Re: [RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace vrs Suntour

2010-04-26 Thread PATRICK MOORE
"and how does everyone feel the Suntour bar ends are compared to the others?" Do you mean the old power ratchets? I've not used the Dura Aces (or, at least, I've only used the circa 1976 Dura Aces, but not the more recent ones -- that's both true and a joke, folks, and you can apply for an explana

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace vrs Suntour

2010-04-26 Thread Michael_S
and how does everyone feel the Suntour bar ends are compared to the others? The blunt ends seem safer to me... for just that one time I don't pay attention. I've bee using Silvers and they seem ok .. I do get distracted more when I'm friction shifting wheras the indexed stuff is "clunk" and it's

Re: [RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Practice helps. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: > In my curved-bar days, I preferred both. Silver friction front, DA > index rear. I tried Silver friction on the rear for a while. > Definitely smooth and silent, but I was never able to warm up to > friction on the rear, espec

Re: [RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread PATRICK MOORE
The shifter knocks the pump off the frame. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:24 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > And why is that bad? > > Dings, dents, scratches. > > On Apr 26, 6:10 am, happyriding wrote: > > On Apr 25, 8:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > The Silvers shift better than any friction shi

Re: [RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread carnerdavid
You are in good company. Sheldon Brown said more than once that he preferred indexed shifting for the rear derailer. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone -Original Message- From: Joe Bernard Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:35:04 To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace In

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread Joe Bernard
In my curved-bar days, I preferred both. Silver friction front, DA index rear. I tried Silver friction on the rear for a while. Definitely smooth and silent, but I was never able to warm up to friction on the rear, especially when shifting over two or three cogs at a time. I hate missed shifts, and

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread Scott G.
SunTour bar-cons still appear on E-bay, look for the "Schwinn Approved" models for extra style points. Blunt for knee safe operation. When I rode Shimano bar-cons I practiced shifting with my knees, good party trick. Shimano friction is no where near a nice as power ratchet, too stiff. http://ww

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread JoelMatthews
> And why is that bad? Dings, dents, scratches. On Apr 26, 6:10 am, happyriding wrote: > On Apr 25, 8:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > The Silvers shift better than any friction shifter, bar end, trigger or down > > tube, that I have ever used, including Retrofriction downtubers. My only > > c

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread happyriding
On Apr 25, 8:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > The Silvers shift better than any friction shifter, bar end, trigger or down > tube, that I have ever used, including Retrofriction downtubers. My only > complaint with the long levers is that they end up exactly at the level of > my top-tube-mounted pump

Re: [RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-25 Thread PATRICK MOORE
The Silvers shift better than any friction shifter, bar end, trigger or down tube, that I have ever used, including Retrofriction downtubers. My only complaint with the long levers is that they end up exactly at the level of my top-tube-mounted pump, but that's not their fault. -- You received th

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-25 Thread Ablejack
don't tell Grant, but I like downtubes better (with indexed rear). Bar end shifters always seem to get knocked "out of gear" when not riding. I find bar ends ugly too. meh. whatev. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-25 Thread Michael_S
The only time I am careful and pay attention to the location for the "silver barends" is when I'm climbing out of the saddle. It seem like I have to keep my knees inward to keep from hitting them. I bump them occasionally and th worst of it is having to re-trim the dérailleur position. ~Mike~ On

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-25 Thread EricP
I used to poke myself in the knee frequently on the Atlantis with Albatross bars. Mainly in slow speed turning. Right now, have one bike set up with Shimano bar ends, one with Silver. While I like the Silver, my actual preference is for the Shimano shifters. Both are friction mode. Am just fi

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-25 Thread MichaelH
I keep hearing about this slamming knee into BE shifters, but it has never happened to me. I once skidded into the back end of a pickup, which made a totally unnecessary panic stop on a bridge, and I slammed my knee into the bar. I only have about 10,000 miles of experience with them,(mostly com

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-25 Thread Jay LePree
Hi Happyriding: For friction shifting, the Silvers as bar end shifters are much smoother and lighter than the DA shifters in friction mode. One while starting off from a stop, I had a knee hit the bar-end shifter, but that was my carelessness while starting off from a stop at the end of a long ri

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-25 Thread Garth
I've used them both, and the Silver shifter are by far easier to use than Shimano. Silver shifters action is smooth and light, the DA is stiff and heavy. if feels very un-natural. That said, the Silver shifter were never intended to be used as bar end shifters, so yes, they are potentially ha

[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-25 Thread Mike
The action on the Silvers is way smoother. I think the DA's mount better on Paul's Thumbies but that's the only advantage I see with them. The only time I ever "speared" my leg with a BE shifter was on a super steep off-road climb. It was no big deal, just caused the bike to make an unfortunate shi