Steve,
Just got a Della Santa, great road bike. If you order one, you can
ask for anything you want.
However, this is a Rodeo thread so I am not say anything more about
his work. If anyone is interested, google him and you can see what
kind of work he has done.
For example, he build
I don't think the 1 vs. 1-1/8 question has been answered
adequately. 1-1/8 steerers are an accomodation for carbon steerers.
A 1 steel steerer is and has always been plenty strong, so 1-1/8
would add needless weight to the frame and fork. There are 1 carbon
steerers out there, but I wouldn't
Rovendell is not, by any means, the only place using 1 steerers
preferentially. Here's Mark Hickey's (Habanero Cycles, purveyor of
titanium frames) takes:
http://www.habcycles.com/techstuf.html#oneinch
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On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 22:52 -0700, RonLau wrote:
Steve,
Just got a Della Santa, great road bike. If you order one, you can
ask for anything you want.
And if the subject is respect in the pace line, you can be sure that
hard-core race oriented roadies will know and respect Della Santa, just
While this is all true, none of these bikes are a Rivendell.
I want a Roadeo because I want a Rivendell road bike.
The Rivendells I've test ridden or ride (Bleriot, Saluki,
Rambouillet, Bombadil, Romulus, and my custom) have all been great
bikes.
I'm expecting the Roadeo will be excellent.
On Aug 28, 9:33 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
Seriously though, I suspect this (and set up costs) to be the
culprit. GP's write up said he really had to sweat the weight. D/t
mounts are surprisingly heavy little buggers.
? I happen to have one of those buggers right here,
IMO, for a bike that's intended to be a modern club sport mount, DT
shifters would be superfluous.
As my last post on the topic, I will concede the club angle most
likely is what I am missing here. Bikes are my primary form of
transportation, I ride them to work, around town, for fun and on
On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 03:50 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
IMO, for a bike that's intended to be a modern club sport mount, DT
shifters would be superfluous.
As my last post on the topic, I will concede the club angle most
likely is what I am missing here. Bikes are my primary form of
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy folks.
Three things about this thread are jumping out at me. Other than both
being steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer and
the Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^). I am 99% sure
Hi,
The cable stops that the prototype has are brazed on the DT. To do
shifter mounts instead will be no more work or time for the frame
builder. IF you can get the frame with custom paint, I don't see why
you couldn't ask for DT shifters as well. I'll bet the reason
Waterford does not
Can I go of on a tangent relative to the Roadeo?
Not having a deep background in bikes, I'm wondering what the pratical
differences are between the threaded and threadless options.
And, why is the threadless option 1, rather than the more common 1
1/8?
Thanks,
Paul
Hey Paul.
IMHO the practical differences between quill and threadless are pretty
minimal as long as the steerer isn't cut too short on a threadless bike.
The reason to go with 1 threadless is so that the frame can be the same.
1 is the normal quill fork diameter and it is easy to get a shim that
On Aug 28, 2:46 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
The best option is
probably to get an unpainted frame and have a local framebuilder swap
out the mounts for you.--
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN
Sorry, no frame builder in his right mind will sell you an unpainted
frame. 95% of what
on 8/29/09 9:45 AM, Phil Brown at philcyc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 28, 2:46 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
The best option is
probably to get an unpainted frame and have a local framebuilder swap
out the mounts for you.--
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN
Sorry, no frame
Thanks, Doug and Steve...
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on 8/29/09 11:01 AM, Big Paulie at pauldgr...@yahoo.com wrote:
Not having a deep background in bikes, I'm wondering what the pratical
differences are between the threaded and threadless options.
AASHTA -
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ha-i.html#headset
On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 09:45 -0700, Phil Brown wrote:
On Aug 28, 2:46 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
The best option is
probably to get an unpainted frame and have a local framebuilder swap
out the mounts for you.--
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN
Sorry, no frame builder in
I don't know if they sell them unpainted, but there sure are a lot of
builders out there showing them off:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/unpainted/
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Phil Brown philcyc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 28, 2:46 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
The best
I don't think the 1 vs. 1-1/8 question has been answered
adequately. 1-1/8 steerers are an accomodation for carbon steerers.
A 1 steel steerer is and has always been plenty strong, so 1-1/8
would add needless weight to the frame and fork. There are 1 carbon
steerers out there, but I wouldn't
Additional fuel for the fire: nice alloy quill stems, like Nittos, will get
marked up over time. So if you lower your high stem, then raise it back up
some time later, the quill will probably have picked up some marks that will
now show...
Doug
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Bill M.
Clicking through, there are a couple other cool little articles there:
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-ride-rivendell-bombadil-19039
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/grant-petersen-rivendell-bicycle-works-11523
DE
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com
Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and
Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons. Per Mark
this is not an option either.
Too bad, as I have a store of older race parts I would like to put on
a frame with faster angles and lighter tubing but can
I hadn't noticed that it doesn't have DT shifter mounts. That's a
bummer. I hope they change their mind about that.
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and
Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons. Per Mark
this is not an option either.
Too bad, as I have a store of older race parts I
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Seth Vidalskvi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques Anquetil and
Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons. Per Mark
this is
Aren't band attached down tube mounts available?
Indeed there are.
However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers with
the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex
levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful
NOS Campy Record
Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early steel frames
had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap around bands, not braze
ons, so this would not be that unusual.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
Well, it is not
P.S. I just checked the rivbike website and noticed that they've
changed the previous statement pertaining to color choices.
Apparently any color that complements cream accents is now acceptable.
Jim
On Aug 28, 12:07 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:
I'm not in the market for another bike,
I have been looking for the right frame for this type of bike for a
while. Lack of DT shifters among the new frames is unfortunately
almost across the board.
As Seth points out, DT are available on the Surly Pacer. Looks like a
nice frame but maybe too much a yeoman effort to match with the
Got 'em on my '72 Cinelli:
http://campyonly.com/images/mystuff/2006/cinelli_6-10-06/IMG_0224_1000.jpg
--Eric Norris
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On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early
steel frames had
I'm sure the Roadeo will be a great bike but I think for a bike like
this I'd go with Mercian.
On Aug 28, 12:17 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:
P.S. I just checked the rivbike website and noticed that they've
changed the previous statement pertaining to color choices.
Apparently any
I'm sure the Roadeo will be a great bike but I think for a bike like
this I'd go with Mercian.
Not a bad idea. Appears as though you could do the Vincitore for less
than a Roadeo. The Audax Special looks nice as well. Although if I
am reading the specs correctly, it will not accommodate a
Lovely Campy DT's to boot. Very nice.
On Aug 28, 2:43 pm, Eric campyonly...@me.com wrote:
Got 'em on my '72 Cinelli:
http://campyonly.com/images/mystuff/2006/cinelli_6-10-06/IMG_0224_100...
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On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:46 PM, JoelMatthewsjoelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
I'm sure the Roadeo will be a great bike but I think for a bike like
this I'd go with Mercian.
Not a bad idea. Appears as though you could do the Vincitore for less
than a Roadeo. The Audax Special looks nice as
Yeah, downtube shifter mounts are disappearing. And if you find old
clamp-on downtube shifters, they probably won't work because most
steel downtubes these days use 1 1/4 tubing rather than 1 1/8.
The Soma Stanyan will take a 32mm tire, and has downtube shifter
mounts (and lugs!). Comes in any
Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what
Waterford is willing to accept.
Waterford could be driving this. From their site it appears the only
frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive)
Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike. None of the Waterford road
Howdy folks.
Three things about this thread are jumping out at me. Other than both being
steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer and the
Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^). I am 99% sure the Roadeo will take
a much bigger tire, unless the Pacer has changed (it works
Steve, I think the term production is a little strained for bicycles
produced in a facility that still requires many hand operations by a
skilled craftman. These operations, I suspect, do not involve much
that would be common with a production operation in a modern factory
with robot welding,
Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen
all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it!
Ryan
On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:18, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what
Waterford is willing to accept.
Are the geometry specs for the different sizes posted anywhere?
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:29:01 -0600
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Press
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:07 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply
reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who
was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required
system compatibility has agreed to
palin...@his.com
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:07 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 15:10 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
Steve, I think the term production is a little strained for bicycles
produced in a facility that still requires many hand operations by a
skilled craftman. These operations, I suspect, do not involve much
that would be common with a
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 14:59 -0700, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
Howdy folks.
Three things about this thread are jumping out at me. Other than both
being steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer
and the Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^). I am 99% sure the
Roadeo will
Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen
all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it!
Well, yeah. And their own Hetchins tribute has dt mounts.
I am guessing no option on the Roadeo and it would appear on
Waterford's own stock models (unless I am
I stopped at Riv HQ on my way home from work and tried the Roadeo.
It's a little small for me but still a very sweet bike. Light, nimble,
and tracks steady. It rides a lot like my Legolas 59, but even with a
Brooks saddle it is noticeably lighter to lift. If I hadn't bought one
of the last
Doug: I agree with the points you make. I am just a tad frustrated
as the Roadeo is so close to a bike I have in mind - even the stock
colors - but for one missing option. We dt people want in on the fun.
On Aug 28, 4:59 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy folks.
Three
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Hi all-
Thought I'd delurk and put my 2 cents in about the Roadeo. I had the
pleasure
I find it hard to believe that not including the dt mounts is a simple
cost saving measure, as this isn't intended to be a budget frame. I
suspect that the primary reason is the dt bosses add weight, and that
there isn't enough demand for dt shifters to justify the extra couple
ounces or whatever
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:42 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen
all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it!
The Gunnar Sport also made by Waterford has DT shifter mounts. I think
Waterford will
Even running STI, I'd want DT bosses! It gives you barrel adjusters
within arms reach for a handy adjust on the fly when the shifting
goes a bit off.
Ryan
On Aug 28, 2009, at 19:35, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
Doug: I agree with the points you make. I am just a tad
In-line barrel adjusters take care of that.
Jim
On Aug 28, 9:12 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote:
Even running STI, I'd want DT bosses! It gives you barrel adjusters
within arms reach for a handy adjust on the fly when the shifting
goes a bit off.
Ryan
On Aug 28, 2009, at
It doesn't seem to me that Grant wants this bike to be
seen as some retro/throwback rig that folks are gonna want to equip
with 40-year-old parts. Rather the goal seems to be: let's show that a
modern lugged steel frame can hold its own against the techno-whiz
frames.
But why not give the
Howdy folks.
Places like W'ford do both batch production and truly custom one-at-a-time
builds as well. I am pretty sure the Roadeo and probably anything RBW has
built there is done in batches. I read a lot of framebuilder stuff on the
web and batches are much faster and easier, therefore
I think Waterford will make any bike with DT mounts since they are all
customs.
It just might be the case. For whatever reason, WF does not appear to
offer d/t mounts as an option on their site, however.
On Aug 28, 8:55 pm, Dan Abelson abelson@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at
Well, that was fun to read!
Esteban
San Diego, Calif.
On Aug 27, 9:40 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
Nice little QA with Grant Article by Gary Boulanger
http://tinyurl.com/roadeo-review01
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Thanks for the link, Jim.
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...or about the same amount of weight you'd lose by spitting five
times and cutting off a mullet.
hilarious.
and here's to no design compromises to keep the peace.
-Jay
Denver, CO
On Aug 27, 10:40 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
Nice little QA with Grant Article by Gary
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