[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Wow - I guess I am the only person who had these brakes and didn't care for them. I ordered my AHH built with the polished center mount version of the Racer and found them to be rather problematic. Neither the folks at Rivendell nor my LBS were able to help with the problems I was having: Problem number one: to remove the wheel, I had to really fight to get the straddle wire free. When the brakes were adjusted with the pads running close to the rim, I couldn't close them enough to get the straddle wire out easily - even after hitting the QR button on the brake levers. Problem number two: the brakes wouldn't center up consistently after braking. They would be fine 75% of the time, but every now and then (and at least once a ride) the front or rear would spring back unevenly, leaving one pad rubbing the rim. The folks at Rivendell weren't able to make this happen with a pair in their shop no matter how much they tried. I tried adjusting the spring tensions, and finally took it in to my LBS who adjusted the brakes, but I kept having the same problem. I am a pretty good mechanic and routinely build up and break down my own bikes - there aren't a lot of complicated things to adjust on a brake so this problem was really frustrating. It went on for months before I finally swapped them out for a pair of Silvers and sold them at a hefty loss. I want to close saying that I continue to be a fan of Paul Components, I am having a touring bike built and will use their cantis on that bike, I use their e-lever on two of my fixed gear bikes, and would love to own one of their road cranks some day. Roberto On May 17, 4:39 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On May 17, 4:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: It's only a cantilever post if it is actually, at this moment, supporting a cantilever brake arm. Otherwise it's only a potential cantilever post. Patrick if a tree falls in the forest, etc etc etc Moore Thank you, Patrick. I have a hard time with such questions. And, so it follows that since the racer mount is not supporting - indeed, it has not event the potential to support - a cantilever brake, we can not rightly refer to this mount as a cantilever post, lest we violate certain laws of truth and knowledge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Disclosure: Paul is a good friend of mine. Regarding the straddle wire, that sounds like a setup problem to me. I run Paul brakes on a few of my bikes, and that's not a problem with any of them. In fact, just squeezing the centerpulls by the pads should release the cable, or close to it. Without seeing your setup though, it's hard to say where the problem may have been. Regarding spring tension, did you try a set of replacement springs? I had an issue with a brake not centering, picked up a new spring, and it fixed the problem. -Gino in Chico, CA On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Blindrobert roberto.cipri...@gmail.com wrote: Wow - I guess I am the only person who had these brakes and didn't care for them. I ordered my AHH built with the polished center mount version of the Racer and found them to be rather problematic. Neither the folks at Rivendell nor my LBS were able to help with the problems I was having: Problem number one: to remove the wheel, I had to really fight to get the straddle wire free. When the brakes were adjusted with the pads running close to the rim, I couldn't close them enough to get the straddle wire out easily - even after hitting the QR button on the brake levers. Problem number two: the brakes wouldn't center up consistently after braking. They would be fine 75% of the time, but every now and then (and at least once a ride) the front or rear would spring back unevenly, leaving one pad rubbing the rim. The folks at Rivendell weren't able to make this happen with a pair in their shop no matter how much they tried. I tried adjusting the spring tensions, and finally took it in to my LBS who adjusted the brakes, but I kept having the same problem. I am a pretty good mechanic and routinely build up and break down my own bikes - there aren't a lot of complicated things to adjust on a brake so this problem was really frustrating. It went on for months before I finally swapped them out for a pair of Silvers and sold them at a hefty loss. I want to close saying that I continue to be a fan of Paul Components, I am having a touring bike built and will use their cantis on that bike, I use their e-lever on two of my fixed gear bikes, and would love to own one of their road cranks some day. Roberto On May 17, 4:39 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On May 17, 4:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: It's only a cantilever post if it is actually, at this moment, supporting a cantilever brake arm. Otherwise it's only a potential cantilever post. Patrick if a tree falls in the forest, etc etc etc Moore Thank you, Patrick. I have a hard time with such questions. And, so it follows that since the racer mount is not supporting - indeed, it has not event the potential to support - a cantilever brake, we can not rightly refer to this mount as a cantilever post, lest we violate certain laws of truth and knowledge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Speaking of Paul's centerpulls, my new-to-me Saluki has the polished versions. Haven't ridden it yet, still setting it up, but I noticed this morning the chrome on all of the brake pad fixing post nuts--the 5mm hex domed ones--is flaking off and rusting. Anyone know if those available in stainless, or as separate replacement parts? Rob in Seattle On May 19, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: Disclosure: Paul is a good friend of mine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Buy new brake pads, and you get new nuts. Those aren't a PAUL part, just part of the brake pad. http://www.koolstop.com/brakes/index.php On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of Paul's centerpulls, my new-to-me Saluki has the polished versions. Haven't ridden it yet, still setting it up, but I noticed this morning the chrome on all of the brake pad fixing post nuts--the 5mm hex domed ones--is flaking off and rusting. Anyone know if those available in stainless, or as separate replacement parts? Rob in Seattle On May 19, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: Disclosure: Paul is a good friend of mine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
I'll be darned. That's clever. I haven't owned a bike with centerpull brakes in the modern era. (Obviously.) Last centerpulls I had were Weinmanns, in 1977. :) Thanks Gino! Rob in Seattle On May 19, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Gino Zahnd wrote: Buy new brake pads, and you get new nuts. Those aren't a PAUL part, just part of the brake pad. http://www.koolstop.com/brakes/index.php -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On May 14, 1:21 am, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Comp are THE best brakes made in the world these days. -my next ride is going with Racer-canti, What is the Paul Racer-canti? I don't see it on the Paul website. the Bleriot is set for Racer- bolts, and Chloe's new LHT is going to get the Neo/Touring combo soon- What issues are there with the straight Neo setup? The Paul website says: -- Also, the arms stick out a lot! For smaller frames, bikes with bags, and people with HUGE feet there can be some interference problems -- http://www.paulcomp.com/neoretro.html So if you have panniers on the front, somehow the brakes will interfere with the panniers? Or is that just the rear brake? Same with big feet? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On May 13, 11:38 pm, Paul Price p...@paulcomp.com wrote: Hey- Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes. Hi Paul, Do you have any pictures on your website that compare 'silver anodized' to 'high polish'? Or, can you direct me to pictures of each type? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 20:07 -0700, happyriding wrote: On May 13, 11:38 pm, Paul Price p...@paulcomp.com wrote: Hey- Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes. Hi Paul, Do you have any pictures on your website that compare 'silver anodized' to 'high polish'? Or, can you direct me to pictures of each type? High polish looks like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/2668209327/sizes/o/in/set-72157606169015639/ Silver anodized looks like this: http://paulcomp.com/images/racermain.png -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 19:21 -0700, happyriding wrote: On May 14, 1:21 am, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Comp are THE best brakes made in the world these days. -my next ride is going with Racer-canti, What is the Paul Racer-canti? I don't see it on the Paul website. He must mean the brazed-on post model. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Yep, I do. As in, Cantilever Posts which are brazed-on. -Scott On May 17, 4:27 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 19:21 -0700, happyriding wrote: On May 14, 1:21 am, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Comp are THE best brakes made in the world these days. -my next ride is going with Racer-canti, What is the Paul Racer-canti? I don't see it on the Paul website. He must mean the brazed-on post model. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 12:21 -0700, Me wrote: Yep, I do. As in, Cantilever Posts which are brazed-on. Except that in this case, they're not for cantilever brakes, but rather for centerpulls. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not centerpulls]. ;-) -Scott On May 17, 12:26 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 12:21 -0700, Me wrote: Yep, I do. As in, Cantilever Posts which are brazed-on. Except that in this case, they're not for cantilever brakes, but rather for centerpulls. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not centerpulls]. hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever posts, it wouldn't work out so well. and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever posts. are there any epistemologists on this list? can a cantilever post *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: are there any epistemologists on this list? can a cantilever post *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it? It's only a cantilever post if it is actually, at this moment, supporting a cantilever brake arm. Otherwise it's only a potential cantilever post. Patrick if a tree falls in the forest, etc etc etc Moore -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On May 17, 4:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: It's only a cantilever post if it is actually, at this moment, supporting a cantilever brake arm. Otherwise it's only a potential cantilever post. Patrick if a tree falls in the forest, etc etc etc Moore Thank you, Patrick. I have a hard time with such questions. And, so it follows that since the racer mount is not supporting - indeed, it has not event the potential to support - a cantilever brake, we can not rightly refer to this mount as a cantilever post, lest we violate certain laws of truth and knowledge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
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Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
What where they called when they were sitting around the bike builder's shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry, too amusing not to ask. Horace. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not centerpulls]. hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever posts, it wouldn't work out so well. and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever posts. are there any epistemologists on this list? can a cantilever post *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 15:15 -0700, Horace wrote: What where they called when they were sitting around the bike builder's shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry, too amusing not to ask. According to the Paul web site, they are ...centerpull brake bosses. These are similar to cantilever bosses, but are in a different position. It is important to note that the Braze-On Racer does not mount to brake bosses in the standard cantilever position, nor will it fit on U-Brake bosses. Framebuilders should refer to the included instructions for mounting dimensions, or email i...@paulcomp.com for more information. -- http://paulcomp.com/racer.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
They were called cantilever bosses. (I think this thread is now officially not RBW in nature.) On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: What where they called when they were sitting around the bike builder's shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry, too amusing not to ask. Horace. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not centerpulls]. hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever posts, it wouldn't work out so well. and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever posts. are there any epistemologists on this list? can a cantilever post *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
When I apprenticed with a couple different framebuilders, they always called them 'Bosses' or 'Posts'... http://www.bikeparts.com/pimage/BPC311130.jpg I usually called them something far worse when 'cleaning up' filing the brazes to smooth. -Scott On May 17, 3:15 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: What where they called when they were sitting around the bike builder's shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry, too amusing not to ask. Horace. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not centerpulls]. hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever posts, it wouldn't work out so well. and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever posts. are there any epistemologists on this list? can a cantilever post *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
That is the correct, or one of the correct posts, or bosses. I interchange the terms but they both mean that thing. True, you won't be mounting cantilevers on them, but all our brakes use the same pivot setup that fits on those. There are several different styles, that one in the picture has a large offset, it's good for bikes with wide stays/blades. There are others with a much straighter path to the frame tube. Those are the ones to use, or your frame builder should use. Nova Cycle Supply has some pictures of them. Don't look to hard because before you know it you'll be shopping for a torchand lug sets and super light tubing..and an Anvil frame fixture. I'm suffering that problem as I write this. http://www.cycle-frames.com/bicycle-frame-tubing/CANTI-AND-U-BRAKE- BOSSES/ In either case it is important to build a simple fixture to keep the distance between the posts correct and keep them parallel to one another. Then mount them in the fixture and miter them to fit the tubes on the frame. This part is important as the side to side distance is critical, and the miters must match, pretty well, the the tubes they are to be brazed to. You can also cut a lot off the end to be brazed to the frame tubes to get the brake arms in closer to the frame for a stiffer setup. Paul www.paulcomp.com On May 17, 2010, at 6:08 PM, S.Cutshall wrote: When I apprenticed with a couple different framebuilders, they always called them 'Bosses' or 'Posts'... http://www.bikeparts.com/pimage/BPC311130.jpg I usually called them something far worse when 'cleaning up' filing the brazes to smooth. -Scott On May 17, 3:15 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: What where they called when they were sitting around the bike builder's shop? What was the label on the box that they came in Sorry, too amusing not to ask. Horace. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On May 17, 3:35 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: True, dat... but they attach via cantilever posts [which were originally conceived for attaching cantilever brakes and not centerpulls]. hmm, but if you tried to run cantilever brakes on these cantilever posts, it wouldn't work out so well. and in that sense, it is perhaps a misnomer to call them cantilever posts. are there any epistemologists on this list? can a cantilever post *be* a cantilever post if a cantilever brake can't be used on it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch% 2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/ group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Paul Comp are THE best brakes made in the world these days. -my next ride is going with Racer-canti, the Bleriot is set for Racer- bolts, and Chloe's new LHT is going to get the Neo/Touring combo soon- Every good bike in the world should be stopping with Paul Comp brakes. -Scott On May 13, 10:38 pm, Paul Price p...@paulcomp.com wrote: Hey- Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes. If you ever get a chance the braze-on version is really nice. It adds a level of stiffness and aesthetics. The Racer M(edium) is poised to kick butt on anything out there. It just adds power the stronger you squeeze it, and looks cool too. I have a Salsa Cassaroll with them and 45mm fenders and 32mm tires with absolutely no clearance issues and no fender squeezing either. Paul On May 13, 2010, at 10:16 PM, cyclotourist wrote: I have Neos on a 700c and Racers on a 650b. LOVE both of them. Just as strong, no brake squeal at all with either. Just perfect brakes. They are both able to adjust each side as needed, although I've never touched the Racers. Racers would win in a shoot out for best brake due to that. Mine are the kind that have the adapter mount, not brazed on posts. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:41 AM, J C chive...@gmail.com wrote: Hello hip listers, Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would you compare them to the neo retros? Do you know if the racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides? They look like it in the photos. Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers? Have you seen any chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes? Would you buy them again? Are you using them on 700c wheels? Thanks for the help Studies show that fish live longer when you don't eat them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/ group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/ group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
I have brazed-on Paul Racers on my Velo Orange Randonneur. Best brakes I've ever used, bar none. I am lucky enough to have a set of NOS Raids. Otherwise I would have gone with original Paul Racers on my upcoming Rando. The new Paul Racer Ms look so nice I am trying to figure out what sort of frame I should have built around them On May 14, 6:23 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 12:41 -0600, J C wrote: Hello hip listers, Do any of you use the Paul's racer I have brazed-on Paul Racers on my Velo Orange Randonneur. Best brakes I've ever used, bar none. or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would you compare them to the neo retros? I've never used the Neo Retro so I can't compare. However, unless you're thinking about a custom, your frame will dictate. As long as you have canti posts mounted on the frame in the correct position for cantilever brakes, the Racers are ruled out. Do you know if the racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides? They look like it in the photos. Yes, independently adjusted on each side. Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers? My front brake squeals a bit, back not at all. Have you seen any chain stay mounted versions no - are they just glorified u brakes? Would you buy them again? absolutely Are you using them on 700c wheels? yes Here's the bike in question:http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157606169015639/show/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes. If you ever get a chance the braze-on version is really nice. It adds a level of stiffness and aesthetics. Paul: Big fan of your product and your company's way of doing business. Thanks for posting here. Now that Riv is making the Hilsen in Wateford, I have been hoping Grant and crew will find a way to have a Paul spec braze on option. Racer Ms are a perfect match for the Hilsen. On May 14, 12:38 am, Paul Price p...@paulcomp.com wrote: Hey- Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes. If you ever get a chance the braze-on version is really nice. It adds a level of stiffness and aesthetics. The Racer M(edium) is poised to kick butt on anything out there. It just adds power the stronger you squeeze it, and looks cool too. I have a Salsa Cassaroll with them and 45mm fenders and 32mm tires with absolutely no clearance issues and no fender squeezing either. Paul On May 13, 2010, at 10:16 PM, cyclotourist wrote: I have Neos on a 700c and Racers on a 650b. LOVE both of them. Just as strong, no brake squeal at all with either. Just perfect brakes. They are both able to adjust each side as needed, although I've never touched the Racers. Racers would win in a shoot out for best brake due to that. Mine are the kind that have the adapter mount, not brazed on posts. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:41 AM, J C chive...@gmail.com wrote: Hello hip listers, Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would you compare them to the neo retros? Do you know if the racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides? They look like it in the photos. Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers? Have you seen any chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes? Would you buy them again? Are you using them on 700c wheels? Thanks for the help Studies show that fish live longer when you don't eat them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/ group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/ group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
On May 13, 2:41 pm, J C chive...@gmail.com wrote: I use the neo-retro (front)/touring (rear) brake set-up on my cx bike. great brakes - you can dial these in to suit your needs and riding style, which is really nice. they can be super-grabby, or you can set 'em up just to scrub some speed. awesome. I also use the racer (braze-on version) on another bike. and I'll second what Steve said - best brakes I've ever used. squeeze a little, stop a little. squeeze a little more, stop a little more. there's just an incredible amount of modulation, and they give a feeling of control like i've never had with any other brake. I'd buy any of paul's brakes again - i might go for the moto-lite on my mtb! my preference so far, though, is definitely the racer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
I have Paul Touring Cantis on my Atlantis. They replaced some Avid V- brakes. I l-o-v-e the Cantis. I really do. But... I honestly can't say that they stop me any faster than the way-cheaper Avids or feel $150 better. Maybe it depends on the kind of riding you do. For me, to a large extent, (good) brakes is brakes. And you can get good brakes for $50. The Cantis are definitely terrific and trouble-free. Very adjustable (though mine still squeal a little and might need a tweak). For me, the best part is that I have complete confidence in them and they just look so col. That's important to me on this bike. Other bikes I've had it didn't matter. Here's my two cents. If everything else on your bike is the way you want it and you have the $$ $ burning a hole in your pocket (I did), no better way to spend it than on Pauls. But I'd put several things on my gotta-have list before $200 brakes: A Brooks seat (or equivalent) The perfect bag (I have an Acorn handlebar bag) Put the $200 towards great wheels Honjos plus maybe some tires New derailers/shifters But that's just me. On May 13, 2:41 pm, J C chive...@gmail.com wrote: Hello hip listers, Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would you compare them to the neo retros? Do you know if the racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides? They look like it in the photos. Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers? Have you seen any chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes? Would you buy them again? Are you using them on 700c wheels? Thanks for the help Studies show that fish live longer when you don't eat them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
That is a sweet bike Steve. Thanks for the update on the brakes. Thanks to the rest of you who replied too, jc On May 14, 5:23 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 12:41 -0600, J C wrote: Hello hip listers, Do any of you use the Paul's racer I have brazed-on Paul Racers on my Velo Orange Randonneur. Best brakes I've ever used, bar none. or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would you compare them to the neo retros? I've never used the Neo Retro so I can't compare. However, unless you're thinking about a custom, your frame will dictate. As long as you have canti posts mounted on the frame in the correct position for cantilever brakes, the Racers are ruled out. Do you know if the racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides? They look like it in the photos. Yes, independently adjusted on each side. Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers? My front brake squeals a bit, back not at all. Have you seen any chain stay mounted versions no - are they just glorified u brakes? Would you buy them again? absolutely Are you using them on 700c wheels? yes Here's the bike in question:http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157606169015639/show/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
I have the same set up on my Atlantis. Last year the front squealed, this year its the back. I tilt the pad out, I tilt them in, and still they squeal. Maybe Paul's still listening? On May 14, 8:45 am, Buck ahurv...@gmail.com wrote: I have Paul Touring Cantis on my Atlantis. They replaced some Avid V- brakes. I l-o-v-e the Cantis. I really do. But... I honestly can't say that they stop me any faster than the way-cheaper Avids or feel $150 better. Maybe it depends on the kind of riding you do. For me, to a large extent, (good) brakes is brakes. And you can get good brakes for $50. The Cantis are definitely terrific and trouble-free. Very adjustable (though mine still squeal a little and might need a tweak). For me, the best part is that I have complete confidence in them and they just look so col. That's important to me on this bike. Other bikes I've had it didn't matter. Here's my two cents. If everything else on your bike is the way you want it and you have the $$ $ burning a hole in your pocket (I did), no better way to spend it than on Pauls. But I'd put several things on my gotta-have list before $200 brakes: A Brooks seat (or equivalent) The perfect bag (I have an Acorn handlebar bag) Put the $200 towards great wheels Honjos plus maybe some tires New derailers/shifters But that's just me. On May 13, 2:41 pm, J C chive...@gmail.com wrote: Hello hip listers, Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would you compare them to the neo retros? Do you know if the racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides? They look like it in the photos. Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers? Have you seen any chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes? Would you buy them again? Are you using them on 700c wheels? Thanks for the help Studies show that fish live longer when you don't eat them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Ken - Toe yer brake pads properly, and make sure they're aligned on the rim properly. That should kill the squeal. See also: http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=19 Cheers, Gino On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Ken ken.ha...@stribmail.com wrote: I have the same set up on my Atlantis. Last year the front squealed, this year its the back. I tilt the pad out, I tilt them in, and still they squeal. Maybe Paul's still listening? On May 14, 8:45 am, Buck ahurv...@gmail.com wrote: I have Paul Touring Cantis on my Atlantis. They replaced some Avid V- brakes. I l-o-v-e the Cantis. I really do. But... I honestly can't say that they stop me any faster than the way-cheaper Avids or feel $150 better. Maybe it depends on the kind of riding you do. For me, to a large extent, (good) brakes is brakes. And you can get good brakes for $50. The Cantis are definitely terrific and trouble-free. Very adjustable (though mine still squeal a little and might need a tweak). For me, the best part is that I have complete confidence in them and they just look so col. That's important to me on this bike. Other bikes I've had it didn't matter. Here's my two cents. If everything else on your bike is the way you want it and you have the $$ $ burning a hole in your pocket (I did), no better way to spend it than on Pauls. But I'd put several things on my gotta-have list before $200 brakes: A Brooks seat (or equivalent) The perfect bag (I have an Acorn handlebar bag) Put the $200 towards great wheels Honjos plus maybe some tires New derailers/shifters But that's just me. On May 13, 2:41 pm, J C chive...@gmail.com wrote: Hello hip listers, Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would you compare them to the neo retros? Do you know if the racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides? They look like it in the photos. Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers? Have you seen any chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes? Would you buy them again? Are you using them on 700c wheels? Thanks for the help Studies show that fish live longer when you don't eat them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions
Thanks for the link. The bad alignment example looks very familiar. I was focused on Toe in and not making sure the pad was lined up properly. Hopefully that does it. On May 14, 3:30 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: Ken - Toe yer brake pads properly, and make sure they're aligned on the rim properly. That should kill the squeal. See also:http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=19 Cheers, Gino On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Ken ken.ha...@stribmail.com wrote: I have the same set up on my Atlantis. Last year the front squealed, this year its the back. I tilt the pad out, I tilt them in, and still they squeal. Maybe Paul's still listening? On May 14, 8:45 am, Buck ahurv...@gmail.com wrote: I have Paul Touring Cantis on my Atlantis. They replaced some Avid V- brakes. I l-o-v-e the Cantis. I really do. But... I honestly can't say that they stop me any faster than the way-cheaper Avids or feel $150 better. Maybe it depends on the kind of riding you do. For me, to a large extent, (good) brakes is brakes. And you can get good brakes for $50. The Cantis are definitely terrific and trouble-free. Very adjustable (though mine still squeal a little and might need a tweak). For me, the best part is that I have complete confidence in them and they just look so col. That's important to me on this bike. Other bikes I've had it didn't matter. Here's my two cents. If everything else on your bike is the way you want it and you have the $$ $ burning a hole in your pocket (I did), no better way to spend it than on Pauls. But I'd put several things on my gotta-have list before $200 brakes: A Brooks seat (or equivalent) The perfect bag (I have an Acorn handlebar bag) Put the $200 towards great wheels Honjos plus maybe some tires New derailers/shifters But that's just me. On May 13, 2:41 pm, J C chive...@gmail.com wrote: Hello hip listers, Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would you compare them to the neo retros? Do you know if the racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides? They look like it in the photos. Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers? Have you seen any chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes? Would you buy them again? Are you using them on 700c wheels? Thanks for the help Studies show that fish live longer when you don't eat them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
