[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Conway Bennett]

Pancake,

I have these Specialized tires too.  Not supple but slick and durable.  These I 
belt are also out of production.  I would bundle all four for $60 net to me.

https://www.amaincycling.com/specialized-fatboy-tire-tan-sidewall-29-x-1.7-700c-x-45mm-003e-0345-p/p578879

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Pancake]

>
> The Compass tire is nice but I had to many issues so I had the Shikoro 48s 
> on my 56 Sam. NOt as supple but smooth and no flats.

Very good to hear, maybe this will be my next tire ... for now I've got the 
38mm G-one speed tires arriving in the mail today (hopefully). Very helpful 
to know (1) the 48mm Shikoro fits and (2) they flat less ... my Snoqualmie 
pass tires got too many goathead flats which lead me to get them setup 
tubeless, which lead to this tubeless failure from too high pressure and/or 
too worn tires. 44mm seemed great size for the Sam, but I'm curious to try 
"narrow" 38mm tires again for the first time in several years. 

My current setup is the Snoqualmie tires with tubes, I'll wear them down 
until May when I'll try the g-one speed tires on my second Century ride 
(Santa Rosa Wine Country Century for anyone who might be there too!). I 
keep 2 oz of Panaracer Smart Seal tubeless sealant in the tubes for the 
goat heads now that I'm not tubeless anymore.

I have a set of resist nomad 700 x 45d in skinwall which came off of my Sam 
> Hillborne that I that I would sell.  Total dark horse in this category and 
> I believe they are out of production.

I've never heard of these (please PM me a price shipped to Napa, CA). A 
quick googling about showed some positive reviews about these significantly 
lower price tires ($23 new currently). Though, as you said, not available 
in skinwall anymore .. but they are available in all black or *bright red* 
sidewall:
https://demolitionparts.com/product/nomad-tires-by-resist-parts/



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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Conway Bennett]

I have a set of resist nomad 700 x 45d in skinwall which came off of my Sam 
Hillborne that I that I would sell.  Total dark horse in this category and I 
believe they are out of production.

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Hayden]

The Compass tire is nice but I had to many issues so I had the Shikoro 48s 
on my 56 Sam. NOt as supple but smooth and no flats.



On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 4:54:23 PM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:
>
> My Compass Snoqualmie Pass tires are worn out according to Rene Herse - 
> the rear tire blew (it was setup tubeless), probably I was running a 
> pressure too high (at the tubeless max, 60 psi). Now that I’m looking to 
> replace them I was considering these wider 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple 
> Vitesse EX TR tires. Can anybody talk me out of these or into something 
> better? I’d like them to be tubeless compatible, but it’s not necessary. 
> Could go for anything between 40mm and whatever the limit for the Sam with 
> no fenders (apparently up to 45mm but some have fit up to 50mm depending on 
> the rim and brake setup). 
>
> My rims are Alex Adventurer II (slightly less wise than Cliffhangers, but 
> wider than Atlas rims). 
>
> Abe “what was the popping noise!” in Napa

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Pancake]

I suspect the Soma Supple Vitesse would have fit based on the Big Bens that 
barely fit according to these photos from another list member:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/with/15831687195/

But I’m happy with having ordered the 38mm g-one speed tires. I’ll wear them 
out and call it a learning experience ... now where to find those 2,000+ miles 
to wear them down ... 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Jason Fuller]

I love Rene Herse tires but I would buy a different brand for tubeless. 
They seem to be more fickle than other brands for tubeless. Maybe the 
endurance casing is better?  

60 psi is very high for 44c, I run my 42c at 40 - 45 psi.  That would be 
the first adjustment I would make, personally.  48c ought to be 35 - 40 psi 
IMO, maybe 45 if you're bigger / carrying loads  

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Michael Baquerizo]

Did you order them in the 38? Curious to know once you mount them if you 
think you could have bumped up a size (especially if you think you could 
and fenders would still fit)

On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 12:47:05 PM UTC-4, Pancake wrote:
>
> I’m convinced Adam, though I ordered the “Speed” because that’s what I 
> have on my Rosco Baby (albeit in 60mm width) and I really enjoy them. I 
> don’t get the Sam in much dirt (the Rosco, my Cheviot, or, if needed, my 
> Salsa El Mariachi!) so it’s my “go slightly faster bike” that will enjoy 
> much more pavement and occasional gravel/dirt. 
>
> No tan sidewalls, not as wide, but a bit cheaper and possibly better 
> puncture resistance than the Snoqualmie Pass tires I guess. 
>
> Abe

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Pancake]

I’m convinced Adam, though I ordered the “Speed” because that’s what I have on 
my Rosco Baby (albeit in 60mm width) and I really enjoy them. I don’t get the 
Sam in much dirt (the Rosco, my Cheviot, or, if needed, my Salsa El Mariachi!) 
so it’s my “go slightly faster bike” that will enjoy much more pavement and 
occasional gravel/dirt. 

No tan sidewalls, not as wide, but a bit cheaper and possibly better puncture 
resistance than the Snoqualmie Pass tires I guess. 

Abe

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Adam Leibow]

try Schwalbe All Around 700x38 (measure 40mm). similar suppleness/speed as 
Rene Herse but seem more resilient and have some tread / bite

On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 4:54:23 PM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:
>
> My Compass Snoqualmie Pass tires are worn out according to Rene Herse - 
> the rear tire blew (it was setup tubeless), probably I was running a 
> pressure too high (at the tubeless max, 60 psi). Now that I’m looking to 
> replace them I was considering these wider 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple 
> Vitesse EX TR tires. Can anybody talk me out of these or into something 
> better? I’d like them to be tubeless compatible, but it’s not necessary. 
> Could go for anything between 40mm and whatever the limit for the Sam with 
> no fenders (apparently up to 45mm but some have fit up to 50mm depending on 
> the rim and brake setup). 
>
> My rims are Alex Adventurer II (slightly less wise than Cliffhangers, but 
> wider than Atlas rims). 
>
> Abe “what was the popping noise!” in Napa

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[Pancake]

Thanks for the quick reply. Bikes are kept in the garage (inside). 

I also use the Basketball tires on my Cheviot, 42mm, reflective sidewalls, can 
be found for close to $20 AND the VERY rarely flat on me (maybe twice in 3,000 
miles, just switched to a new pair about 200 miles ago). They’re my backup plan 
for the Hillborne, but I like to fancy it up a bit because it’s got a fun 
background. 

I am curious if anyone has fit 48mm Soma Supple Vitesse tires on a 56cm Sam 
Hillborne? Or similar tubeless compatible tires in about that size?

Do you keep your bike outside?  I've had a few Compass Steilacoom and Barlow 
Pass blow out in the sidewalls all of a sudden (scary, in traffic each time), 
and my theory is it's sun exposure degrading the sidewall after a year or so 
outdoors in NY.   I recently replaced with Conti basketball tires, they are 
wonderful if not quite as supple, 42 w/ fenders on Cheviot (should be very 
similar to Sam). 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Hillborne: talk me out of 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX TR

[lambbo]

Do you keep your bike outside?  I've had a few Compass Steilacoom and 
Barlow Pass blow out in the sidewalls all of a sudden (scary, in traffic 
each time), and my theory is it's sun exposure degrading the sidewall after 
a year or so outdoors in NY.   I recently replaced with Conti basketball 
tires, they are wonderful if not quite as supple, 42 w/ fenders on Cheviot 
(should be very similar to Sam). 

On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 7:54:23 PM UTC-4, Pancake wrote:
>
> My Compass Snoqualmie Pass tires are worn out according to Rene Herse - 
> the rear tire blew (it was setup tubeless), probably I was running a 
> pressure too high (at the tubeless max, 60 psi). Now that I’m looking to 
> replace them I was considering these wider 48mm Soma Fabrications Supple 
> Vitesse EX TR tires. Can anybody talk me out of these or into something 
> better? I’d like them to be tubeless compatible, but it’s not necessary. 
> Could go for anything between 40mm and whatever the limit for the Sam with 
> no fenders (apparently up to 45mm but some have fit up to 50mm depending on 
> the rim and brake setup). 
>
> My rims are Alex Adventurer II (slightly less wise than Cliffhangers, but 
> wider than Atlas rims). 
>
> Abe “what was the popping noise!” in Napa

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