[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
I've owned lots of Paselas over the years and only had sidewall trouble with one, a 700/28 Tourguard folding that I bought a couple of summers ago. It immediately developed a bulge that grew over the course of a 70 or so mile ride. I was able to exchange it as defective though, and the replacement (same model/size) was fine... ...so you might try exchanging your bulged tire for a new one. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
This confirms my experience. I have had great luck with some pasellas and not so much with other. The side walls on the Tserve are much more reliable. I have wondered if ultraviolet exposure effects the roly-poly, speedblend, and pasella side walls? michael On Feb 3, 9:38 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've had that problem with multiple Pasela tires. I've had better luck with T-Serves. I'm pretty much all about Schwalbe tires now. I'm not sure what tire I'll use for randonneuring this year, I imagine T- Serves which, in spite of being heavier seem to hold up better. I got a big sidewall tear in a T-Serve but that was after a year and a half of pretty heavy use. The tear also seemed to be initiated by something environmental as opposed to just coming apart. I feel like there's never much talk about Continental tires. I used some Conti Contacts years ago and they seemed to be pretty nice although did not run true to size. I had tires marked 37 that seemed more like 33 or so. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
Also found the gumwall version of the Pasela to get those bulges. Do believe if you search the list there are a number of threads on the subject. Found the sidewall issue to appear on both folding and wire bead models. But not consistent. Have had some that were fine. Actually used to think I was over-inflating the tire. Ended up just buying a set of blackwall 35s for the Sam Hillborne. From the limited experience with those, no problems so far. BTW, Gernot - which 40mm tires can't you fit on the Hillborne? Am able to run Supremes with fenders on my Greenborne. And the Orangebornes take even wider tires. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Feb 3, 3:20 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: I had 3 folding Pasela TG 35s and one non-folding Pasela TG 35 develop sidewall bulges within 500 miles. One actually blew out mid-ride. I haven't used Paselas since. This happened within a couple months of RBW taking Paselas off their web-site. I've always wondered whether that was pure coincidence. It's too bad. They felt great. But after that blowout I'm going to have to be convinced that my problems would not recur before I trust them again. I've always wanted to try the 37s, thinking that since they have diffferent tread patterns that they might not share any problems with the 35s (perhaps they are made on different equipment?). But I don't know where to get 37s anymore. And in the meantime I've found $12-to-$15 tires on Amazon which aren't great but don't suck. So I haven't pursued Paselas for a while. Yours, Thomas alynn Skean On Feb 3, 2:00 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: I went through a period where I encountered similar damage on two sets of 700x28 paselas, one non-TG, the other TG. Both times i only noticed it after i had ridden them, but fairly soon after they were new. Stopped using them as a result, although I now have a pair of 630-32 paselas that came on a touring bike i'm converting to fixed gear. One of my theories at the time was that the tires may have been damaged during shipping, esp if they were wire bead tires folded into a figure 8 or 3 loops to reduce their diameter--that puts a lot of strain on the sidewalls where they cross. On Feb 2, 9:42 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I bought a pair of 35x700C non-TG Paselas in June from Harris Cyclery, and put them on my secondary bike for a couple of rides, and then replaced them with some 40mm tires I bought later. Recently I put them on my Sam for a 100km mixed surface ride since the 40s don't fit under the Sam's fenders, and I wanted something wider than the Jack Browns I usually run on the Sam. When I mounted the Paselas, I noticed that a few of the thin flaps of rubber were still attached to the centerline of the front tire, indicating marginal use. The Paselas were great on the ride, but halfway through the ride I noticed a bulge in the sidewall: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5412055821/ There are really 2 parallel bulges, one of which has progressed to frayed strands, and both line up with a slight wiggle in the line of the black rubber compound, potentially indicating (?) that these bulges were already there when the black tread was applied to the tire. The other photos show the condition of the tread to demonstrate degree of tire usage. Has anyone had similar experiences with Paselas? Can you tell me whether you think this is a defect or caused by damage (I was riding dirt roads, but with no rocks). I bought two Paselas, one of which has a more subtle, smaller decal, while the other has a larger logo with jaggy edges. Was there a recent batch that had sidewall issues? (The one with the problem is the one with the more subtle, presumably older logo). Thanks for any help, Gernot- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
I'm not a Pasela user, but have had a similar bulge in a Panaracer- made GB Cypress. I Bill On Feb 2, 9:42 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I bought a pair of 35x700C non-TG Paselas in June from Harris Cyclery, and put them on my secondary bike for a couple of rides, and then replaced them with some 40mm tires I bought later. Recently I put them on my Sam for a 100km mixed surface ride since the 40s don't fit under the Sam's fenders, and I wanted something wider than the Jack Browns I usually run on the Sam. When I mounted the Paselas, I noticed that a few of the thin flaps of rubber were still attached to the centerline of the front tire, indicating marginal use. The Paselas were great on the ride, but halfway through the ride I noticed a bulge in the sidewall: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5412055821/ There are really 2 parallel bulges, one of which has progressed to frayed strands, and both line up with a slight wiggle in the line of the black rubber compound, potentially indicating (?) that these bulges were already there when the black tread was applied to the tire. The other photos show the condition of the tread to demonstrate degree of tire usage. Has anyone had similar experiences with Paselas? Can you tell me whether you think this is a defect or caused by damage (I was riding dirt roads, but with no rocks). I bought two Paselas, one of which has a more subtle, smaller decal, while the other has a larger logo with jaggy edges. Was there a recent batch that had sidewall issues? (The one with the problem is the one with the more subtle, presumably older logo). Thanks for any help, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
I've had that problem with multiple Pasela tires. I've had better luck with T-Serves. I'm pretty much all about Schwalbe tires now. I'm not sure what tire I'll use for randonneuring this year, I imagine T- Serves which, in spite of being heavier seem to hold up better. I got a big sidewall tear in a T-Serve but that was after a year and a half of pretty heavy use. The tear also seemed to be initiated by something environmental as opposed to just coming apart. I feel like there's never much talk about Continental tires. I used some Conti Contacts years ago and they seemed to be pretty nice although did not run true to size. I had tires marked 37 that seemed more like 33 or so. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
Harris Cyclery has 37s: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/622.html Gernot On Feb 3, 4:20 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: I had 3 folding Pasela TG 35s and one non-folding Pasela TG 35 develop sidewall bulges within 500 miles. One actually blew out mid-ride. I haven't used Paselas since. This happened within a couple months of RBW taking Paselas off their web-site. I've always wondered whether that was pure coincidence. It's too bad. They felt great. But after that blowout I'm going to have to be convinced that my problems would not recur before I trust them again. I've always wanted to try the 37s, thinking that since they have diffferent tread patterns that they might not share any problems with the 35s (perhaps they are made on different equipment?). But I don't know where to get 37s anymore. And in the meantime I've found $12-to-$15 tires on Amazon which aren't great but don't suck. So I haven't pursued Paselas for a while. Yours, Thomas alynn Skean On Feb 3, 2:00 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: I went through a period where I encountered similar damage on two sets of 700x28 paselas, one non-TG, the other TG. Both times i only noticed it after i had ridden them, but fairly soon after they were new. Stopped using them as a result, although I now have a pair of 630-32 paselas that came on a touring bike i'm converting to fixed gear. One of my theories at the time was that the tires may have been damaged during shipping, esp if they were wire bead tires folded into a figure 8 or 3 loops to reduce their diameter--that puts a lot of strain on the sidewalls where they cross. On Feb 2, 9:42 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I bought a pair of 35x700C non-TG Paselas in June from Harris Cyclery, and put them on my secondary bike for a couple of rides, and then replaced them with some 40mm tires I bought later. Recently I put them on my Sam for a 100km mixed surface ride since the 40s don't fit under the Sam's fenders, and I wanted something wider than the Jack Browns I usually run on the Sam. When I mounted the Paselas, I noticed that a few of the thin flaps of rubber were still attached to the centerline of the front tire, indicating marginal use. The Paselas were great on the ride, but halfway through the ride I noticed a bulge in the sidewall: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5412055821/ There are really 2 parallel bulges, one of which has progressed to frayed strands, and both line up with a slight wiggle in the line of the black rubber compound, potentially indicating (?) that these bulges were already there when the black tread was applied to the tire. The other photos show the condition of the tread to demonstrate degree of tire usage. Has anyone had similar experiences with Paselas? Can you tell me whether you think this is a defect or caused by damage (I was riding dirt roads, but with no rocks). I bought two Paselas, one of which has a more subtle, smaller decal, while the other has a larger logo with jaggy edges. Was there a recent batch that had sidewall issues? (The one with the problem is the one with the more subtle, presumably older logo). Thanks for any help, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
I might give those a try. I've always been looking for the TourGuards. But perhaps that's not the big deal I've presumed it was. The fact is that in about 7 or 8 thousand miles. I have *never* had a flat with *any* tire that I knew was caused by a road hazard (sidewall failures and pinch flats and damage during mounting tires). Since that history has included some really cheap tires, it may be that my riding environment doesn't really require the be-all end-all protection. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Feb 3, 10:53 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Harris Cyclery has 37s: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/622.html Gernot On Feb 3, 4:20 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: I had 3 folding Pasela TG 35s and one non-folding Pasela TG 35 develop sidewall bulges within 500 miles. One actually blew out mid-ride. I haven't used Paselas since. This happened within a couple months of RBW taking Paselas off their web-site. I've always wondered whether that was pure coincidence. It's too bad. They felt great. But after that blowout I'm going to have to be convinced that my problems would not recur before I trust them again. I've always wanted to try the 37s, thinking that since they have diffferent tread patterns that they might not share any problems with the 35s (perhaps they are made on different equipment?). But I don't know where to get 37s anymore. And in the meantime I've found $12-to-$15 tires on Amazon which aren't great but don't suck. So I haven't pursued Paselas for a while. Yours, Thomas alynn Skean On Feb 3, 2:00 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: I went through a period where I encountered similar damage on two sets of 700x28 paselas, one non-TG, the other TG. Both times i only noticed it after i had ridden them, but fairly soon after they were new. Stopped using them as a result, although I now have a pair of 630-32 paselas that came on a touring bike i'm converting to fixed gear. One of my theories at the time was that the tires may have been damaged during shipping, esp if they were wire bead tires folded into a figure 8 or 3 loops to reduce their diameter--that puts a lot of strain on the sidewalls where they cross. On Feb 2, 9:42 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I bought a pair of 35x700C non-TG Paselas in June from Harris Cyclery, and put them on my secondary bike for a couple of rides, and then replaced them with some 40mm tires I bought later. Recently I put them on my Sam for a 100km mixed surface ride since the 40s don't fit under the Sam's fenders, and I wanted something wider than the Jack Browns I usually run on the Sam. When I mounted the Paselas, I noticed that a few of the thin flaps of rubber were still attached to the centerline of the front tire, indicating marginal use. The Paselas were great on the ride, but halfway through the ride I noticed a bulge in the sidewall: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5412055821/ There are really 2 parallel bulges, one of which has progressed to frayed strands, and both line up with a slight wiggle in the line of the black rubber compound, potentially indicating (?) that these bulges were already there when the black tread was applied to the tire. The other photos show the condition of the tread to demonstrate degree of tire usage. Has anyone had similar experiences with Paselas? Can you tell me whether you think this is a defect or caused by damage (I was riding dirt roads, but with no rocks). I bought two Paselas, one of which has a more subtle, smaller decal, while the other has a larger logo with jaggy edges. Was there a recent batch that had sidewall issues? (The one with the problem is the one with the more subtle, presumably older logo). Thanks for any help, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
Gernot: The 35 mm Paselas that came stock on my Atlantis suffered a lot of sidewall cuts that I know were caused by rocks, etc, while off- roading. I never had a blowout but when the rear wore out I replaced both with T-serves had no further sidewall damage. Since then, I use Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and get no flats, long life and no sidewall problems. The T-serves cost a bit more than Paselas and of course the Schwalbes about double. dougP On Feb 2, 9:42 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I bought a pair of 35x700C non-TG Paselas in June from Harris Cyclery, and put them on my secondary bike for a couple of rides, and then replaced them with some 40mm tires I bought later. Recently I put them on my Sam for a 100km mixed surface ride since the 40s don't fit under the Sam's fenders, and I wanted something wider than the Jack Browns I usually run on the Sam. When I mounted the Paselas, I noticed that a few of the thin flaps of rubber were still attached to the centerline of the front tire, indicating marginal use. The Paselas were great on the ride, but halfway through the ride I noticed a bulge in the sidewall: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5412055821/ There are really 2 parallel bulges, one of which has progressed to frayed strands, and both line up with a slight wiggle in the line of the black rubber compound, potentially indicating (?) that these bulges were already there when the black tread was applied to the tire. The other photos show the condition of the tread to demonstrate degree of tire usage. Has anyone had similar experiences with Paselas? Can you tell me whether you think this is a defect or caused by damage (I was riding dirt roads, but with no rocks). I bought two Paselas, one of which has a more subtle, smaller decal, while the other has a larger logo with jaggy edges. Was there a recent batch that had sidewall issues? (The one with the problem is the one with the more subtle, presumably older logo). Thanks for any help, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
Non-TGs are cheaper and have lower rolling resistance/feel cushier. If you don't get flats, don't buy TGs. :) Gernot On Feb 4, 12:31 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: I might give those a try. I've always been looking for the TourGuards. But perhaps that's not the big deal I've presumed it was. The fact is that in about 7 or 8 thousand miles. I have *never* had a flat with *any* tire that I knew was caused by a road hazard (sidewall failures and pinch flats and damage during mounting tires). Since that history has included some really cheap tires, it may be that my riding environment doesn't really require the be-all end-all protection. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Feb 3, 10:53 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Harris Cyclery has 37s: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/622.html Gernot On Feb 3, 4:20 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: I had 3 folding Pasela TG 35s and one non-folding Pasela TG 35 develop sidewall bulges within 500 miles. One actually blew out mid-ride. I haven't used Paselas since. This happened within a couple months of RBW taking Paselas off their web-site. I've always wondered whether that was pure coincidence. It's too bad. They felt great. But after that blowout I'm going to have to be convinced that my problems would not recur before I trust them again. I've always wanted to try the 37s, thinking that since they have diffferent tread patterns that they might not share any problems with the 35s (perhaps they are made on different equipment?). But I don't know where to get 37s anymore. And in the meantime I've found $12-to-$15 tires on Amazon which aren't great but don't suck. So I haven't pursued Paselas for a while. Yours, Thomas alynn Skean On Feb 3, 2:00 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: I went through a period where I encountered similar damage on two sets of 700x28 paselas, one non-TG, the other TG. Both times i only noticed it after i had ridden them, but fairly soon after they were new. Stopped using them as a result, although I now have a pair of 630-32 paselas that came on a touring bike i'm converting to fixed gear. One of my theories at the time was that the tires may have been damaged during shipping, esp if they were wire bead tires folded into a figure 8 or 3 loops to reduce their diameter--that puts a lot of strain on the sidewalls where they cross. On Feb 2, 9:42 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I bought a pair of 35x700C non-TG Paselas in June from Harris Cyclery, and put them on my secondary bike for a couple of rides, and then replaced them with some 40mm tires I bought later. Recently I put them on my Sam for a 100km mixed surface ride since the 40s don't fit under the Sam's fenders, and I wanted something wider than the Jack Browns I usually run on the Sam. When I mounted the Paselas, I noticed that a few of the thin flaps of rubber were still attached to the centerline of the front tire, indicating marginal use. The Paselas were great on the ride, but halfway through the ride I noticed a bulge in the sidewall: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5412055821/ There are really 2 parallel bulges, one of which has progressed to frayed strands, and both line up with a slight wiggle in the line of the black rubber compound, potentially indicating (?) that these bulges were already there when the black tread was applied to the tire. The other photos show the condition of the tread to demonstrate degree of tire usage. Has anyone had similar experiences with Paselas? Can you tell me whether you think this is a defect or caused by damage (I was riding dirt roads, but with no rocks). I bought two Paselas, one of which has a more subtle, smaller decal, while the other has a larger logo with jaggy edges. Was there a recent batch that had sidewall issues? (The one with the problem is the one with the more subtle, presumably older logo). Thanks for any help, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
I've had trouble with sidewall failure and stopped using them for long rides and touring. Marathons are way better for me. On Feb 3, 12:30 am, Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I put at least 2000 (very conservative estimate) miles on a set of the same non-TG Paselas last year here in Honolulu and never had a lick of trouble. They were the original tires on my Quickbeam which I received back in November of 2009. I'm a daily commuter and have ridden several metric century lengths during year, a full century, and a camping trip with about 300 miles in 4 days so they get used. I've only just recently put a new tire up front and rotated the front tire to the rear. Hopefully I'll be as lucky going forward. When I pulled off the rear I didn't notice any particular sidewall damage though admitted I wasn't looking too hard. Both of my tires looked the same as did the one I rotated in, though it was purchased almost a year later. Bob On 2/2/2011 7:42 PM, Earl Grey wrote: Hi, I bought a pair of 35x700C non-TG Paselas in June from Harris Cyclery, and put them on my secondary bike for a couple of rides, and then replaced them with some 40mm tires I bought later. Recently I put them on my Sam for a 100km mixed surface ride since the 40s don't fit under the Sam's fenders, and I wanted something wider than the Jack Browns I usually run on the Sam. When I mounted the Paselas, I noticed that a few of the thin flaps of rubber were still attached to the centerline of the front tire, indicating marginal use. The Paselas were great on the ride, but halfway through the ride I noticed a bulge in the sidewall: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150892@N08/5412055821/ There are really 2 parallel bulges, one of which has progressed to frayed strands, and both line up with a slight wiggle in the line of the black rubber compound, potentially indicating (?) that these bulges were already there when the black tread was applied to the tire. The other photos show the condition of the tread to demonstrate degree of tire usage. Has anyone had similar experiences with Paselas? Can you tell me whether you think this is a defect or caused by damage (I was riding dirt roads, but with no rocks). I bought two Paselas, one of which has a more subtle, smaller decal, while the other has a larger logo with jaggy edges. Was there a recent batch that had sidewall issues? (The one with the problem is the one with the more subtle, presumably older logo). Thanks for any help, Gernot -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com /www.statrix.com/ statrixbob on twitter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
