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With an electric motor! 藍 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 5:38:27 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote: > Joe, we now all know you can only ride singletrack on a full suspension > bike with a dropper post nowadays...everything else is underbiking. Ha, I > write in jest. The Rivendell timeline is neat to

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Joe, we now all know you can only ride singletrack on a full suspension bike with a dropper post nowadays...everything else is underbiking. Ha, I write in jest. The Rivendell timeline is neat to see. Most of the names on the list are fantastic names for bikes! On Monday, December 12, 2022 at

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Then there's the pre-Rivendell timeline which has an article in a Bridgestone catalogue by Chris Kostman about "underbiking"..he was riding an RB-1 with skinny slicks on singletrack. Which Grant design is a Hillibike? All of them!  On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:44:53 PM UTC-8 Slin wrote:

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Yeah, I totally agree that the bikes have been categorized different ways over the years. I quickly threw the spreadsheet together and thought I was using the categories on the current rivbike.com - 'Roadish' , 'Touring & Trailish', and 'Comboish - Country Bikes'. The names are different, but

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Olivier Chetelat’s photos of the proto-Appaloosa are located here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8418423327/in/photostream/ On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:47:21 PM UTC-8 Chris L wrote: > The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so > 2012'ish sounds about

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Jason, this is a really exciting idea! I appreciate your research, compiling and the handwriting chart from scratch. And Slin, it's amazing that you created the spreadsheet so detailed! I can't wait to see it is updated. Masa 2022年12月12日月曜日 20:02:04 UTC+9 brendonoid: > Oh, this is exciting! >

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Oh, this is exciting! I think Grant has/had the all-rounder category between the hillibikes and the country bikes. So the Atlantis/Appaloosa was an all-rounder whilst the Sam/Homer was a country bike. Unfortunately the nomenclature has been somewhat fluid along with the concepts of what certain

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I started playing around with different ways to visualize it. Here's one using a spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gu7_PQVDZn0iQtx81oHQ_X3mhDMcngiJK1AVxHleQ_Q/edit?usp=sharing [image: Screenshot from 2022-12-11 21-05-52.png] On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-8

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Slin, that's a fun idea to do it as a family tree kind of infographic! I haven't gotten around to polishing this into a digital form like I meant to, but with the holiday break coming up I might take the opportunity to then, and am really liking this idea of doing it as a branched structure based

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@Jason - this is really cool! I did a search and came across this because I was thinking about doing something very similar but also including when the models were discontinued and any lineage type relationships: Atlantis <-> Appaloosa Glorius/Wilbury -> Betty Foy/Yves Gomez -> Cheviot ->

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Marty - those photoshops are amazing. Tom - it's having the same effect on me; it's a problem. I am now in search of a Rosco step thru in the 54/55 size. On Friday, 3 December 2021 at 13:17:21 UTC-8 Tom Goodmann wrote: > This thread is the best reading I've done this week, although it makes

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This thread is the best reading I've done this week, although it makes me want *all-the-Rivs*! Tom (in Miami, where it's peak riding season) On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:37:13 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote: > I'll have to check out that thread. > > As a gray/orange Hunqapillar owner, I much

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I'll have to check out that thread. As a gray/orange Hunqapillar owner, I much prefer the darker shade of orange shown in your photo here. On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote: > To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups

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Tentacles! I remember them being called that because I came up with it. Then Grant popped in here and said "they're tentacular!"  Joe Bernard On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 8:13:30 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote: > I bought what I think is a Mystery Bike from Rivendell, it hung around as > a shop

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Oh - that was in 2010 of course. On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 7:25:39 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote: > To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups of the first > diagatube Hunqapillars beginning Monday, April 5th at 7:59am. -- You received this message

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Michael - they switched from the dual TT style to the diaga-tube in 2010 on Bombadils :) So the diaga is the newer version On Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 20:10:00 UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote: > any info regarding these two bombadils? asking because they're the same, > but different. and

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any info regarding these two bombadils? asking because they're the same, but different. and one is very close to that appa proto posted above.

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Oh wow, that's the shortest rear end and smallest size proto-Appa that I've seen! At this rate, might just have to buy riv-wiki.com (it's available!). Thanks for all the contributions. On Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 14:47:21 UTC-8 Chris L wrote: > The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened

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The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so 2012'ish sounds about right. My memory is that Grant put out feelers for 10 people to buy a new bike, completely sight unseen with no input (I don't remember if they were allowed to choose color) into the bike. I don't

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A bit of clarification. The original three models, Road, All-Rounder, and Mountain, were intended to be of standard dimensions as drawn by Grant. They were built to-order, though, and they very quickly went from semi-custom to full custom as customers requested their own unique changes. It was

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I agree about the charming hand-made artifact-ness of the paper and ink version. It’s super clear and well designed. There’s lots of space to the sides for builder names or notes. Philip Sonoma County, Calif On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 8:00:47 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote: > I love the

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Love this Rivendell history, thanks so much for putting this together and sharing! On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote: > Ryan, I thought Riv was building customs from the begining. I had a 96 > Road that was designed for 700 x 28 and had cantilever brakes

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Ryan, I thought Riv was building customs from the begining. I had a 96 Road that was designed for 700 x 28 and had cantilever brakes The original owner,who I bought it from, spoke of it as a custom build Steve On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 8:54 AM Ryan wrote: > Customs...I feel Riv started mixing

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Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus) and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road

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I love the drawing. Please keep it in the digital version. I connect better w/handwritten, hand drawn. More comprehensible to me. On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 7:19:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: > Yeah good point about the Soma, if I'm going to mention Heron by the same > logic that

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Yeah good point about the Soma, if I'm going to mention Heron by the same logic that frame should be included. I debated that one also. Redwood is a neat one, being a different name for the tallest sizes! I assume the distinction is some design difference (tubing?) to suit the extra big 65/68

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I am glad to see you got the ‘Redwood’ frame in there! Cheers, Karl Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 27, 2021, at 3:29 AM, Fullylugged wrote: > > Nice Jason, and needed. The Road was followed quickly by the Road Standard, > I think by '96. > >> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6

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I would also include the San Marcos in the timeline! Made by Soma but designed by Rivendell, it was in production from 2011 to about 2015. Similar to the way the Bleriot was the "cheaper" MIT version of the Saluki, I believe the San Marcos was the budget alternative to the A. Homer Hilsen. I have

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These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, Keith, and Joel! I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this thing. I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom,

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Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a custom

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Very nice Jason, I had 2 Roads, one in ‘97 (a 53cm)the other in ‘2000 (a 54cm which was probablt right) . An AR in ‘99 or so and a Custom in ‘2002 or so (a 56cm that Grant measured me for). Also a Saluki (56cm but too bid) then 2 Bleriots, (55cm’s) one was going to live in Brasil. I bought a

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My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom Allingham's Flickr): Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many were produced, and whether I got my production year right? And am I missing gen 1

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Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to go before I'm any sort of expert). Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part,

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Good effort. I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once. My comment is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or "mystery bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa. I know it was 'sort of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying customers -

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Nice Jason, and needed. The Road was followed quickly by the Road Standard, I think by '96. On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote: > I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv Readers, as > well as old copies of the Rivendell website via

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Nice work Jason. On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:45:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: > I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv Readers, as > well as old copies of the Rivendell website via archive.org (it was > veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was

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Funny that Rosco's are likely coming back (per Will) in one form or another to use up the Hillibike 650b fork mishap inventory. Being a huge clearance, segmented fork I have to assume the rest of the frame would be a little different as well. On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 09:50:56 UTC-7, Jason

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Right, I did know that but had forgot. Nonetheless, it seemed like an awfully practical addition to the lineup - I feel that there's a huge gap in the affordable TIG lineup between the Clem and the Roadini, where something akin to the Surly Pack Rat (but better executed with the latest Grant

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Rosco Bubbe was a project to blow through a stack of extra forks they had. I don't think you'll ever see those frames again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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I never know when to believe that a model is truly retired, as it seems some pop back into existence for a new run after some time away. For instance, if a fresh crop of Roscoe (high TT) dropped, I'd probably have to get one, but I have no idea if that will happen or not. -- You received

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There are still enough old timers around to put that together, I’m sure. What it it probably show is that if you see a Rivendell bike you like, it’s better to scrape the money together and get one sooner rather than later. Models come and models go based on multiple factors. Tailwinds! Sent

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It would be interesting to see a column for when it was retired. (if available) On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:58:27 AM UTC-7, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote: > > A continuing conversation about models, variations, names and resources of > interest related to Rivbike models from

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Hey John, Do you still have your 62 Saluki? I have read up on the Saluki, which seems to be a precursor to -- and essentially 650b-only version of -- the Homer. I'm curious, since you have no doubt ridden and/or owned a Homer or two, what are your thoughts comparing a 62 Saluki to an equal

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That's kismet right there John! I sold a bunch of my originals years ago. I can't recall who too, but they found a good home in more ways than one. Marty On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:06 PM John A. Bennett wrote: > Great list. Brings back memories! > > My 62cm Saluki was the first one assembled by

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Marty, not Mary. Sorry, Martin. On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 11:06:40 AM UTC-7, John A. Bennett wrote: > > Great list. Brings back memories! > > My 62cm Saluki was the first one assembled by RBW in 2005. Mark wanted to > build an in-house/staff bike before working on customer's orders, just to

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Great list. Brings back memories! My 62cm Saluki was the first one assembled by RBW in 2005. Mark wanted to build an in-house/staff bike before working on customer's orders, just to get a feel for the new model. I happily volunteered. It is still my daily commuter. We have big stack of

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I do have one. I used to have a list of some of the original buyers, but not sure I can find it. Maybe they'd rather stay anonymous, anyway. On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 4:26 PM Joe Bernard wrote: > Aah, I forgot about that one..I saw it there. That's a nice bike! > > -- > You received this

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"tentacular" Which was my word! Sort of. I said they looked like tentacles, then Grant put his Grantness on it  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

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Ah yes! The bike with 'tentacular stays". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

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Riv Chica (sp) Warrior won the custom bike that was based upon a drawing of those who purchased either $250 or $300 (I forget the exact dollar amount). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

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Didn't "rivchicawarrior" in Minneapolis get one? I don't know her real name. dougP On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 1:26:27 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Aah, I forgot about that one..I saw it there. That's a nice bike! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

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Aah, I forgot about that one..I saw it there. That's a nice bike! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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One mystery is where all those bikes went. I think Pudge has one; beyond that I don't think I've ever seen another Mystery Bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

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There were 10 Mystery Bikes built -- I don't know if that qualifies as a custom or an actual photo-ish model. There were certainly a bunch of posts on the Blog about those bikes, and they were instrumental in Grant's thinking about long chain stays in many subsequent models. I could go find

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I updated the Bleriot info that I had added yesterday with colors: Turquoise & Cream, and added a link to cyclofiends's Bleriot page. This caused the row to expand to two lines. If that is a problem, please feel free to change it. I also didn't know how to rename the link. Thanks, Steve

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I added a note that Appaloosa was first available in March of 2016. I think Appaloosa was, like the various iterations of the name Roscoe Bubbe/Boscoe Rubbe, a name that was floating around for awhile waiting to be paired with a bike concept that was going to move forward into production.The

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Thanks Bob. Looking good, although the sheet shoes for only a moment, then goes blank. I'll try again later. On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 9:26:41 AM UTC-4, Bob B wrote: > > I added links to brochures for Clem and Chev and a link to the Bubbe blog. > AIso added alternating row colors and

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I added links to brochures for Clem and Chev and a link to the Bubbe blog. AIso added alternating row colors and some other formatting tweaks to make it easier to look at. Bob B. Brooklyn, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

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Agree - I'll plug everything in to the sheet tomorrow and we can keep things rolling in the thread. On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:04:15 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote: > > Maybe just use this thread as a change log for the google sheet? > > -J > -- You received this message because

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Maybe just use this thread as a change log for the google sheet? -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Thanks Tom, I can't access the file at work, but will take a look at home later. Sounds like a good solution. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

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> > Here's a sheet > that > > can be edited by anyone with the link. Knock yourself out. It works like > excel and saves automatically. >