[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2
I will share a personal anecdote about my V1 shifters. I disassembled them to switch from being bar-end back to being down tube shifters. When I put them on the downtube, one of them kept slipping and wouldn't hold no matter how hard I tightened the bolt (and I broke a few plastic washers). After a day or two, I opened it up and realized I'd put the sprocket in backwards (so yeah, duh, it definitely wouldn't hold). I'm sure that's not your case... The newer replacement washers did work better for me (but they still crack over time). The brass replacement washers is what I have now, and they work well. cheers, John (near Fontainebleau) On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 3:52:05 AM UTC+2 Jay wrote: > I'm sure that is frustrating! I feel for you. I don't like when anything > mechanical is not functioning up to par. > > I only have experience with Dia-Compe Ene 11s. They slipped once on me, > without realizing what was happening. I got home, googled it, figured it > out and only had to tighten the 'd' ring and that has so far solved the > problem. I bought loc-tite but haven't used it. > > Good luck! > > On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote: > >> Ian, >> I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it >> solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to >> Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike >> mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the >> Microshift worked for me. >> Doug >> >> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote: >> >>> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, >>> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and >>> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of >>> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them >>> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags. >>> >>> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters >>> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available >>> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the >>> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also. >>> >>> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to >>> the Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds >>> my gears. >>> >>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote: >>> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but I've never had slippage. You do have to line up the square piece when installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's tight enough to hold. The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you the critical points of contact to line up. I do know the plastic washers break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter takes most of the force of the fall. On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote: > I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic > ideal whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the > performance refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't > get > the shifter to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then > over-tightening. There's still no better option than the plastic washer? > Hoped the brass bit over the plastic would protect it, no such luck they > always crack. I'm tired of trying to make these work. > > Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... > let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the > same > internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look > that > maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a > noticeable difference. > > I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end > price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or > advice welcome. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5e5251e4-3582-4d6f-998c-7adda3bbb3bdn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2
I'm sure that is frustrating! I feel for you. I don't like when anything mechanical is not functioning up to par. I only have experience with Dia-Compe Ene 11s. They slipped once on me, without realizing what was happening. I got home, googled it, figured it out and only had to tighten the 'd' ring and that has so far solved the problem. I bought loc-tite but haven't used it. Good luck! On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote: > Ian, > I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it > solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to > Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike > mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the > Microshift worked for me. > Doug > > On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote: > >> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, >> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and >> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of >> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them >> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags. >> >> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters >> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available >> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the >> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also. >> >> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the >> Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my >> gears. >> >> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but >>> I've never had slippage. You do have to line up the square piece when >>> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's >>> tight enough to hold. The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you >>> the critical points of contact to line up. I do know the plastic washers >>> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter >>> takes most of the force of the fall. >>> >>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote: >>> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of trying to make these work. Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a noticeable difference. I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or advice welcome. >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5c803253-ae86-4a50-83aa-0a7af0bb3d86n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2
Ian, I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the Microshift worked for me. Doug On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote: > I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, > both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and > bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of > her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them > from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags. > > On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters > come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available > separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the > older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also. > > I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the > Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my > gears. > > On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote: > >> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but >> I've never had slippage. You do have to line up the square piece when >> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's >> tight enough to hold. The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you >> the critical points of contact to line up. I do know the plastic washers >> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter >> takes most of the force of the fall. >> >> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote: >> >>> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal >>> whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance >>> refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter >>> to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's >>> still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over >>> the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of >>> trying to make these work. >>> >>> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... >>> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same >>> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that >>> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a >>> noticeable difference. >>> >>> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end >>> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or >>> advice welcome. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c4695001-9161-4d3e-bf8e-f2d1ce616db3n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2
I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags. On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also. I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my gears. On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote: > I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but > I've never had slippage. You do have to line up the square piece when > installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's > tight enough to hold. The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you > the critical points of contact to line up. I do know the plastic washers > break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter > takes most of the force of the fall. > > On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote: > >> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal >> whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance >> refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter >> to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's >> still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over >> the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of >> trying to make these work. >> >> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... >> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same >> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that >> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a >> noticeable difference. >> >> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end >> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or >> advice welcome. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1e4a44a2-76ec-417a-9ae8-74027df3fb44n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2
I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but I've never had slippage. You do have to line up the square piece when installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's tight enough to hold. The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you the critical points of contact to line up. I do know the plastic washers break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter takes most of the force of the fall. On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote: > I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal > whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance > refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter > to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's > still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over > the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of > trying to make these work. > > Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... > let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same > internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that > maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a > noticeable difference. > > I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end price > rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or advice > welcome. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5e6950f9-17cd-432c-96ed-ab13b8bb69c2n%40googlegroups.com.
