[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
Yes, that is what I am speaking of when I referring to the failure mode: a bulge that eventually will not go under the brake bridge anymore. This has happened to all the rears that I have mounted. None have lasted longer than 1200 miles. The fronts don't last that much longer. This is mostly in brevet usage. I may be exceeding the weight rating of the tire, I weigh 240 and I ride a Rivendell with lots of gear along for the ride. The tire weight limit is 275. You do the math :-) I still love the tires and will continue to run them. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Apr 24, 12:32 pm, Chicken Sandwich brons2.li...@gmail.com wrote: Failure mode seems to be a large bulge in the tire that eventually contacts the brake bridge. yikes! what do you mean by failure? repeated flatting, blow-out, or what? to be clear, you're saying that a bulge develops (presumably near the end of the tire's life), then eventually gets so large that it's contacting the frame? that can't be very pleasant to ride on, even well before it hits the brake bridge! has this happened with more than one tire? i'm curious b/c i get considerably more mileage out of my GB cypres and have never encountered this issue. that's a bummer - especially considering the cost of these tires. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: It's a little surprising to me that any Riv would have a brake bridge so low that a bulging Cypress could even come close to it. I'd expect any 650b Riv would take at least a CdLV, if not a Fatty Rumpkin. Was this a conversion from a 559 bike? No - It is a custom that was intentionally built with short reach brakes. Not by me, I bought it used. It barely fits the 30mm Grand Bois, that's one of the reasons I stick with them, they're the fattest tire I can get in there. I used to post under a different email, I was just getting too much email at that address so I created a separate account for all my list serve email. I'm considering an AHH for my next attempt at PBP, but for now I am soldiering on as-is. cs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
On Apr 24, 9:10 am, sanjoser thomas.savar...@gmail.com wrote: I find that I can get 3K out of 26x1.95 continentals on my atlantis, however, I'm stuck in this odd cycle where they start to get worn in september-october, which is the peak of the thorn season in Northern California, I start getting a bunch of flats, I replace my tires, and they're worn out again just in time for the next year's thorn season. I don't know how to break out of this without replacing relatively new tires at some point. Your front should out last the rear 3 to 1 if not more. So, to break out of your cycle of yearly replacement, which actually isn't a bad idea, you could just rotate your tires - toss old worned rear tire, move front tire to rear and put a NEW tire on the front. I do this when I start getting a bunch of flats in the rear. Good Luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
Just to add my $0.02, I run the Grand Bois Cypress on my Riv and I only get about 1K on each rear tire. Failure mode seems to be a large bulge in the tire that eventually contacts the brake bridge. Despite this, I love these tires! I do not rotate tires, I just replace the bad one. On 4/24/09, Brewster Fong bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 24, 9:10 am, sanjoser thomas.savar...@gmail.com wrote: I find that I can get 3K out of 26x1.95 continentals on my atlantis, however, I'm stuck in this odd cycle where they start to get worn in september-october, which is the peak of the thorn season in Northern California, I start getting a bunch of flats, I replace my tires, and they're worn out again just in time for the next year's thorn season. I don't know how to break out of this without replacing relatively new tires at some point. Your front should out last the rear 3 to 1 if not more. So, to break out of your cycle of yearly replacement, which actually isn't a bad idea, you could just rotate your tires - toss old worned rear tire, move front tire to rear and put a NEW tire on the front. I do this when I start getting a bunch of flats in the rear. Good Luck! -- Sent from my mobile device --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Doug Peterson In the good old days I could grind up a Specilizied Turbo S in less than 1K miles on the rear, with plenty of flats. As they say, your mileage may vary. Mine does, I guess: 200 gram Specialized 559 Turbos had 1500 (front and rear) when I checked a few months ago, and the rear was clearly still good, if worn square. One puncture in 3K miles? Where do y'all live? I consider myself on a good streak if I get one flat per week per bike. And, again, that is a *good* streak. One per day is a bad streak. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
Oh, and fwiw, I got 3500 miles out of a rear 571X23 Conti Grand Prix. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
On Apr 24, 12:32 pm, Chicken Sandwich brons2.li...@gmail.com wrote: Failure mode seems to be a large bulge in the tire that eventually contacts the brake bridge. yikes! what do you mean by failure? repeated flatting, blow-out, or what? to be clear, you're saying that a bulge develops (presumably near the end of the tire's life), then eventually gets so large that it's contacting the frame? that can't be very pleasant to ride on, even well before it hits the brake bridge! has this happened with more than one tire? i'm curious b/c i get considerably more mileage out of my GB cypres and have never encountered this issue. that's a bummer - especially considering the cost of these tires. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
Contintentals seem to get good wear. IIRC there was something in Bicycling about getting similar mileage on a GP. Friends using Gatorskins for sporty touring speak well of the flat resistance and wear. I recall an economical Conti, something like Super Sport or something, wearing well in light touring service. Maybe worth looking into since my Schwalbe Marathon Supremes seem to be on back order. dougP _ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:50 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear Oh, and fwiw, I got 3500 miles out of a rear 571X23 Conti Grand Prix. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:41 PM, awilliams53 wrote: How many miles should be expected from a set of tires? I'm riding on Panaracer Col De La Vie 650B Randonee tires with about 3,000 miles on them, and picked up my first flat today. Fixing the thing gave me the opportunity to inspect them more closely than usual (while sitting by the side of the road) and I noticed that the tread was work in places and some small cracks were evident. What has been others' experience? I don't know about CdV longevity, never having used them, but you've gotten more miles out of those than I normally get out of any tire on the rear wheel. I think the longest wearing 700C tires I have used have been Conti Grand Prix and Ultra 2000, which lasted about 2500 miles on the rear. Also, 1 flat in 3000 miles is pretty spectacular. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
On Apr 22, 12:41 am, awilliams53 awilliam...@gmail.com wrote: How many miles should be expected from a set of tires? I'm riding on Panaracer Col De La Vie 650B Randonee tires with about 3,000 miles on them, and picked up my first flat today. Fixing the thing gave me the opportunity to inspect them more closely than usual (while sitting by the side of the road) and I noticed that the tread was work in places and some small cracks were evident. What has been others' experience? I have about 5,000 miles on a pair of Col De la Vies and the rear is nearing replacement in the next 1-2K. I'll continue to ride them until they start flatting more frequently or if I feel them unsafe at any point.. At that time, I'll just rotate the front to the rear, add a new front, and be good for another 4-7K. I've flatted only two times with these tires in about 5,000 miles and I ride them very hard. One was due to under-inflation on a recently- graded, gravel road on a 35mph descent. The other was a roofing nail. Neither were the tire's fault. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
3K is pretty darn good in my book. I check my tires frequently for wear and picking out bits that are stuck in them. When I start to see cracks that's my indicator that a new tire is needed, and I almost never get a flat. My last flat was about 3 years ago - a tedious experience that I do not wish to repeat. Crossing my fingers for this season, and what a season it's starting out to be! Sunny and dry here in Eugene. Kathryn Hall On Apr 21, 9:41 pm, awilliams53 awilliam...@gmail.com wrote: How many miles should be expected from a set of tires? I'm riding on Panaracer Col De La Vie 650B Randonee tires with about 3,000 miles on them, and picked up my first flat today. Fixing the thing gave me the opportunity to inspect them more closely than usual (while sitting by the side of the road) and I noticed that the tread was work in places and some small cracks were evident. What has been others' experience? Andy http://awilliams53.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
Not sure about total miles, but I've picked up two flats in about the last 1000 on my Col de la Vie's. Not particularly bad considering the inner-city commuter route the tires see daily, which has it's share of broken glass and construction sites, and the trail stuff on weekends. Probably going with fatty rumpkin or the marathon next, mostly to try them out. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
I run my tires right down to the cord! I typically get 5+ thousand miles from a set of 700c road tires; some tires seem to last much longer than others. I don't replace them when I start seeing the small cracks that typically occur. I have had a couple where the tread started to separate...they were replaced right away. There is a Ritchey Tom Slick on the front of my All-Rounder commuter bike that is as old as the bike...10 years old. It's had lots of little cracks for years now...I don't recall when I had the last flat with this tire. At the rate this tire is wearing, it may outlast me. As Kathryn points out, picking out the shart things helps. Angus On Apr 23, 11:01 am, clevewheel clevewh...@gmail.com wrote: 3K is pretty darn good in my book. I check my tires frequently for wear and picking out bits that are stuck in them. When I start to see cracks that's my indicator that a new tire is needed, and I almost never get a flat. My last flat was about 3 years ago - a tedious experience that I do not wish to repeat. Crossing my fingers for this season, and what a season it's starting out to be! Sunny and dry here in Eugene. Kathryn Hall On Apr 21, 9:41 pm, awilliams53 awilliam...@gmail.com wrote: How many miles should be expected from a set of tires? I'm riding on Panaracer Col De La Vie 650B Randonee tires with about 3,000 miles on them, and picked up my first flat today. Fixing the thing gave me the opportunity to inspect them more closely than usual (while sitting by the side of the road) and I noticed that the tread was work in places and some small cracks were evident. What has been others' experience? Andy http://awilliams53.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
I'm well over 4,000 on a pair of Schwalbe Marathon Supremes in 35 x 700 size, with one flat. The rear's getting worn, definitely on it's last legs, don't expect it to see 5K. Before that was Panaracer T-servs in 32 x 700 that were great for 3k then started flatting and were pretty shot at 4k (front still had life but I changed both tires to Schwalbe). Panaracer Paselas were OK, maybe 2K-2500 but I got a lot of sidewall cuts messing around off-road. My fault, not the tires. 3K sounds like good service, esp if that's your first flat. In the good old days I could grind up a Specilizied Turbo S in less than 1K miles on the rear, with plenty of flats. As they say, your mileage may vary. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim McNamara Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:36 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:41 PM, awilliams53 wrote: How many miles should be expected from a set of tires? I'm riding on Panaracer Col De La Vie 650B Randonee tires with about 3,000 miles on them, and picked up my first flat today. Fixing the thing gave me the opportunity to inspect them more closely than usual (while sitting by the side of the road) and I noticed that the tread was work in places and some small cracks were evident. What has been others' experience? I don't know about CdV longevity, never having used them, but you've gotten more miles out of those than I normally get out of any tire on the rear wheel. I think the longest wearing 700C tires I have used have been Conti Grand Prix and Ultra 2000, which lasted about 2500 miles on the rear. Also, 1 flat in 3000 miles is pretty spectacular. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tire Wear and Tear
I am not answering your question here, but wanted to go on a bit about how much I like these tires. I splurged and bought a pair of 650A for my old 1966 era 3 speed. This bike is my bad weather, take anything, commuter and upright townie. I had been running cheap Kenda tires for years. The Col de la Vies gave it a silky smooth ride, even pumped up to max-recommended 55psi. This experience, and Jon Heine's BQ articles, about tire performance have enlightened me. Give me any old cheap derailer, for example, but I will splurge on great tires. Perhaps the most important component?! On Apr 21, 10:41 pm, awilliams53 awilliam...@gmail.com wrote: How many miles should be expected from a set of tires? I'm riding on Panaracer Col De La Vie 650B Randonee tires with about 3,000 miles on them, and picked up my first flat today. Fixing the thing gave me the opportunity to inspect them more closely than usual (while sitting by the side of the road) and I noticed that the tread was work in places and some small cracks were evident. What has been others' experience? Andy http://awilliams53.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
