[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-22 Thread wile
I had a similar problem with the silver brakes on my AHH when new. I was using Ultegra levers and they definitely felt mushy. After some months and putting in a lot of miles on the bike, I noticed that the problem had completely disappeared. The bike would stop on a dime with very little flexy

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-15 Thread grant
The Silver/Tiagra lever combo has been working well. It's hard to diagnose the problem online, of course, but there's nothing inherent 'bout the 'bo that ought to make anything funky. There are differences in feel flex among brakes, but the differences are by faaa most noticeable when

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-15 Thread Earl Grey
Haven't read the whole thread, but I second this comment, with the additional note that i find it actually very difficult to square cable housing well with a file. Use a dremel tool or grind stone to do the job really well. Sheldon brown has some good photos of well-squared housing ends for

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-15 Thread William
there's nothing inherent 'bout the 'bo that ought to make anything funky Using my Grant decoder ring, I'll guess that 'bout the 'bo translates to about the combination. FWIW I bought the OP's Silvers, so any advice about how to make the Silvers work better are pretty much moot. I'm confident

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-15 Thread Garth
FWIW I've found it's not necessary to have a perfectly square cable end. I've driven myself nuts trying to do it, but then realized as long as the cut is clean, the angle doesn't have to be perfectly square. This is based on my many trials and errors. The most useful tool I have is one I'm

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-14 Thread Garth
On Sep 13, 5:21 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: ** My Dura-Ace brake levers are incredibly squishy** Thanks, Adam You really need to pursue this, either the levers don't have the correct pull, or there is drag in the cabling. Or a combo of both. If the cable is the

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-14 Thread JoelMatthews
P.S.  The Tektro/Silvers are on the flexy side due to their length, but should still give reasonable performance if set up right. I have been thinking about getting a Hilsen 650B frame but am worried about the Silver caliper flex. I definitely want to use Hetres on my 650B. With fenders seems

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-14 Thread Peter Pesce
Adam- I'll throw in my 2 cents. Ideally, every bit of force you apply to the lever should be transmitted to the brake pad. Any part of your system that flexes is actually indicating a place where your efforts are being used to bend metal, and are not making it to the pads. (Cable or pivot

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-14 Thread Garth
Wait a mintute though ,we're talking about Silver Caliper brakes yes? If so, what's all the talk about canti geometry and yokes? The problem is not the brakes, it's either some drag in the line or the levers themselves. Calipers are calipers, if you squeeze them in your hand they should spring

Re: [RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-14 Thread CycloFiend
on 9/14/10 11:07 AM, Garth at garth...@gmail.com wrote: Wait a mintute though ,we're talking about Silver Caliper brakes yes? If so, what's all the talk about canti geometry and yokes? The problem is not the brakes, it's either some drag in the line or the levers themselves. Calipers are

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-13 Thread Dave Craig
Adam A travel agent won't help. It is designed for linear pull brakes. Is it possible that you used derailleur cable housing instead of brake housing? Is it possible that the brake housing isn't properly seated in the brake lever bodies? On Sep 13, 2:27 pm, James Warren

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-13 Thread MichaelH
I certainly can't give you a definitive answer, but I can share my experience. I had a bike with Shimano canti brakes and Ultegra levers. The stopping power was frighteningly poor. First I switched to a set of paul's neo retros and that helped smewhat. Then I replaced the Ultegraa Brifters

Re: [RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 16:34 -0700, MichaelH wrote: I have come to the conclusion that Shimano levers simply don't draw enough cable to work reliably with anything other than short reach shimano brakes. I don't know about brifters - I've never used them - but Shimano aero brake levers work

[RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-13 Thread meinertj
Hey Adam, I've never worked with the Silvers or the Pauls, but I work on a lot of older 80's road bikes and often encounter squishy brakes. Are the levers returning to their position because if not it may be a cable issue, but it doesn't sound like it. Are your wheels out of true? because if so

Re: [RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-13 Thread cyclotourist
Hi James! :-) On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:42 PM, meinertj meine...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Adam, I've never worked with the Silvers or the Pauls, but I work on a lot of older 80's road bikes and often encounter squishy brakes. Are the levers returning to their position because if not it may be

Re: [RBW] Re: Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?

2010-09-13 Thread James Warren
I have had a few occasions of poor brake set-up in general, but I have never had poor brake performance when using the Shimano Tiagra levers that Rivendell sells. And this has been Tiagra levers with cantilevers and with longreach sidepulls, one of each of these set-ups currently in action