[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
All of my bikes have triples 24/36/46 and I've had one with a 50/38/24 ... I've never actually had problems with chain length. .. all I do is size it to small small with the slightest tension and go with it. I don't want to give up the big.. and I ride in the 36 or 38 most of the time up front.. however the 24 saves me often. A 24/36 climbing gear when fully loaded gear and otherwise. I don't get that extreme with a compact double. Either I don't get a big enough top end or not lough enough bottom end.When I had plastic bikes the 50/34 was all I had for hill days so 34/27 was best I could do.. yuck.. :) So just throwing my vote out there for the triple.. :) I love em.. :) I do have a 42/24 White industries double if anyone is looking :) My wife kept running out of gear with flats and tailwinds so I got her a Rene Herse triple. Now if I was in shape and strong I would totally agree with the compact double :) With respect .. old fat and slow me :) Kelly On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 5:31:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: fair enough - we mostly assumed you were posting the photo to laugh about it rather than ask. But kind of the point of having a compact double is to ride in those extremes. On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 11:05:38 AM UTC-5, A. L Young wrote: Nah, everything's fine now after adding an extra link to the chain. I don't ride in big-big or small-small combos, so I'm not concerned about this happening again. I shared this mostly to laugh at myself a bit and as a reminder to check chain length after swapping out drive train parts. Cheers! Aaron Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
On most triples, you're not going to even want opposite extreme chainlines. Even on my cyclotouriste triple, which is half-steps plus bailout (and is narrow enough to use a road double FD), my Suntour Cyclone GT RD doesn't have sufficient chain wrap to get me down to my smallest rear cog on my bailout ring - but I don't need it. Tinkering with this setup is where I modeled the compact double on my newer bike. But the compact double setup, you really do want to be able to get through all the combinations, so you want adequate chain wrap in your RD, and you want chain adjusted properly for the range. On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-5, Kelly wrote: All of my bikes have triples 24/36/46 and I've had one with a 50/38/24 ... I've never actually had problems with chain length. .. all I do is size it to small small with the slightest tension and go with it. I don't want to give up the big.. and I ride in the 36 or 38 most of the time up front.. however the 24 saves me often. A 24/36 climbing gear when fully loaded gear and otherwise. I don't get that extreme with a compact double. Either I don't get a big enough top end or not lough enough bottom end.When I had plastic bikes the 50/34 was all I had for hill days so 34/27 was best I could do.. yuck.. :) So just throwing my vote out there for the triple.. :) I love em.. :) I do have a 42/24 White industries double if anyone is looking :) My wife kept running out of gear with flats and tailwinds so I got her a Rene Herse triple. Now if I was in shape and strong I would totally agree with the compact double :) With respect .. old fat and slow me :) Kelly On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 5:31:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: fair enough - we mostly assumed you were posting the photo to laugh about it rather than ask. But kind of the point of having a compact double is to ride in those extremes. On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 11:05:38 AM UTC-5, A. L Young wrote: Nah, everything's fine now after adding an extra link to the chain. I don't ride in big-big or small-small combos, so I'm not concerned about this happening again. I shared this mostly to laugh at myself a bit and as a reminder to check chain length after swapping out drive train parts. Cheers! Aaron Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
fair enough - we mostly assumed you were posting the photo to laugh about it rather than ask. But kind of the point of having a compact double is to ride in those extremes. On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 11:05:38 AM UTC-5, A. L Young wrote: Nah, everything's fine now after adding an extra link to the chain. I don't ride in big-big or small-small combos, so I'm not concerned about this happening again. I shared this mostly to laugh at myself a bit and as a reminder to check chain length after swapping out drive train parts. Cheers! Aaron Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
I always found that Suntour rear derailleurs had a very nice way of providing a way to set the big ring/small cog position, presuming you've selected rings and max cog sizes within a unit's specifications. It was an embossed dot on the outer cage side plate that was to be aligned with the mark on the cage spring housing, just across the plastic seal/bushing from the cage. B-screw adjustment would finalize the adjustment to optimize. Short cage on triples was an interesting MTB phase just before the MicroDrive (and Shimano's answer) kicked in. The overt marketing of requisite rider skill attracted many who didn't have it. Coffee and breakfast with a short cage XC Pro RD in front of the computer. Andy Cheatham PIttsburgh On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 6:17:22 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: two things to look at on optimizing chain length. On biggest ring and biggest cog, your RD should be forward no more than 45 degrees, if it's less, the chain's too short. On your smallest and smallest, the length of chain running between the two jockey wheels should be pointing no higher than horizontal, if it is, the chain is too long. There should be enough chain wrap on most long cage derailleurs to make this do-able. Something else, you're stretching the RD cage return spring farther than it was designed to go, and it may take a set. . On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 4:11:07 PM UTC-5, A. L Young wrote: On the Atlantis I was switching from downtube to bar end shifters (front derailer only) and did this during a test ride. http://flic.kr/p/w9Ntbb I swapped the cassette a while back. New one has a higher-toothed low gear. I guess I forgot to resize the chain length. After the addition of a link I can happily if awkwardly ride again in the big-big combo. :) Aaron Awkward and Happy Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
Nah, everything's fine now after adding an extra link to the chain. I don't ride in big-big or small-small combos, so I'm not concerned about this happening again. I shared this mostly to laugh at myself a bit and as a reminder to check chain length after swapping out drive train parts. Cheers! Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Saturday, July 25, 2015, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Have you eyeballed your rear alignment? I did something similar on an old MTB and bent the rear-end so much that I had to trash the bike. The frame builder I took it to said the entire rear was displaced to the side by 2.5 or something like that and the chainstays themselves were bent beyond repair. On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 4:11:07 PM UTC-5, A. L Young wrote: On the Atlantis I was switching from downtube to bar end shifters (front derailer only) and did this during a test ride. http://flic.kr/p/w9Ntbb I swapped the cassette a while back. New one has a higher-toothed low gear. I guess I forgot to resize the chain length. After the addition of a link I can happily if awkwardly ride again in the big-big combo. :) Aaron Awkward and Happy Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
Have you eyeballed your rear alignment? I did something similar on an old MTB and bent the rear-end so much that I had to trash the bike. The frame builder I took it to said the entire rear was displaced to the side by 2.5 or something like that and the chainstays themselves were bent beyond repair. On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 4:11:07 PM UTC-5, A. L Young wrote: On the Atlantis I was switching from downtube to bar end shifters (front derailer only) and did this during a test ride. http://flic.kr/p/w9Ntbb I swapped the cassette a while back. New one has a higher-toothed low gear. I guess I forgot to resize the chain length. After the addition of a link I can happily if awkwardly ride again in the big-big combo. :) Aaron Awkward and Happy Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
two things to look at on optimizing chain length. On biggest ring and biggest cog, your RD should be forward no more than 45 degrees, if it's less, the chain's too short. On your smallest and smallest, the length of chain running between the two jockey wheels should be pointing no higher than horizontal, if it is, the chain is too long. There should be enough chain wrap on most long cage derailleurs to make this do-able. Something else, you're stretching the RD cage return spring farther than it was designed to go, and it may take a set. . On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 4:11:07 PM UTC-5, A. L Young wrote: On the Atlantis I was switching from downtube to bar end shifters (front derailer only) and did this during a test ride. http://flic.kr/p/w9Ntbb I swapped the cassette a while back. New one has a higher-toothed low gear. I guess I forgot to resize the chain length. After the addition of a link I can happily if awkwardly ride again in the big-big combo. :) Aaron Awkward and Happy Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
Yup, everybody whose ridden more than 100 miles over hilly terrain has done that. Personally I avoid wide range clusters because there is too much jump between gears. Adding a link to a chain cn be tricky, glad you pull it off, I mean put it on. Michael On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 5:11:07 PM UTC-4, A. L Young wrote: On the Atlantis I was switching from downtube to bar end shifters (front derailer only) and did this during a test ride. http://flic.kr/p/w9Ntbb I swapped the cassette a while back. New one has a higher-toothed low gear. I guess I forgot to resize the chain length. After the addition of a link I can happily if awkwardly ride again in the big-big combo. :) Aaron Awkward and Happy Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Something's not right here...
I like this method. Very easy. They even tell you at which link to cut the chain. Worked great on my Sam when I went to 8-speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZHbfblJzaw -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
