[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[Jeffrey Arita]

Tom,

Your inquiry is timely.  I recently bought a BMC Monster Cross (frame and 
fork).  I was originally planning on installing a set of wheels (Velocity 
A23 rims) I already had to put on the new bike.  Wanting to go fairly 
wide-tires on the Monster Cross, I was limited in tire width on the A23's.  
I actually asked Velocity if their Quill rims really made that much 
difference (internal width wise).  They responded (naturally) that it does 
make a huge difference

Flash-foward to last night.  I finally finished both wheels and the Monster 
Cross is 95% ready to ride.  It has brand new Quill rims with re-purposed 
hubs (SON28, White Industries Daisy).  I was able to buy from WI a NDS 
spacer to convert it from 145mm to 130mm spacing.  Tires are Panaracer 
GravelKing slicks (700x38), tubeless.  The wheels came together really, 
really well.  My short jaunt last night was really good and once I have 
some mileage on them I can report back...

BTW: I finally purchased a wheel tension tool (Park Tool, TM-1).  I realize 
the tool is fairly decent and not the best out there BUT Park's "wheel 
tension app" makes this (to me) an almost indispensable tool.  One is able 
to *quantify *their work and to give a lot of *confidence *in their 
build(s).  I've been assembling wheels since 2016 without using a tool.  
Most (maybe all) rim manufacturers provide maximum tension figures.  With 
the tool I am now able to approach that figure.

I spent quite a bit of time checking all of my other wheel builds and found 
the typical neighboring and opposing spokes "not sharing the load."  A 
fairly well-balanced wheel can now be realized.  I cannot hear well 
anymore, so this tool now does for me what my hearing cannot!

Good luck!

Jeff  



On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 6:50:04 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> I now have a 62 MIT Atlantis frame.  I'm gonna order a new Rich-built 
> wheelset for it.  Velocity Quill?  Cliffhanger?  
>
> I'm leaning toward Quill because they fit a wider range of tires, esp. 
> narrower ones in case I want to go crazy and fender it.  Also, Quills are 
> lighter by a pound, seem to be strong enough (I'm not gonna tour with heavy 
> loads).  Jan's article, "Myth 18: Wide Tires Need Wide Rims 
> " 
> started me on this path.  A chart in that article says a 21mm inside width 
> (what the Quill has) should be able to handle a 64mm ((!) tire ... though 
> Velocity recommends up to 47...which seems very conservative to me.  I'm 
> running Dyads and 2.1 Nano's on my Toyo Atlantis...super combination.  
>
> I won't be putting a 64 tire on a Quill, but will think strongly about the 
> 55 Antelope Hills.  Also have some 29x2 G-One Speeds to consider.
>
> Anyone have any experience with Quills?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[tc]

Joey, thanks for your insight is on the Quill.  I haven’t built a wheelset  yet 
— but that’s on my list to learn and have fun with some day.   That’s a nice 
Ogrebrings back memories of mine, shod with Thunderburts; with a Jones bar 
it was quite a versatile bike. 

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[Nathan F]

I have a beautiful set of the polished quills on my Sam (mated to polished 
WI hubs)  and they have been just fine, which is a good thing. I think rims 
are one of those things you only really notice if they're bad. The Quills 
are packed with modern tech (wide tires and tubeless ready) and are fairly 
lightweight, which is why I recommend them to people.


On Friday, 3 January 2020 18:50:04 UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> I now have a 62 MIT Atlantis frame.  I'm gonna order a new Rich-built 
> wheelset for it.  Velocity Quill?  Cliffhanger?  
>
> I'm leaning toward Quill because they fit a wider range of tires, esp. 
> narrower ones in case I want to go crazy and fender it.  Also, Quills are 
> lighter by a pound, seem to be strong enough (I'm not gonna tour with heavy 
> loads).  Jan's article, "Myth 18: Wide Tires Need Wide Rims 
> " 
> started me on this path.  A chart in that article says a 21mm inside width 
> (what the Quill has) should be able to handle a 64mm ((!) tire ... though 
> Velocity recommends up to 47...which seems very conservative to me.  I'm 
> running Dyads and 2.1 Nano's on my Toyo Atlantis...super combination.  
>
> I won't be putting a 64 tire on a Quill, but will think strongly about the 
> 55 Antelope Hills.  Also have some 29x2 G-One Speeds to consider.
>
> Anyone have any experience with Quills?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[tc]

I'm no wheel builder, but it's interesting that VO recommended spoke 
tension for the Voyager of 110 kgf, and not to exceed 115.  I'm guessing 
there's no universal "never go below, or above" a certain tension, and that 
different rims will spec different tensions.  But does anyone 'in the know' 
(Peter?) have an opinion as to whether a rim that spec's 115kgf or lower is 
in any way lesser quality?

Probably much ado about nothing, but reading this sentence, "High quality 
wheels generally have drive side rear spoke tension anywhere from 130 kgf 
on up to 155 kgf." in this article 

 
made me wonder.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[Andrew Turner]

I haven't had experience with that specific VO rim but have used their rims
in the past. They're not light but they're definitely strong. Highly
recommend especially for the price.

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 8:43 AM tc  wrote:

> Anyone tried the relatively new $85 VO Voyager rim?  I'm not familiar with
> the quality of VO rims in general.  This rim hits the gap between Atlas and
> Cliffhanger.  Comes in 26", 650b, 700c, for 38mm to 2.4" (61mm) tire, 638g
> (700c) and 597g (650b), stainless eyelets, tubeless compatible, rim or disc
> brake.
>
> The Quill is much more expensive -- yet is 1/3 lb lighter (insignificantly
> so for me).
> The Atlas is very slightly more expense, but not tubeless compatible
> (insignificant for me, so far), and can't fit as wide a tire.
> The Cliffhanger gives up a little on the narrow tire size range, but can
> take a slightly wider tire, is insignificantly heavier, and very slightly
> more expensive.
>
> More info:
>
> VO:  https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim
>
> Bike Rumor:
> https://bikerumor.com/2019/06/25/velo-orange-voyager-builds-classic-bike-looks-on-wide-tubeless-gravel-trail-rims/
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[tc]

Anyone tried the relatively new $85 VO Voyager rim?  I'm not familiar with 
the quality of VO rims in general.  This rim hits the gap between Atlas and 
Cliffhanger.  Comes in 26", 650b, 700c, for 38mm to 2.4" (61mm) tire, 638g 
(700c) and 597g (650b), stainless eyelets, tubeless compatible, rim or disc 
brake.

The Quill is much more expensive -- yet is 1/3 lb lighter (insignificantly 
so for me).
The Atlas is very slightly more expense, but not tubeless compatible 
(insignificant for me, so far), and can't fit as wide a tire.
The Cliffhanger gives up a little on the narrow tire size range, but can 
take a slightly wider tire, is insignificantly heavier, and very slightly 
more expensive.

More info:

VO:  https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim

Bike Rumor:  
https://bikerumor.com/2019/06/25/velo-orange-voyager-builds-classic-bike-looks-on-wide-tubeless-gravel-trail-rims/

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[Adam Leibow]

I am using the quill rims on my 2018 canti sam. the rims are great looking 
and i dont worry about them ever. the wheelset rides wonderfully. would 
recommend but probably wouldnt exceed a 48mm tire on it. in my eyes this is 
a slightly beefed road rim.  

On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 6:50:04 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> I now have a 62 MIT Atlantis frame.  I'm gonna order a new Rich-built 
> wheelset for it.  Velocity Quill?  Cliffhanger?  
>
> I'm leaning toward Quill because they fit a wider range of tires, esp. 
> narrower ones in case I want to go crazy and fender it.  Also, Quills are 
> lighter by a pound, seem to be strong enough (I'm not gonna tour with heavy 
> loads).  Jan's article, "Myth 18: Wide Tires Need Wide Rims 
> " 
> started me on this path.  A chart in that article says a 21mm inside width 
> (what the Quill has) should be able to handle a 64mm ((!) tire ... though 
> Velocity recommends up to 47...which seems very conservative to me.  I'm 
> running Dyads and 2.1 Nano's on my Toyo Atlantis...super combination.  
>
> I won't be putting a 64 tire on a Quill, but will think strongly about the 
> 55 Antelope Hills.  Also have some 29x2 G-One Speeds to consider.
>
> Anyone have any experience with Quills?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have Velocity Quill on my Toyo Atlantis with 700x50 Soma Cazadero tires; 
the rims are awesome, but the tire/frame clearance it tight. I chose the 
Quill over the A23 because they were tubeless compatible and their wider 
inside width.  Our Salsa Powderkeg tandem has a Cliffhanger with dynamo on 
the front, and I will replace the Stan's rim on the back with a Cliffhanger 
as soon as I decide which hub I want to use. I'm leaning towards Hadley.

I'm not a weight weenie, but I can't imagine a better place to increase 
bicycle performance (besides the human motor) than wheels/tires.

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[Tim Bantham]

I love Velocity rims and own both models you mentioned. Weight was never a 
factor in my choice since all of my Rivs are already heavy. A few ounces 
won't make a difference for me. I have an Appaloosa that I use for extended 
tours and overnight camping trips, a Sam Hillborne that is my roadish bike 
and a Clem H that is yet to be built. I have Quills on the Sam and 
Cliffhangers for the Joe. Once the Clem is finished it will have 
Cliffhangers.  

I am a tubeless convert and find that both rims set up very well for 
tubeless. I also believe in going with the widest rim that makes sense. For 
the Joe my goal was to have sturdy rims that could withstand the additional 
weight that I intended to carry and the occasional off road use. I want to 
ride the widest tire I can on this bike and still fit fenders. For me this 
is a 48mm tire. The Cliffhangers are perfect for this bike.. 

The Quills are on the Sam. The widest tire I plan on using with this bike 
is a 38mm. Mine is the sidepull version of the Sam and I am running Paul 
Racers. I have tried as wide as 40mm but I find that a 38mm is what I 
prefer the most. The Quills are perfect for my Sam. They are still pretty 
wide and make for a very sturdy wheel that I am comfortable riding both on 
pavement and dirt. 

For my Clem I am building it up as a analog mountain bike. For this 
application, at least as far as I am concerned, the only choice is the 
Cliffhanger. I have a pair that I will build up over the next couple of 
weeks. When they are done I am going to run a 2.25 knobbie tread and want 
the wide rim to maximize the amount of tread that makes contact with the 
ground.  

FWIW I would recommend the Cliffhanger for your Atlantis. 
  

On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 9:50:04 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> I now have a 62 MIT Atlantis frame.  I'm gonna order a new Rich-built 
> wheelset for it.  Velocity Quill?  Cliffhanger?  
>
> I'm leaning toward Quill because they fit a wider range of tires, esp. 
> narrower ones in case I want to go crazy and fender it.  Also, Quills are 
> lighter by a pound, seem to be strong enough (I'm not gonna tour with heavy 
> loads).  Jan's article, "Myth 18: Wide Tires Need Wide Rims 
> " 
> started me on this path.  A chart in that article says a 21mm inside width 
> (what the Quill has) should be able to handle a 64mm ((!) tire ... though 
> Velocity recommends up to 47...which seems very conservative to me.  I'm 
> running Dyads and 2.1 Nano's on my Toyo Atlantis...super combination.  
>
> I won't be putting a 64 tire on a Quill, but will think strongly about the 
> 55 Antelope Hills.  Also have some 29x2 G-One Speeds to consider.
>
> Anyone have any experience with Quills?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[Andrew Turner]

I've got a 650b wheelset built by Analog that uses quill rims. They are 
fantastic rims and incredibly stiff. The first rims that I could actually 
feel a difference in especially when climbing out of the saddle. And you're 
right! They are very wide and can handle whatever your riv frame could fit. 
The only downside to them is the price. They're also wicked light so I 
wouldn't expect them to last as long as the other Velocity rims but that's 
performance for you. Just keep those pads clean. 

On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 8:50:04 PM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>
> I now have a 62 MIT Atlantis frame.  I'm gonna order a new Rich-built 
> wheelset for it.  Velocity Quill?  Cliffhanger?  
>
> I'm leaning toward Quill because they fit a wider range of tires, esp. 
> narrower ones in case I want to go crazy and fender it.  Also, Quills are 
> lighter by a pound, seem to be strong enough (I'm not gonna tour with heavy 
> loads).  Jan's article, "Myth 18: Wide Tires Need Wide Rims 
> " 
> started me on this path.  A chart in that article says a 21mm inside width 
> (what the Quill has) should be able to handle a 64mm ((!) tire ... though 
> Velocity recommends up to 47...which seems very conservative to me.  I'm 
> running Dyads and 2.1 Nano's on my Toyo Atlantis...super combination.  
>
> I won't be putting a 64 tire on a Quill, but will think strongly about the 
> 55 Antelope Hills.  Also have some 29x2 G-One Speeds to consider.
>
> Anyone have any experience with Quills?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>

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