Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[John Dewey]

"And you can just replace the guts...DA bar ends & DT share internals..."

Or, maybe not.

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 10:03:17 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Have any of you Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed folks ever 'worn out' either 
> bar-end or DT shift levers? 
>
> It must take years. And you can just replace the guts...DA bar ends & DT 
> share internals.
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 7:03 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
>> The Microshifts are not just cheaper than Dura-Ace, they're cheaper than 
>> anything Shimano.  They're also more sweat resistant than anything Shimano, 
>> I have a history of gumming up Shimano bar-ends.  Never had this problem 
>> with the Microshifts.  I've had them on my Custom for 8 years and will put 
>> them on my Redwood if I ever ride it enough to wear out or gum up the 9 
>> speed 105s that are on there.
>> Jim
>> austin suburbs, tx
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:20 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd 
>>> DS instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them 
>>> for over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are 
>>> also cheaper than Dura Ace.
>>>
>>> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Greetings -

 About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
 was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame 
 is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.

 I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
 while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
 three options recently:

 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
 EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers 
 (possibly 
 at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
 with a considerable savings.

 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
 for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
 someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
 me.

 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
 speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
 fine.

 A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
 bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
 custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
 wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
 the custom and on other bikes.

 I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
 downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
 on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
 sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw 
 the 
 chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
 cassette)?

 Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
 available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.

 Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.

 Regards,

 Corwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[John Dewey]

Have any of you Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed folks ever 'worn out' either
bar-end or DT shift levers?

It must take years. And you can just replace the guts...DA bar ends & DT
share internals.

Jock

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 7:03 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> The Microshifts are not just cheaper than Dura-Ace, they're cheaper than
> anything Shimano.  They're also more sweat resistant than anything Shimano,
> I have a history of gumming up Shimano bar-ends.  Never had this problem
> with the Microshifts.  I've had them on my Custom for 8 years and will put
> them on my Redwood if I ever ride it enough to wear out or gum up the 9
> speed 105s that are on there.
> Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:20 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:
>
>> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd DS
>> instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them for
>> over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are also
>> cheaper than Dura Ace.
>>
>> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings -
>>>
>>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen
>>> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame
>>> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a
>>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen
>>> three options recently:
>>>
>>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on
>>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly
>>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out
>>> with a considerable savings.
>>>
>>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque
>>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay
>>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9
>>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed
>>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the
>>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several
>>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for
>>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano
>>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers
>>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to
>>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the
>>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed
>>> cassette)?
>>>
>>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be
>>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

Sorry for spamming the group there.  That one was meant just for Corwin.  
OOOPSIE!

BL in EC

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:48:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Corwin
>
> I'm back from my travels and have located these SL-7700 shifters.  They 
> are pretty lovely, aren't they?  I presume you still need them.  I think 
> I'll test fit them onto a steel frameset in my stable and confirm they feel 
> as good mechanically as they look.  
> Assuming that's the case, I'd ask $80 for them.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 2:09 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill -
>>
>> I will gladly take those 9 speed down tube shifters off your hands.
>>
>> Let me know whenever it's convenient for you. I am in no hurry.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:02:57 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I have a set of used 9sp down tube Dura Ace shifters 
>>>
>>> I bought them when it seemed like a good idea because they were getting 
>>> more rare and expensive. 
>>>
>>> Corwin, if you still don’t have a solution in place next to week, I’ll 
>>> be near my stash and can work something out with you. 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay 
>>> El Cerrito Ca 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 6:43 PM Ian A  wrote:
>>>
 Re the Sunrace option. I noticed SjS Cycles in the UK carry these. They 
 also have a good selection of square taper bottom brackets.

 I have always found SJS to be completely honest about what they carry, 
 so you could email them and request an opinion. Reviews on the SJS site 
 for 
 the 8 and 9 speed shifters seem positive. The 8 speed version are 
 particularly low priced.

 IanA Alberta Canada


 On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:15:46 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Ah, interesting - amd I didn't know.  Here's  a set of concave 
> baseplates that would presumably be missing from the used thumby/lever 
> combo, which could hopefully complete that option.  (The Pauls have the 
> "square" milled -in.
>
> Longer levers are nicer than bar end levers anyway, which would be an 
> issue with the microshift option I guess.  
>
> There appears to be a Sunrace-branded option available, but I have no 
> idea about quality.
>
> Concave plates on ebay:
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324819072038?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=101=324819072038=1263104806006=m==9029376==14859008593=130497710760=pla-1263104806006=9300678=116345380=Cj0KCQjwy5maBhDdARIsAMxrkw0q0Dhcv0k34aQiah-q4Qeknx178WIqYsV5rHL0qlA8P4Zyyj_2oUgaAsr8EALw_wcB
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:39:25 AM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>
>> Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical 
>> BUT the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters 
>> cable 
>> track begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter 
>> pod.  What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is 
>> no 
>> longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you 
>> could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the 
>> pod. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the 
>>> quality of the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie 
>>> mounts, 
>>> but the lever shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they 
>>> probably work ok in downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would 
>>> just be 
>>> to get dura ace bar end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and 
>>> bolt 
>>> right on as downtube shifters.
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Keith -

 I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels 
 between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.

 And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that 
 impacts things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).

 Thanks,


 Corwin
 On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something 
> wrong:
>
> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use 
> the alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>
> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as 
> other shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, 
> right?
>
> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>
> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you 
> have.  I kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier 

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Jim Bronson]

The Microshifts are not just cheaper than Dura-Ace, they're cheaper than
anything Shimano.  They're also more sweat resistant than anything Shimano,
I have a history of gumming up Shimano bar-ends.  Never had this problem
with the Microshifts.  I've had them on my Custom for 8 years and will put
them on my Redwood if I ever ride it enough to wear out or gum up the 9
speed 105s that are on there.
Jim
austin suburbs, tx

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:20 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:

> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd DS
> instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them for
> over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are also
> cheaper than Dura Ace.
>
> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was
>> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is
>> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a
>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on
>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly
>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out
>> with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque
>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay
>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to
>> me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9
>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed
>> fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed
>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the
>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several
>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for
>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>
>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano
>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers
>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to
>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the
>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed
>> cassette)?
>>
>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be
>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Matt -

I am familiar with the gentleman in Albuquerque. We have traded several 
times (both directions).

I now have options on two sets of 9 speed Dura Ace levers. And both are 
local. So hopefully - no shenanigans required in Albuqurque.

Regards,

Corwin
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-7 MCT wrote:

> There is a gentleman in the group who lives in Albuquerque.  I don't want 
> to name him and call him out as may not be able to pick up the shifters.  
> He is quite active on the board, so I will not be surprised if he posts on 
> this thread soon.
>
> Matt in OKC
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:20:48 PM UTC-5 Mr. Ray wrote:
>
>> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd DS 
>> instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them for 
>> over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are also 
>> cheaper than Dura Ace.
>>
>> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings -
>>>
>>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
>>> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame 
>>> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>>> three options recently:
>>>
>>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
>>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>>> with a considerable savings.
>>>
>>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the 
>>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>>> cassette)?
>>>
>>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

I agree. Using 10 speed shift levers requires the cable routing hack on the 
rear derailer.

Regards,

Corwin
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:
>
> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>
> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>
> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>
> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you have.  I 
> kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and cheaper to 
> find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as pretty.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was 
>> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is 
>> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>> with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>> me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>> fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>
>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the 
>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>> cassette)?
>>
>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Bill -

I will gladly take those 9 speed down tube shifters off your hands.

Let me know whenever it's convenient for you. I am in no hurry.

Regards,


Corwin

On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:02:57 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I have a set of used 9sp down tube Dura Ace shifters 
>
> I bought them when it seemed like a good idea because they were getting 
> more rare and expensive. 
>
> Corwin, if you still don’t have a solution in place next to week, I’ll be 
> near my stash and can work something out with you. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca 
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 6:43 PM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> Re the Sunrace option. I noticed SjS Cycles in the UK carry these. They 
>> also have a good selection of square taper bottom brackets.
>>
>> I have always found SJS to be completely honest about what they carry, so 
>> you could email them and request an opinion. Reviews on the SJS site for 
>> the 8 and 9 speed shifters seem positive. The 8 speed version are 
>> particularly low priced.
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:15:46 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, interesting - amd I didn't know.  Here's  a set of concave 
>>> baseplates that would presumably be missing from the used thumby/lever 
>>> combo, which could hopefully complete that option.  (The Pauls have the 
>>> "square" milled -in.
>>>
>>> Longer levers are nicer than bar end levers anyway, which would be an 
>>> issue with the microshift option I guess.  
>>>
>>> There appears to be a Sunrace-branded option available, but I have no 
>>> idea about quality.
>>>
>>> Concave plates on ebay:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324819072038?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=101=324819072038=1263104806006=m==9029376==14859008593=130497710760=pla-1263104806006=9300678=116345380=Cj0KCQjwy5maBhDdARIsAMxrkw0q0Dhcv0k34aQiah-q4Qeknx178WIqYsV5rHL0qlA8P4Zyyj_2oUgaAsr8EALw_wcB
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:39:25 AM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>>
 Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical 
 BUT the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters cable 
 track begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter 
 pod.  What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is 
 no 
 longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you 
 could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the pod. 


 On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality 
> of the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the 
> lever shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably 
> work 
> ok in downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura 
> ace bar end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on 
> as 
> downtube shifters.
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith -
>>
>> I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels 
>> between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.
>>
>> And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that 
>> impacts things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something 
>>> wrong:
>>>
>>> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use 
>>> the alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>>>
>>> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
>>> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>>>
>>> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>>>
>>> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you 
>>> have.  I kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and 
>>> cheaper to find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not 
>>> as 
>>> pretty.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Greetings -

 About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items 
 stolen was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. 
 The 
 frame is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.

 I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers 
 for a while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I 
 have 
 seen three options recently:

 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies 
 on EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[William Lindsay]

I have a set of used 9sp down tube Dura Ace shifters

I bought them when it seemed like a good idea because they were getting
more rare and expensive.

Corwin, if you still don’t have a solution in place next to week, I’ll be
near my stash and can work something out with you.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 6:43 PM Ian A  wrote:

> Re the Sunrace option. I noticed SjS Cycles in the UK carry these. They
> also have a good selection of square taper bottom brackets.
>
> I have always found SJS to be completely honest about what they carry, so
> you could email them and request an opinion. Reviews on the SJS site for
> the 8 and 9 speed shifters seem positive. The 8 speed version are
> particularly low priced.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:15:46 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Ah, interesting - amd I didn't know.  Here's  a set of concave baseplates
>> that would presumably be missing from the used thumby/lever combo, which
>> could hopefully complete that option.  (The Pauls have the "square" milled
>> -in.
>>
>> Longer levers are nicer than bar end levers anyway, which would be an
>> issue with the microshift option I guess.
>>
>> There appears to be a Sunrace-branded option available, but I have no
>> idea about quality.
>>
>> Concave plates on ebay:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324819072038?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=101=324819072038=1263104806006=m==9029376==14859008593=130497710760=pla-1263104806006=9300678=116345380=Cj0KCQjwy5maBhDdARIsAMxrkw0q0Dhcv0k34aQiah-q4Qeknx178WIqYsV5rHL0qlA8P4Zyyj_2oUgaAsr8EALw_wcB
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:39:25 AM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical
>>> BUT the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters cable
>>> track begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter
>>> pod.  What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is no
>>> longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you
>>> could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the pod.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>>

 I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality
 of the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the
 lever shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably work
 ok in downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura
 ace bar end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on as
 downtube shifters.
 On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Keith -
>
> I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels
> between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.
>
> And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that
> impacts things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something
>> wrong:
>>
>> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the
>> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>>
>> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other
>> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>>
>> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>>
>> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you
>> have.  I kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and
>> cheaper to find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as
>> pretty.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings -
>>>
>>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items
>>> stolen was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. 
>>> The
>>> frame is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for
>>> a while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have 
>>> seen
>>> three options recently:
>>>
>>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies
>>> on EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers
>>> (possibly at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies 
>>> and
>>> come out with a considerable savings.
>>>
>>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in
>>> Albuquerque for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am
>>> willing to pay someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send
>>> the shifters to me.
>>>

[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Ian A]

Re the Sunrace option. I noticed SjS Cycles in the UK carry these. They 
also have a good selection of square taper bottom brackets.

I have always found SJS to be completely honest about what they carry, so 
you could email them and request an opinion. Reviews on the SJS site for 
the 8 and 9 speed shifters seem positive. The 8 speed version are 
particularly low priced.

IanA Alberta Canada


On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:15:46 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Ah, interesting - amd I didn't know.  Here's  a set of concave baseplates 
> that would presumably be missing from the used thumby/lever combo, which 
> could hopefully complete that option.  (The Pauls have the "square" milled 
> -in.
>
> Longer levers are nicer than bar end levers anyway, which would be an 
> issue with the microshift option I guess.  
>
> There appears to be a Sunrace-branded option available, but I have no idea 
> about quality.
>
> Concave plates on ebay:
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324819072038?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=101=324819072038=1263104806006=m==9029376==14859008593=130497710760=pla-1263104806006=9300678=116345380=Cj0KCQjwy5maBhDdARIsAMxrkw0q0Dhcv0k34aQiah-q4Qeknx178WIqYsV5rHL0qlA8P4Zyyj_2oUgaAsr8EALw_wcB
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:39:25 AM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>
>> Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical BUT 
>> the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters cable track 
>> begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter pod.  
>> What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is no 
>> longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you 
>> could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the pod. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality 
>>> of the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the 
>>> lever shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably work 
>>> ok in downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura 
>>> ace bar end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on as 
>>> downtube shifters.
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Hi Keith -

 I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels 
 between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.

 And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that impacts 
 things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).

 Thanks,


 Corwin
 On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:
>
> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>
> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>
> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>
> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you 
> have.  I kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and 
> cheaper to find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as 
> pretty.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
>> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The 
>> frame 
>> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for 
>> a while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have 
>> seen 
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies 
>> on EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers 
>> (possibly at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies 
>> and 
>> come out with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in 
>> Albuquerque for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am 
>> willing to pay someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send 
>> the shifters to me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 
>> 9 speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 
>> speed fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 
>> speed bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them 
>> on 
>> the custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>> 

[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[iamkeith]

Ah, interesting - amd I didn't know.  Here's  a set of concave baseplates 
that would presumably be missing from the used thumby/lever combo, which 
could hopefully complete that option.  (The Pauls have the "square" milled 
-in.

Longer levers are nicer than bar end levers anyway, which would be an issue 
with the microshift option I guess.  

There appears to be a Sunrace-branded option available, but I have no idea 
about quality.

Concave plates on ebay:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/324819072038?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=101=324819072038=1263104806006=m==9029376==14859008593=130497710760=pla-1263104806006=9300678=116345380=Cj0KCQjwy5maBhDdARIsAMxrkw0q0Dhcv0k34aQiah-q4Qeknx178WIqYsV5rHL0qlA8P4Zyyj_2oUgaAsr8EALw_wcB


On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:39:25 AM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:

> Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical BUT 
> the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters cable track 
> begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter pod.  
> What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is no 
> longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you 
> could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the pod. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality of 
>> the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the lever 
>> shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably work ok in 
>> downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura ace bar 
>> end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on as downtube 
>> shifters.
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith -
>>>
>>> I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels 
>>> between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.
>>>
>>> And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that impacts 
>>> things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:

 If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
 alternate cable attachment hack, right?

 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
 shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?

 You don't care if you have a friction option, right?

 You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you have.  
 I kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and cheaper 
 to 
 find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as pretty.



 On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Greetings -
>
> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame 
> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>
> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
> three options recently:
>
> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers 
> (possibly 
> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
> with a considerable savings.
>
> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
> me.
>
> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 
> speed 
> fine.
>
> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers 
> for 
> the custom and on other bikes.
>
> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw 
> the 
> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
> cassette)?
>
> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube 

[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Mr. Ray]

Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical BUT 
the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters cable track 
begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter pod.  
What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is no 
longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you 
could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the pod. 


On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

>
> I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality of 
> the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the lever 
> shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably work ok in 
> downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura ace bar 
> end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on as downtube 
> shifters.
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith -
>>
>> I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels 
>> between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.
>>
>> And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that impacts 
>> things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:
>>>
>>> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
>>> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>>>
>>> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
>>> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>>>
>>> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>>>
>>> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you have.  
>>> I kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and cheaper to 
>>> find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as pretty.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Greetings -

 About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
 was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame 
 is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.

 I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
 while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
 three options recently:

 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
 EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers 
 (possibly 
 at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
 with a considerable savings.

 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
 for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
 someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
 me.

 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
 speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
 fine.

 A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
 bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
 custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
 wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
 the custom and on other bikes.

 I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
 downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
 on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
 sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw 
 the 
 chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
 cassette)?

 Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
 available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.

 Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.

 Regards,

 Corwin

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[iamkeith]

I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality of 
the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the lever 
shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably work ok in 
downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura ace bar 
end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on as downtube 
shifters.
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Keith -
>
> I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels between 
> bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.
>
> And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that impacts 
> things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:
>>
>> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
>> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>>
>> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
>> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>>
>> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>>
>> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you have.  I 
>> kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and cheaper to 
>> find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as pretty.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings -
>>>
>>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen 
>>> was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame 
>>> is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>>> three options recently:
>>>
>>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
>>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>>> with a considerable savings.
>>>
>>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the 
>>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>>> cassette)?
>>>
>>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Keith -

I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels between 
bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.

And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that impacts 
things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).

Thanks,


Corwin
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:
>
> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>
> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>
> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>
> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you have.  I 
> kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and cheaper to 
> find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as pretty.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was 
>> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is 
>> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>> with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>> me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>> fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>
>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the 
>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>> cassette)?
>>
>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[MCT]

There is a gentleman in the group who lives in Albuquerque.  I don't want 
to name him and call him out as may not be able to pick up the shifters.  
He is quite active on the board, so I will not be surprised if he posts on 
this thread soon.

Matt in OKC

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:20:48 PM UTC-5 Mr. Ray wrote:

> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd DS 
> instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them for 
> over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are also 
> cheaper than Dura Ace.
>
> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was 
>> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is 
>> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
>> with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque 
>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
>> me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
>> fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed 
>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the 
>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several 
>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for 
>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>
>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano 
>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers 
>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to 
>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the 
>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed 
>> cassette)?
>>
>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Mr. Ray]

I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd DS 
instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them for 
over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are also 
cheaper than Dura Ace.

https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/

   

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Greetings -
>
> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was 
> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is 
> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>
> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
> three options recently:
>
> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
> with a considerable savings.
>
> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque for 
> sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
> me.
>
> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
> fine.
>
> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed bar 
> ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the custom. 
> I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several wheelsets with 9 
> speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for the custom and on 
> other bikes.
>
> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano downtube 
> lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers on the 
> custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to sell to 
> someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the chain 
> off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed cassette)?
>
> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>
> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[iamkeith]

Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something wrong:

If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the 
alternate cable attachment hack, right?

9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other 
shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?

You don't care if you have a friction option, right?

You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you have.  I 
kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and cheaper to 
find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as pretty.



On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Greetings -
>
> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was 
> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is 
> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>
> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a 
> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen 
> three options recently:
>
> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on 
> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly 
> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out 
> with a considerable savings.
>
> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque for 
> sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay 
> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to 
> me.
>
> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9 
> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed 
> fine.
>
> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed bar 
> ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the custom. 
> I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several wheelsets with 9 
> speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for the custom and on 
> other bikes.
>
> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano downtube 
> lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers on the 
> custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to sell to 
> someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the chain 
> off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed cassette)?
>
> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be 
> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>
> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>

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