of weird. But weird in a good way. Photo evidence by Stephen. http://flic.kr/p/eeT2Hk -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Since the OP put up the first post on this thread, list traffic has quadrupled. And I literally mean figuratively quadrupled. To paraphrase a certain veep... On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Wow. Thanks for sharing that, Jim, and for all you do for our group. ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Yeah, but do you wax your chain? Lee SF, CA On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:56:09 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Bike shimmy. Cheers, David On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Joe K kub...@aol.com javascript:wrote: Longtime Riv custom owner here. I bike all the time, mostly to get about, sometimes for the fun of a longer ride with friends. I really enjoy reading the erudite comments of the posters here, and their willingness to answer questions. I do basic bike maintenance but am not handy with the more complex things. I feel I would comment more if I had more to offer. In sum, I am grateful for this site. Joe K On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:15:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote: I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but relatively few of us are on here. I don't necessarily find it surprising though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it. Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and interesting to me. Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but a lot of it. On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
One possible issue may be that on this list posts of newer or less-frequent members seem to be held for a day or two before showing up (or at least that's my experience). I've commented a few times on posts but my replies tend to hit the list a day or two after the conversation has moved on. Assuming this is not just my imagination, but an actual moderator position/decision to filter new posters it makes me (and, perhaps. other new and/or infrequent posters) less likely to comment next time (if so, that's not necessarily a critique of moderators, just an observation of one possible side-effect of active moderation) . Regards, Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are both free and MUCH more user friendly. Google groups is almost like using DOS compared to the better formats out there. Also, I still have a long delay between when I post and when the post appears so it makes me reluctant to post as much. Other than that, I enjoy the discussion here and it's a great place for information on a specific type of riding that interests me (all-purpose bikes that are comfortable). On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 17:34 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote: I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are both free and MUCH more user friendly. Google groups is almost like using DOS compared to the better formats out there. Such as what? As far as I'm concerned, I've yet to see anything more user friendly than email. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Just to address the comments about moderation: At this point, I'm still the bottleneck. No one else is co-moderating posts. I release moderated comments in one of two ways - the first is via email. If I reply to notification of a moderated post, it goes through. This is quicker, but does not change the moderation status of a new member. So, I've tended to use it less and less. The second method is via the web interface. I have to be logged in, but can 1) post with no change to status, 2) post and update status, 3) delete and ban user and 4) delete post. I've been trying to use this method more frequently, as it allows me to pass through newer users in one step. Otherwise, I have to access the specific account and manually select and change the status. If someone emails me directly, I'll generally make the change manually. But, since I'm doing this for love rather than money, I try to keep the bulk of the changes efficient. Which means that when a new user posts for a second or third time, the bell finally goes off in my brain and I recognize the name. If it's not snarky, off-topic, related to a buy/sell transaction or some other reasonable trigger, then I'll pass it through and change the status. Statuses are updated by checking a box and then selecting an action, which means there's an imperfect variable (me) involved. Sometimes, I've got 20 or 30 spam tries sitting to be moderated, and one valid post. I have, upon occasion accidentally deleted (and banned) all of them with an errant keystroke (you guessed it, there is no Undo for that). More commonly, there are 3 or 4 for sale posts and a new user's interesting and on-topic post get's passed through without updating their status. Sometimes I can recall the persons identity and find them. Most of the time I figure they will post again and I'll get it the next time. All that (painstakingly) being said, I've changed some things around so that I'm passing things through 2 or 3 times a day, so there shouldn't be an excessive delay unless I'm in the studio or away from all internet access. Thanks again to all for their contributions to this list. - Jim / List Admin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Why are you using Google Groups to read this mailing list? Google Groups's interface is horrible, or was the last I looked at it. Subscribe to get the posts by e-mail; I find the gap between sending and receiving to be quite fast. Tim On Apr 28, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Chris Lampe clampe1...@cox.net wrote: I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are both free and MUCH more user friendly. Google groups is almost like using DOS compared to the better formats out there. Also, I still have a long delay between when I post and when the post appears so it makes me reluctant to post as much. Other than that, I enjoy the discussion here and it's a great place for information on a specific type of riding that interests me (all-purpose bikes that are comfortable). On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I visit and use this group like an internet forum and have never used the e-mail function. If the majority of the people access this group via e-mail (something that never even crossed my mind as an option), then I guess it's a good way to go. I'm just used to manually visiting a forum and scrolling thru topics so that's the bias thru which I view Google groups. Heck, maybe e-mail access is what defines an Internet group. I've never been part of one before. On Monday, April 29, 2013 10:51:29 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 17:34 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote: I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are both free and MUCH more user friendly. Google groups is almost like using DOS compared to the better formats out there. Such as what? As far as I'm concerned, I've yet to see anything more user friendly than email. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Jim: Many thanks to you for your patience and attention to this forum. The entire process appears to be magic to me, so I am grateful to people like you who make it work. dougP On Monday, April 29, 2013 9:00:14 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Just to address the comments about moderation: At this point, I'm still the bottleneck. No one else is co-moderating posts. I release moderated comments in one of two ways - the first is via email. If I reply to notification of a moderated post, it goes through. This is quicker, but does not change the moderation status of a new member. So, I've tended to use it less and less. The second method is via the web interface. I have to be logged in, but can 1) post with no change to status, 2) post and update status, 3) delete and ban user and 4) delete post. I've been trying to use this method more frequently, as it allows me to pass through newer users in one step. Otherwise, I have to access the specific account and manually select and change the status. If someone emails me directly, I'll generally make the change manually. But, since I'm doing this for love rather than money, I try to keep the bulk of the changes efficient. Which means that when a new user posts for a second or third time, the bell finally goes off in my brain and I recognize the name. If it's not snarky, off-topic, related to a buy/sell transaction or some other reasonable trigger, then I'll pass it through and change the status. Statuses are updated by checking a box and then selecting an action, which means there's an imperfect variable (me) involved. Sometimes, I've got 20 or 30 spam tries sitting to be moderated, and one valid post. I have, upon occasion accidentally deleted (and banned) all of them with an errant keystroke (you guessed it, there is no Undo for that). More commonly, there are 3 or 4 for sale posts and a new user's interesting and on-topic post get's passed through without updating their status. Sometimes I can recall the persons identity and find them. Most of the time I figure they will post again and I'll get it the next time. All that (painstakingly) being said, I've changed some things around so that I'm passing things through 2 or 3 times a day, so there shouldn't be an excessive delay unless I'm in the studio or away from all internet access. Thanks again to all for their contributions to this list. - Jim / List Admin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 10:02 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote: I visit and use this group like an internet forum and have never used the e-mail function. If the majority of the people access this group via e-mail (something that never even crossed my mind as an option), then I guess it's a good way to go. I'm just used to manually visiting a forum and scrolling thru topics so that's the bias thru which I view Google groups. Heck, maybe e-mail access is what defines an Internet group. I've never been part of one before. Try it, you'll like it! I find POP email is much superior to both web email access and web access to google groups forums. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Tim Mac, I seem to recall that you access the web on a Mac you've owned since around 1994. Is that still true? I've never had much trouble with Google Groups. Then again, I'm not a connoisseur. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I second Doug's comment. I did have delays when really new to the group nothing excessive though and understandable. It seems my posts now go though immediately.. I use the web interface as it seems easy to scroll through the posts and select the ones I'm interested in, email seems too laborious, just my preference though what ever works for you. Best, Hugh Sunland, CA On Monday, April 29, 2013 9:00:14 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Just to address the comments about moderation: At this point, I'm still the bottleneck. No one else is co-moderating posts. I release moderated comments in one of two ways - the first is via email. If I reply to notification of a moderated post, it goes through. This is quicker, but does not change the moderation status of a new member. So, I've tended to use it less and less. The second method is via the web interface. I have to be logged in, but can 1) post with no change to status, 2) post and update status, 3) delete and ban user and 4) delete post. I've been trying to use this method more frequently, as it allows me to pass through newer users in one step. Otherwise, I have to access the specific account and manually select and change the status. If someone emails me directly, I'll generally make the change manually. But, since I'm doing this for love rather than money, I try to keep the bulk of the changes efficient. Which means that when a new user posts for a second or third time, the bell finally goes off in my brain and I recognize the name. If it's not snarky, off-topic, related to a buy/sell transaction or some other reasonable trigger, then I'll pass it through and change the status. Statuses are updated by checking a box and then selecting an action, which means there's an imperfect variable (me) involved. Sometimes, I've got 20 or 30 spam tries sitting to be moderated, and one valid post. I have, upon occasion accidentally deleted (and banned) all of them with an errant keystroke (you guessed it, there is no Undo for that). More commonly, there are 3 or 4 for sale posts and a new user's interesting and on-topic post get's passed through without updating their status. Sometimes I can recall the persons identity and find them. Most of the time I figure they will post again and I'll get it the next time. All that (painstakingly) being said, I've changed some things around so that I'm passing things through 2 or 3 times a day, so there shouldn't be an excessive delay unless I'm in the studio or away from all internet access. Thanks again to all for their contributions to this list. - Jim / List Admin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
No, I have updated. You may be thinking of my 1998 iMac which was finally unplugged about three months ago. I bought an iBook in 2005, which I still have, and a MacBook Pro a couple of years ago. I tote a laptop to work for writing reports. I've got my iPad, too, which I use at home for surfing the web and for travel. My 1986 Mac 512Ke lived until just a few years ago, after passing from my hands to the son of my college roommate to his aunt to a convent where it published church bulletins or something. But I have the same cell phone I have had for at least 10 years. It's held together with tape and the numbers are worn off the keypad. It can receive and send text messages although I don't know how to send a text. I'm a cell phone Luddite! Hmm... I have a 1996 All-Rounder, a mid-90s Ritchey, a 1990 Volvo 240- and I live in a 1908 house. I wonder if maybe I don't like new stuff? Tim On Apr 29, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Tim Mac, I seem to recall that you access the web on a Mac you've owned since around 1994. Is that still true? I've never had much trouble with Google Groups. Then again, I'm not a connoisseur. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Julian, I agree. It rubbed me the wrong way. It promotes an atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent. I can see where people just wouldn't bother. Matt On Monday, April 29, 2013 6:23:37 AM UTC-7, Julian wrote: One possible issue may be that on this list posts of newer or less-frequent members seem to be held for a day or two before showing up (or at least that's my experience). I've commented a few times on posts but my replies tend to hit the list a day or two after the conversation has moved on. Assuming this is not just my imagination, but an actual moderator position/decision to filter new posters it makes me (and, perhaps. other new and/or infrequent posters) less likely to comment next time (if so, that's not necessarily a critique of moderators, just an observation of one possible side-effect of active moderation) . Regards, Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Julian W, I understand how you might feel It promotes an atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent. but I think the idea is to make sure posters are not fly by night cranks bent on creating negative energy. Go read the classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicyc...@googlegroups.com, then you'll appreciate the moderating in this group. Best, Hugh On Monday, April 29, 2013 8:30:42 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: Julian, I agree. It rubbed me the wrong way. It promotes an atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent. I can see where people just wouldn't bother. Matt On Monday, April 29, 2013 6:23:37 AM UTC-7, Julian wrote: One possible issue may be that on this list posts of newer or less-frequent members seem to be held for a day or two before showing up (or at least that's my experience). I've commented a few times on posts but my replies tend to hit the list a day or two after the conversation has moved on. Assuming this is not just my imagination, but an actual moderator position/decision to filter new posters it makes me (and, perhaps. other new and/or infrequent posters) less likely to comment next time (if so, that's not necessarily a critique of moderators, just an observation of one possible side-effect of active moderation) . Regards, Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I find it pretty comforting that in the world somewhere there are a good amount of people that enjoy talking about steel bikes and getting them dirty. Granted a lot of them(myself included) are kind of weird. But weird in a good way. Photo evidence by Stephen. http://flic.kr/p/eeT2Hk -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Proves my argument from our Trout Unlimited chapter board meeting yesterday. Texas has one chapter, Guadalupe River, it's also the state council, has 5000 members and is the 3rd largest business unit within the national organization, behind Michigan and New York state councils. Somebody said we could save money printing newsletters by forcing people to opt in if they want to receive printed newsletters rather than online. No, opting out is great, but if the choice is to opt in, we lose communication with 4000 of those 5000 members, and that communication is part of our directive. They need to know that we're working to restore native Rio Grande cutthroat trout in McKittrick Canyon. On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
In my experience founding/moderating other similar groups (brain injury support), a small percentage of the folks registered participate regularly. The majority read and absorb the posts, gaining from the group, and some portion are registered and never check the list. I took a year after owning my Hunqa before deciding to pop on here. I've been delighted I have, with such great people sharing a passion for the ecosystem of topics surrounding Rivendell. Part of it may simply be the low profile of the group on the Rivendell site. I heard about it from a Riv. elf when I asked a question. Great question, check the brain trust on the Riv. Group. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:30:12 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I didn't even know of this forum until last year, although I've been a Riv reader subscriber since day one, and I've owned a Rivendell for four years now. It came about because I was looking for a part of something (don't recall what it was), and Dave (I think it was Dave) suggested I try the group. So glad he did. What a fantastic resource. On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: In my experience founding/moderating other similar groups (brain injury support), a small percentage of the folks registered participate regularly. The majority read and absorb the posts, gaining from the group, and some portion are registered and never check the list. I took a year after owning my Hunqa before deciding to pop on here. I've been delighted I have, with such great people sharing a passion for the ecosystem of topics surrounding Rivendell. Part of it may simply be the low profile of the group on the Rivendell site. I heard about it from a Riv. elf when I asked a question. Great question, check the brain trust on the Riv. Group. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:30:12 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Point of Order: There are 2339 members as of today, 4/28/13 Separate from the accounting, I like to think of this list as a focused resource. Now that the archiving bugaboos have been largely sorted out by google, the information which you can access from previous list posts and discussions is pretty significant. I do think that for all the basic questions which pop up (and just to be clear, basic questions are great!) there is some noticeable search activity which goes on as well. I don't think we are at all unique in that we have a smaller number of actively posting members. Where I like to think we differ is in the quality of the discussion. We don't need to argue that this year's drivetrain system is better than last year's, nor do we need to vouch for why the newest wrinkle is now and forever the latest/greatest. It can be a bit disconcerting to dive into a discussion which has been going on a while. (I mean, there are folks on this list I've been crossing paths with online for nearly two decades.) The common experience in an internet discussion is to raise a hand only to get it slapped back down. We're an exception to that. There are a whole host of reasons why folks join lists. Private notes now and again indicate that a good number of people greatly appreciate the quality of information and discussion here. Bicycles are simple tools. At least the ones which we seem to be collectively drawn to. Done right, they simple in the sense of violins or guitars - capable of realizing works of great complexity and beauty. And as they say, if you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own... ;^) Jim / list admin / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Though new to this list I felt a common Rivhood with the participants and have learned immensely in my short participation. I also belong to another group and for the most part just read and learn and don't feel I have anything to contribute to that list. With the Riv group if I have a question I'll make a post and have always received helpful information. My favorite posts on this list are the ride reports with images included, they are always inspirational and get me out to do the same! Michael's question is interesting to ponder, however I am happy with the current state of the list and appreciate Jim's moderating the broad scope of topics and the polite tone. Best, Hugh Sunland, CA On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:11:15 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote: I don't comment often, but enjoy this group a great deal. I learn much, and am entertained by the dialog, but rarely sense I have anything that would add to those who precede me. Thanks all! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I think Google Groups is an issue for some. I found internet-bob and the shortlived original Riv List to be more accessible at bikelist.org. Google has quirks that are hard to learn, and once you learn them, they update to something quirkier. Not fun. Joe fed up with Gmail for the same reasons Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 14:40 -0700, Joe Bernard wrote: I think Google Groups is an issue for some. I found internet-bob and the shortlived original Riv List to be more accessible at bikelist.org. Google has quirks that are hard to learn, and once you learn them, they update to something quirkier. Not fun. I access this list by email, same as I did when it was hosted at bikelist.org. Can't say I've seen any of those quirks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I'm with, Steve. Same experience of any mailing list. The only virtue of it being a google group is that it is easier to search, imo. -sv On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 14:40 -0700, Joe Bernard wrote: I think Google Groups is an issue for some. I found internet-bob and the shortlived original Riv List to be more accessible at bikelist.org. Google has quirks that are hard to learn, and once you learn them, they update to something quirkier. Not fun. I access this list by email, same as I did when it was hosted at bikelist.org. Can't say I've seen any of those quirks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but relatively few of us are on here. I don't necessarily find it surprising though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it. Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and interesting to me. Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but a lot of it. On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Don't get me wrong. I am not complaining. This is a valuable resource with quality posts and info, and as I have said before, *the* most pleasant bike forum I have *ever* seen. It is a pleasure to read and chat here. I like the low traffic, too. Adds to the laid back air. I was just thinking that with the few online Riv-specific resources that there are, owners aren't flooding in here just because it is one of the few to be had for them. Sure, people have lives (not that we don't). Maybe some don't have the time or the interest. Maybe some buy Riv's but just see them as any other bike to be bought and ridden and they are not that into cycling. Maybe there is something about the typical Riv owner that makes them less into using the net. Maybe they are all out on long cycling tours!! Curious business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Longtime Riv custom owner here. I bike all the time, mostly to get about, sometimes for the fun of a longer ride with friends. I really enjoy reading the erudite comments of the posters here, and their willingness to answer questions. I do basic bike maintenance but am not handy with the more complex things. I feel I would comment more if I had more to offer. In sum, I am grateful for this site. Joe K On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:15:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote: I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but relatively few of us are on here. I don't necessarily find it surprising though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it. Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and interesting to me. Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but a lot of it. On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
Bike shimmy. Cheers, David On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Joe K kube...@aol.com wrote: Longtime Riv custom owner here. I bike all the time, mostly to get about, sometimes for the fun of a longer ride with friends. I really enjoy reading the erudite comments of the posters here, and their willingness to answer questions. I do basic bike maintenance but am not handy with the more complex things. I feel I would comment more if I had more to offer. In sum, I am grateful for this site. Joe K On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:15:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote: I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but relatively few of us are on here. I don't necessarily find it surprising though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it. Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and interesting to me. Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but a lot of it. On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the modern bike scene in the US. You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for some fun chatting on these bikes. I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a handlful actively participate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
To us on the list, these facts are surprising. But true. There is another guy in town that also owns an Atlantis, I run into him maybe once a year. The first time I stopped him, I was expecting a degree of friendliness based on common ownership of a steel bike in a carbonic world. He didn't seem to think it interesting that 2 guys in the same town would have the same niche bike. When we see each other, he'll chat for a moment but then must be going. I've mentioned our So Cal Riv group but he has no interest. His bike always has panniers he told me he has no car, so that's his wheels. But as to any association with other Riv owners, he seems baffled by the idea. And he's probably not alone. dougP On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:58:22 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Based on my experience, the RBW universe is pretty diverse. Some Riv owners don't know or care who Grant Petersen is. Many don't know or care what Riv models exist in addition to whichever one they own. Believe it or not, a few Riv owners have no interest in meeting other Riv owners or in being part of anything that resembles an owners' club. Some just bought a Riv because it looked nice, and didn't spend any time delving into the back story or the nitty gritty enough to know there's an actual Riv cult. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.
It is what it is... And it's pretty good! René — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: To us on the list, these facts are surprising. But true. There is another guy in town that also owns an Atlantis, I run into him maybe once a year. The first time I stopped him, I was expecting a degree of friendliness based on common ownership of a steel bike in a carbonic world. He didn't seem to think it interesting that 2 guys in the same town would have the same niche bike. When we see each other, he'll chat for a moment but then must be going. I've mentioned our So Cal Riv group but he has no interest. His bike always has panniers he told me he has no car, so that's his wheels. But as to any association with other Riv owners, he seems baffled by the idea. And he's probably not alone. dougP On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:58:22 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Based on my experience, the RBW universe is pretty diverse. Some Riv owners don't know or care who Grant Petersen is. Many don't know or care what Riv models exist in addition to whichever one they own. Believe it or not, a few Riv owners have no interest in meeting other Riv owners or in being part of anything that resembles an owners' club. Some just bought a Riv because it looked nice, and didn't spend any time delving into the back story or the nitty gritty enough to know there's an actual Riv cult. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
