[RBW] Re: Riv handlebars and back pain-your experience?
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PExA0xksNmU/VOS2vl0VSjI/ADQ/BgtlPdyjRGg/s1600/IMG_2116.JPG I have always run a suspension seat past since my first back surgery. The small hits take a toll. A suspension seatpost saves energy too, as you don't have to unweight the seat constantly to absorb shock. I have bought and used many different types, and my current fave is the USE suspension seatpost. My air pressure stays at 30-35 psi in my tires, unless I am carrying a heavy load. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv handlebars and back pain-your experience?
Interesting thoughts, all. I share Patrick's concern re body weight and saddles with springs, as I weigh 165. A well broken-in Brooks is already a sprung saddle in essence. Fore and aft position generally has not been an issue for me using roughly KOPS, but I'm not very compulsive about it. I'll frequently make small changes in saddle position just by feel and then only measure when it feels right, so I can reproduce it in the future. Changes are also made during the season as my fitness improves. My current position on multiple bikes is to have the saddle same height as the bars and a stem that creates 45 degree angle with the ground, and this works on a variety of bars (straight, drop, moustache, albastache). Also, and VERY important for me is 20-30 minutes of stretching immediately following a long ride. It's an exercise in deferred gratification, since what I really want right away is a cold beer and a hot shower. I'm not always successful. On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-5, alan lavine wrote: Hello All...Thought I would share this, as I'm sure I'm not the only mature cyclist with intermittent low back pain. I have a small disc herniation at L4-L5 level that protrudes posteriorly and compresses the nerve root as it exits the vertebral column. My first response was, well Grant was right, now I have to be more upright on the bike. Not a problem for a chronic cockpit changer like me, anyway...is there a bar I haven't tried? Doubt it. So I put Albatross bars on the Ram, also tried porter bars on another bike, experimenting with various bar heights as well. THIS MADE THINGS WORSE! I went to moustache and albastache bars, with a shorter stem, bars level with the seat, and did much better. The neurologist explained it: with your back bent forward at a gentle angle, 45 degree angle of trunk to horizontal, the vertebral column is bent in a way that opens up the posterior (back) aspect of the column and helps to relieve the compression of the nerve root. An upright posture is more like a series of blocks one on top of another and all the force is directed straight down, compressing things further. I realize this scenario is specific to my particular anatomy but I'm curious to hear about others' experiences with this issue. How has your riding changed as Father Time marches on? Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv handlebars and back pain-your experience?
Note that (at least with my experience using the Flyer and a couple of wide sprung models) that spring performance depends in part on the rider's weight. I tried of Flyer off road after finding a suspension seatpost very comfortable on washboard (the post, a CODA, was cheap and squeaked and I returned it), but my 170 lb couldn't make the Flyer's springs flex enough for comfort. Now of course I ride with less weight on the saddle than some, so perhaps the Flyer works better with an upright position. Aside: a Softride stem and a susp seatpost -- both circa 1995 -- were wonderfully smooth on washboard. But I then discovered fat, soft, 700c off road tires. On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:06 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Back in 2012 I somehow started getting low back pain while riding. I felt as if lots of road shock was traveling through the bike and into my lower back and I would hurt during, but mostly after riding for the rest of the day. Thought it was me or a fit problem. I even posted on here about it somewhere on the forum. Finally, I started using Brooks* sprung saddles*. No more road shock! No more pain Working great so far!!! Give it a try. It's amazing how the road shock vanishes. The road shock doesn't go into my back anymore, because the seat bounces ever so gently because of the springs and the shock gets dissipated by the springs. All I feel is like I am riding along in a limousine with gentle, soft, rising and falling as the springs flex and dispel the road shock, instead of the bike transferring it to my low back. I use the Brooks Flyers. Might be worth a try for you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv handlebars and back pain-your experience?
Sadly, I am entirely too familiar with the issue of back pain. In 2013, I ruptured my L5-S1 disc badly enough to require surgery to prevent permanent disability. The MRI I had prior to surgery identified non-trivial problems all along my spine; annular tears in two discs, bulged disks in two more. Good times. What this all means for riding is that, so far, I have been unable to ride pain free. I have 3 bikes now, a 54 Hunqapillar with Boscos, a 56 Atlantis with Noodles, and Brompton... an embarrassment of riches, as they say. I had a bike fit by my physical therapist with the Hunqapillar, and was surprised to learned that I had the fit pretty dialed. She recommended a little more back angle, since the Boscos have my spine almost vertical. My Atlantis with the drops puts me forward a lot more. As things are right now, I can ride the Hunqapillar for a long time (hours) before the ache sets in. On the Atlantis, I get about 90 minutes, tops. I really like having drops on the Atlantis, so, I'm going to experiment with moving the bars up, and maybe a shorter stem, to reduce my back angle. On the Hunqapillar, I'm going back to albatross bars because when I last had them on I was able to ride a 100+ mile day on a short tour just 3 months post-op. Sure, I hurt like hell, but I figured I was going to hurt like hell after a 100 miles regardless. It sucks to have a bad back, but with enough Vitamin I and some finesse dialing in the fit, I can still ride as much as I want to. I hope I can still say that when I take on the Northern Tier in 2016... On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 8:12:05 PM UTC-8, K Griffin wrote: Your experience and the explanation sounds reasonable. In this case, the former is probably more important, as each of us is slightly different. Even if there were a strong anatomic reason why more vertical than 45 deg would be best your body may not have read the same textbook from which the experts have learned. I'm fortunate not to have the disc issue, but when I have lower back spasms (typically with my prior job), the two things that would really make it feel better would be riding my bike or swimming. My position would be with raised bars compared to most road bikes, but still over far enough to put a nice, natural lean without having to crank my neck to see past my wheel. Kurt Griffin Sioux Falls, SD alan lavine ciga...@gmail.com javascript:: Feb 15 11:56AM -0800 Hello All...Thought I would share this, as I'm sure I'm not the only mature cyclist with intermittent low back pain. I have a small disc herniation at L4-L5 level that protrudes posteriorly and compresses the nerve root as it exits the vertebral column. My first response was, well Grant was right, now I have to be more upright on the bike. Not a problem for a chronic cockpit changer like me, anyway...is there a bar I haven't tried? Doubt it. So I put Albatross bars on the Ram, also tried porter bars on another bike, experimenting with various bar heights as well. THIS MADE THINGS WORSE! I went to moustache and albastache bars, with a shorter stem, bars level with the seat, and did much better. The neurologist explained it: with your back bent forward at a gentle angle, 45 degree angle of trunk to horizontal, the vertebral column is bent in a way that opens up the posterior (back) aspect of the column and helps to relieve the compression of the nerve root. An upright posture is more like a series of blocks one on top of another and all the force is directed straight down, compressing things further. I realize this scenario is specific to my particular anatomy but I'm curious to hear about others' experiences with this issue. How has your riding changed as Father Time marches on? Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv handlebars and back pain-your experience?
I had lower back pain from having my saddle too far back. Moving closer to KOPS helped--it may not work for everyone but it seems to work for me... Steve On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:56:57 PM UTC-5, alan lavine wrote: Hello All...Thought I would share this, as I'm sure I'm not the only mature cyclist with intermittent low back pain. I have a small disc herniation at L4-L5 level that protrudes posteriorly and compresses the nerve root as it exits the vertebral column. My first response was, well Grant was right, now I have to be more upright on the bike. Not a problem for a chronic cockpit changer like me, anyway...is there a bar I haven't tried? Doubt it. So I put Albatross bars on the Ram, also tried porter bars on another bike, experimenting with various bar heights as well. THIS MADE THINGS WORSE! I went to moustache and albastache bars, with a shorter stem, bars level with the seat, and did much better. The neurologist explained it: with your back bent forward at a gentle angle, 45 degree angle of trunk to horizontal, the vertebral column is bent in a way that opens up the posterior (back) aspect of the column and helps to relieve the compression of the nerve root. An upright posture is more like a series of blocks one on top of another and all the force is directed straight down, compressing things further. I realize this scenario is specific to my particular anatomy but I'm curious to hear about others' experiences with this issue. How has your riding changed as Father Time marches on? Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv handlebars and back pain-your experience?
Back in 2012 I somehow started getting low back pain while riding. I felt as if lots of road shock was traveling through the bike and into my lower back and I would hurt during, but mostly after riding for the rest of the day. Thought it was me or a fit problem. I even posted on here about it somewhere on the forum. Finally, I started using Brooks* sprung saddles*. No more road shock! No more pain Working great so far!!! Give it a try. It's amazing how the road shock vanishes. The road shock doesn't go into my back anymore, because the seat bounces ever so gently because of the springs and the shock gets dissipated by the springs. All I feel is like I am riding along in a limousine with gentle, soft, rising and falling as the springs flex and dispel the road shock, instead of the bike transferring it to my low back. I use the Brooks Flyers. Might be worth a try for you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv handlebars and back pain-your experience?
Back in 2012 I somehow started getting low back pain while riding. I felt as if lots of road shock was traveling through the bike and into my lower back and I would hurt during, but mostly after riding for the rest of the day. Thought it was me or a fit problem. I even posted on here about it somewhere on the forum. Finally, I started using Brooks* sprung saddles*. No more road shock! No more pain Working great so far!!! Give it a try. It's amazing how the road shock vanishes. The road shock doesn't go into my back anymore, because the seat bounces ever so gently because of the springs and the shock gets dissipated by the springs. All I feel is like I am riding along in a limousine with gentle, soft, rising and falling as the springs flex and dispel the road shock, instead of the bike transferring it to my low back. I use the Brooks Flyers. Might be worth a try for you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
