Re: [RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?
Tom I used it for packing an uncoupled bike. The next bike will be SS coupled. By undoing the front bolts on the MOTUS stem you can position the handlebars in the box (in your case the SS case) as needed. Just make sure that your cables have enough slack, or disconnects. This is very similar to what I do for my tandem when I pack it in its bikepro case. Regards Ted On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:26:38 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote: Ted: Did you use this stem for packing an SS coupled bike? I take it turning the bars wasn’t enough to get the bike into the case safely, and this stem allowed you to take the bars off altogether without affecting taping, controls, etc.? Tom *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Ted Shwartz *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:37 PM *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier? Pierre in 2001 I purchased a 3T MOTUS quill stem with removable faceplate (held on by 2 bolts). Enclosed are a couple of photos, one of which is a little blurry. They show the stem. Maybe you can find one somewhere. This is a great stem because you can pull the handlebars off without having to untape, or remove controls. Here is a listing for one on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Old-Stock-3T-Motus-Quill-Stem-w-Silver-Finish-26-0-mm-clamp-x-120-mm-/390372950036 Mine has worked for 13 years and 35,000 miles Regards Ted On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:39:00 PM UTC-4, Pierre wrote: Hello Bunch, SS-coupled Riv owners: I am getting my 59 cm Hilsen retrofitted with SS couplers. It's not a gigantic frame but not exactly a small frame either. I already anticipate a couple of issues and would like a couple of tips. 1/ Handlebar: is there such thing out there as a quill stem w/ removable front plate? is it worthwhile to investigate threadless adapter + ahead stem? 2/ Fork: (not sure yet if I'll need to remove it) anybody tried the the Velo Orange rinko headset? (or have a spare American Classic Trilock?) Anything things you've learned over the years to make packing/un-packing easy? Or add. tools/gears? Thank you. Pierre -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?
Ted: Did you use this stem for packing an SS coupled bike? I take it turning the bars wasn’t enough to get the bike into the case safely, and this stem allowed you to take the bars off altogether without affecting taping, controls, etc.? Tom From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ted Shwartz Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:37 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier? Pierre in 2001 I purchased a 3T MOTUS quill stem with removable faceplate (held on by 2 bolts). Enclosed are a couple of photos, one of which is a little blurry. They show the stem. Maybe you can find one somewhere. This is a great stem because you can pull the handlebars off without having to untape, or remove controls. Here is a listing for one on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Old-Stock-3T-Motus-Quill-Stem-w-Silver-Finish-26-0-mm-clamp-x-120-mm-/390372950036 Mine has worked for 13 years and 35,000 miles Regards Ted On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:39:00 PM UTC-4, Pierre wrote: Hello Bunch, SS-coupled Riv owners: I am getting my 59 cm Hilsen retrofitted with SS couplers. It's not a gigantic frame but not exactly a small frame either. I already anticipate a couple of issues and would like a couple of tips. 1/ Handlebar: is there such thing out there as a quill stem w/ removable front plate? is it worthwhile to investigate threadless adapter + ahead stem? 2/ Fork: (not sure yet if I'll need to remove it) anybody tried the the Velo Orange rinko headset? (or have a spare American Classic Trilock?) Anything things you've learned over the years to make packing/un-packing easy? Or add. tools/gears? Thank you. Pierre -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?
Yes, don't put the disconnect right next to the coupler, but close enough to tie the cable in place, otherwise you will need to roll the cable up and put two ties on it to keep it in place. Also, road brake cables come with two different size heads and the disconnects are specced for the smaller (Campy?) style. If you get the shimano heads you will need to file them down to fit them inside the plastic holder. I always bring a jar of phil wood hand cleaner when traveling with a bike. The tandem requires removing the timing chain and wax lubricant works better in some climates than others. Not great here in Vt. Michael On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:25:25 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote: I travel with a very large coupled touring tandem and with a 62 cm Trek. The former has an ahead stem and the latter a quill. Quill on the stem is not a problem as it fits straight down. The bilenkey web site has a good instructional on packing and I think the SS site does too, but here are some additional helpful hints from my experience. As has been pointed out, self extracting crank bolts are quicker, but not absolutely necessary. put the cable QR ( I use davinci) near the couplers. Buy some velcro wire ties and tie the cables in place right at that point. As you pack the bike take a picture after each part goes in. You'll probably forget before the next disassembly and the pictures can help. Better still,make a sheet with the pictures in sequence and keep it in the case. Label all of the foam parts by tube. When reassembling, be careful not to put a tube in backwards, or upside down. Don't laugh; it's easier than you think! Stay calm at all times. Michael On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:39:00 PM UTC-4, Pierre wrote: Hello Bunch, SS-coupled Riv owners: I am getting my 59 cm Hilsen retrofitted with SS couplers. It's not a gigantic frame but not exactly a small frame either. I already anticipate a couple of issues and would like a couple of tips. 1/ Handlebar: is there such thing out there as a quill stem w/ removable front plate? is it worthwhile to investigate threadless adapter + ahead stem? 2/ Fork: (not sure yet if I'll need to remove it) anybody tried the the Velo Orange rinko headset? (or have a spare American Classic Trilock?) Anything things you've learned over the years to make packing/un-packing easy? Or add. tools/gears? Thank you. Pierre -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?
Don't forget to keep the drivetrain clean and use a wax-based lube. Coupled bike = drivetrain all over your stuff. You can try to put one of those covers on it but your life will be better if it's fairly clean to begin with, and hotel staff will thank you. Pack some disposable nitrile gloves too. On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:39:00 PM UTC-7, Pierre wrote: Hello Bunch, SS-coupled Riv owners: I am getting my 59 cm Hilsen retrofitted with SS couplers. It's not a gigantic frame but not exactly a small frame either. I already anticipate a couple of issues and would like a couple of tips. 1/ Handlebar: is there such thing out there as a quill stem w/ removable front plate? is it worthwhile to investigate threadless adapter + ahead stem? 2/ Fork: (not sure yet if I'll need to remove it) anybody tried the the Velo Orange rinko headset? (or have a spare American Classic Trilock?) Anything things you've learned over the years to make packing/un-packing easy? Or add. tools/gears? Thank you. Pierre -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?
61 seat tube and 28cm steerer tube here. I do not need to remove my fork, but looking at various folks' packing methods online, it becomes clear that there are lots of ways to do this job. This is the best sequence I have found to date: http://sandsmachine.com/pack_r3.htm . I think it's easier and better than the old Sands guide that was colored red and blue. As suggested, print it, and keep it in the case. Other folks have responded re the stem; my only concern would be if it's an extra-long quill, a la some Rivvers, that may further complicate things. Dunno. IMO, no reason not to think about a quill adapter and an ahead-style stem. I pull my bars from my threadless stem, and leave the stem on the steerer, turned 90 degrees. If it's a standard length quill, I'd anticipate it working fine. Contrary to Michael, I like the cable splitters in a spot where I can reach them from the drive side when the bike is in the a workstand, without interference from the chainrings. So not down by the coupling. If you do mount them down by the coupling, do not mount them right on top of the couplings, as they will rattle against the couplings when you are riding. I pull my cranks. Fast and easy and it allows more flexibility. I keep a padded mailing envelope in the case for the driveside crank. I pull my chain and carefully snap the quick links back into place for storage. (Also ... carry a couple of spare quick links in your seat bag, Just do it. Cheap insurance. I have needed one once, and I have given one to a fellow rider once. Useful.) I drop the rear der but I don't remove it from its cable. I pull the front brake and bag it. Like another poster, I keep a stash of heavy-duty freezer zip-locs in my case. If your cog set is very large (wide range), it may want to collide with either the seat tube or the down tube. I used to pull my cassette, but with the above-referenced sequence I do not need to pull a 13-29 cassette. I still put a strong pad between the cassette and the adjacent tube. Experiment. With a huge cogset I don't know, it might prove worthwhile to pull the freewheel/cassette. I have some nice-quality long allens with ball drivers on the long end. They are a pleasure to use, and much faster than small allens or a combo tool. I carry 4-5-6-8. My pedals are all 6 or 8 allens. Then, of course, I have the SS spanner. With my crank puller, those are all the tools I need for assembly/disassembly. Toss a couple of clean-ish rags in the case, and a small bottle of lube. Lennard Zinn uses dishwashing gloves for assembly/disassembly; sometimes I have my act together enough to have some latex or nitrile gloves along. Make sure that all your cable stops are slotted so that you can pop the cables in and out. This is a little detail that not all SS framebuilders know about. If you have indexed shifting with adjusters on the DT, then the adjusters need to also be slotted to match, so the cables can slip out of them. It is IMO a PITA to not be able to disengage the bars from the frame, not impossible to deal with, just not as clean or easy as being able to hold the bars in your hand and tuck the cable stubs neatly around the perimeter of the box without having them trapped in the downtube guides. Ask me how I learned these things. Source a front wheel packing cap from your LBS. This is a flat little hat with a little perpendicular thing sticking out, and the little perpendicular thingie slips into the front axle, and then the hat pads the end of the axle. The front axle tends to push against the case and create a permanent bulge. Maybe my case spacers need to be a tad longer to prevent that. I have assumed that you are going to protect your frame tubes with something. I have some nice custom sleeves that came with one of my bikes. What they don't give you is some slip-on padding for your brake levers. They can rub on the side of the case, and get pretty scratched. I usually just use pipe insulation. Weigh your packed bike and make sure you aren't overweight, which is, if I recall, fifty pounds. One time I crammed to much stuff in with the bike, and I had to move things to my carry on in the middle of the check-in area, which meant that I then had to explain to TSA what each bike tool was. Buy a heavy luggage strap and put it around the case to back up the latches. The latches on SS cases are made of pot metal, and it's possible to break them. I have done it. I've gotten petty good at packing, but I haven't gotten fast. I think I did it in 40 minutes once, on the sidewalk in front of the airport, but I didn't enjoy it. I usually take my time, and take an hour. Lynn were you and your Sweetpea at the Oregon Bicycle Ride in August? Here's one of my SS bikes: https://www.flickr.com/photos/pbridge1300/14419732440/
[RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?
Lynne gave some good advice... I have a 61cm Atlantis that I have traveled with only a couple of times. I can get bike without fenders, into the hard-case without too much trouble and no need to remove fork or bars from stem. My crank arms use self-extracting 6mm bolts and have pedals that also use 6mm wrench. I pack my Nitto rear rack in my luggage with all of my clothes packed around it and use a single pannier for a carry on. Everything else bike related goes in the SS case. I do pack the special SS coupler wrench. My regular toolkit includes full-sized 4,5,6mm hex wrenches and covers everything I need. I think one of the things I like best about having SS couplers on a bike is that in normal everyday mode (fenders and racks) I can easily split the bike in two with everything else fully installed and fit in a smaller car without too much trouble. On Sunday, September 7, 2014 10:39:00 PM UTC-5, Pierre wrote: Hello Bunch, SS-coupled Riv owners: I am getting my 59 cm Hilsen retrofitted with SS couplers. It's not a gigantic frame but not exactly a small frame either. I already anticipate a couple of issues and would like a couple of tips. 1/ Handlebar: is there such thing out there as a quill stem w/ removable front plate? is it worthwhile to investigate threadless adapter + ahead stem? 2/ Fork: (not sure yet if I'll need to remove it) anybody tried the the Velo Orange rinko headset? (or have a spare American Classic Trilock?) Anything things you've learned over the years to make packing/un-packing easy? Or add. tools/gears? Thank you. Pierre -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?
ah yes, fenders. Normally, my bikes have the hammered Honjo fenders. I have not yet been brave enough to pack them. I do have a set of Planet Bike Speedez for traveling. Just put them over the tires and secure with tape. They have survived over 10 round trips stuffed in the suitcase; only maintenance has been to replace a broken rear brake bridge mount. Another hint - I have a collection of ziploc bags for the chain, skewers and pedals, lighting and computer. I have weighed each bag and written the weight on the bag. That way, if you are over allowable weight at check-in (one of those suitcase scales is a wonderful thing; I borrow my parents' before every trip), you know exactly which parts to pull out and put in your other suitcase or hand-carry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?
I travel with a very large coupled touring tandem and with a 62 cm Trek. The former has an ahead stem and the latter a quill. Quill on the stem is not a problem as it fits straight down. The bilenkey web site has a good instructional on packing and I think the SS site does too, but here are some additional helpful hints from my experience. As has been pointed out, self extracting crank bolts are quicker, but not absolutely necessary. put the cable QR ( I use davinci) near the couplers. Buy some velcro wire ties and tie the cables in place right at that point. As you pack the bike take a picture after each part goes in. You'll probably forget before the next disassembly and the pictures can help. Better still,make a sheet with the pictures in sequence and keep it in the case. Label all of the foam parts by tube. When reassembling, be careful not to put a tube in backwards, or upside down. Don't laugh; it's easier than you think! Stay calm at all times. Michael On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:39:00 PM UTC-4, Pierre wrote: Hello Bunch, SS-coupled Riv owners: I am getting my 59 cm Hilsen retrofitted with SS couplers. It's not a gigantic frame but not exactly a small frame either. I already anticipate a couple of issues and would like a couple of tips. 1/ Handlebar: is there such thing out there as a quill stem w/ removable front plate? is it worthwhile to investigate threadless adapter + ahead stem? 2/ Fork: (not sure yet if I'll need to remove it) anybody tried the the Velo Orange rinko headset? (or have a spare American Classic Trilock?) Anything things you've learned over the years to make packing/un-packing easy? Or add. tools/gears? Thank you. Pierre -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
