[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[tc]

The Jones Loop is a fantastic bar. I put one on a Clem H using a 4-bolt Nitto 
UI-12 stem since I wanted a more solid clamp for gravel and single track. I 
have since sold it (not because of the Jones bar ... perfect for it). 

See this thread, with link to pics on the last post. 

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Jones$20bar/rbw-owners-bunch/jm-Ea-zFKiA

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Philip Kim]

If anyone is looking, I have a 610mm MAP bars in silver. They were a bit 
too wide for my build. Can trade for a used 570mm in silver, or can sell 
for $27 plus shipping from 22204

picture 1 

picture 2 

picture 3 


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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[iamkeith]

Damn, that's a nice looking bike!  Looks like it fits well, too.  I don't 
usually like black components. But that is a tasteful combination.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jeremy Till]

Sounds like I'm a little late to the party here but I recently installed my 
Jones Loop 710's on my Clem using one of the aforementioned VO 31.8 quill 
stems with removable faceplate:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BY8gwuBFwSv/

So far, I'm really enjoying this setup.  Like you, I've done a lot of 
riding with the traditional Rivendell upright bars (Albatross and Bosco), 
and the Jones, while looking completely different, feels like the natural 
evolution of those setups.  I was always looking for more width, and the 
Jones has that in spades.  My hands also seem to prefer the more flared out 
(rather than straight back) angle to the grips. In between Boscos and 
Jones, I had been riding some cheapo upright bars that were similar to 
Albatrosses but with a more flared grip area (see 
http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/08/requiem-for-handlebar-avenir-circa-bar.html).
  
The 45 degree grip area on the Jones feels just right, so good that I 
rarely feel the need to switch up my hand position, but when I do, grabbing 
right in front of the cross piece feels so good.  I've done some 
flattish/windy road and gravel rides with the Jones and they definitely 
feel like an upright bar you could ride for a long, long time.  

Oh, and they're killer on singletrack, especially tight switchbacks, but 
that's pretty common knowledge already.  

Let us know how you like the Ospreys!  I was eyeing those recently for a 
different bike.  

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 5:50:45 PM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> I opted for the Soma Osprey bars, even though I wished they were a little 
> prettier. They feel fantastic based on my initial impression. Thanks for 
> all the feedback folks! 
>
> Here's a picture of them on today: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BasMTijBzs6/?taken-by=hunqaloosa
>
> Cheers, 
> Tim 
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

Joe, it seems to me that when I followed the standard instructions, my 
experience was much like yours. Then I wanted to take them off, which I 
managed by opening a gap between the grip and bar with an 18" zip tie and 
squirting in some soap and water, then working the grip. It took a while. I 
used the soap and water again to reinstall them. There can be some play 
until the soap evaporates, but it was much easier. I'm a chronic tinkerer, 
but the Jones grips make me think very carefully about what I want before 
making the commitment of installation.

Jay



On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:51:27 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Holy crap, Jay, I hope I like the Chunky silicone grips 'cause I'm NEVER 
> sliding those suckers on again! I'm used to my trusty bolt-on Ergons and 
> haven't wrestled with slide-on grips in years. "Pour alcohol on bar and in 
> grips and slide on in one motion." HA. More like slide on in 500 itty-bitty 
> motions while slowly collapsing to the floor. Hey Jeff Jones, make some 
> long bolt-on grips, man!

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

I opted for the Soma Osprey bars, even though I wished they were a little 
prettier. They feel fantastic based on my initial impression. Thanks for 
all the feedback folks! 

Here's a picture of them on today: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BasMTijBzs6/?taken-by=hunqaloosa

Cheers, 
Tim 

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Joe Bernard]

Oof, Grab-Ons. My hands hurt just from *looking* at that picture. 

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Bill Lindsay]

The pro way to install grips is with compressed air.  Your basic $50 
compressor comes with a narrow blower nozzle. With that inside the grip you 
pull the trigger of your compressor nozzle and the grip slides on literally 
on a cushion of air. Before I could afford the $40 to buy a small 
compressor, I'd always go back to my old bike shop to blow grips on. 
Tubeless setup is also far more likely to work if you have a compressor 
with that blower nozzle. 

The worst, impossible to install 'grips' back in the day were Grab-Ons:



Those things were impossible.  


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:51:27 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Holy crap, Jay, I hope I like the Chunky silicone grips 'cause I'm NEVER 
> sliding those suckers on again! I'm used to my trusty bolt-on Ergons and 
> haven't wrestled with slide-on grips in years. "Pour alcohol on bar and in 
> grips and slide on in one motion." HA. More like slide on in 500 itty-bitty 
> motions while slowly collapsing to the floor. Hey Jeff Jones, make some 
> long bolt-on grips, man!

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Joe Bernard]

Holy crap, Jay, I hope I like the Chunky silicone grips 'cause I'm NEVER 
sliding those suckers on again! I'm used to my trusty bolt-on Ergons and 
haven't wrestled with slide-on grips in years. "Pour alcohol on bar and in 
grips and slide on in one motion." HA. More like slide on in 500 itty-bitty 
motions while slowly collapsing to the floor. Hey Jeff Jones, make some long 
bolt-on grips, man!

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[M G]

An endorsement for the Sycip single barno rise, very wide, shallow 
sweep back, made by nitto (and i like their wonder bar also).   Ron


On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 10:51:34 AM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> I second the Soma Osprey bar.   Comes in 25.4 clamp, silver, 710mm wide, 
> 40 degree sweep( Jones bars are 45 degree sweep).   The Soma Osprey is a 
> really great feeling bar!! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Oct 22, 2017, at 5:26 AM, Jay Connolly  > wrote: 
> > 
> > I love the Jones and have the 710 Loop on my Joe. When the announced the 
> Jones Loop 2.5, I ordered one immediately and will probably use it on my 
> Beargrease this winter. I have a 64 Clem L on order and will be using a 
> Soma Osprey on that bike. The Osprey is very close to the Jones, without 
> the loop feature. On anything that will be used for long distances, I 
> really like the loop because it gives a couple of extra hand positions. 
> > 
> > Jay 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Irving]

There are alternatives to the F5 Titan Stem in the 31.8mm quill variety in 
the form of Velo Orange 
 and 
the Nitto UI-12 
. Benefits 
include removeable faceplates.

I've been considering Jonesifying my Hunqapillar for awhile but this thread 
may have pushed me over the top!

On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 4:12:23 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> Thanks Jay! Glad to hear the bolts of the F5 Titan stem held up to rough 
> use. I too am contemplating a Jones bar, and that was the only thing 
> holding me back.
>
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 3:51:39 AM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>>
>> Benz, the Joe has been that way for a couple of months. I used a drop bar 
>> for a while but have enjoyed the bike much more with the Jones. I use the 
>> bike as a hauler at our cottage. Lots of bad pavement on narrow roads, with 
>> bail-out roadside trails for when the traffic is heavy, so the bike takes 
>> lots of knocks. It also has me yanking and pushing on the bars when I 
>> stand, and I’m a super-duper Clyde. I had the same initial reaction as you 
>> to the two-bolt system but have had no issues. I bought the Joe to be my 
>> touring bike, but life got in the way of a planned tour last summer. Will 
>> definitely tour with the Jones bar. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 10:13:33 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
>> wrote: 
>> > Hi Jay, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you had that setup 
>> and what kind of riding do you do? I'm asking as I bought that 31.8mm clamp 
>> quill stem, but realized thereafter that they use two M4 bolts to clamp the 
>> handlebar. That's a bit tiny compared to the normal Nitto stuff. Do you 
>> find that sturdy enough (i.e., slip-free)? 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Thanks Jay! Glad to hear the bolts of the F5 Titan stem held up to rough 
use. I too am contemplating a Jones bar, and that was the only thing 
holding me back.


On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 3:51:39 AM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> Benz, the Joe has been that way for a couple of months. I used a drop bar 
> for a while but have enjoyed the bike much more with the Jones. I use the 
> bike as a hauler at our cottage. Lots of bad pavement on narrow roads, with 
> bail-out roadside trails for when the traffic is heavy, so the bike takes 
> lots of knocks. It also has me yanking and pushing on the bars when I 
> stand, and I’m a super-duper Clyde. I had the same initial reaction as you 
> to the two-bolt system but have had no issues. I bought the Joe to be my 
> touring bike, but life got in the way of a planned tour last summer. Will 
> definitely tour with the Jones bar. 
>
> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 10:13:33 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote: 
> > Hi Jay, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you had that setup 
> and what kind of riding do you do? I'm asking as I bought that 31.8mm clamp 
> quill stem, but realized thereafter that they use two M4 bolts to clamp the 
> handlebar. That's a bit tiny compared to the normal Nitto stuff. Do you 
> find that sturdy enough (i.e., slip-free)? 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

Love the pedals. There’s a thread about them somewhere here. I bought them 
because I have size 14 feet and suffer from hotfoot when I use flat pedals. 
They ARE spendy, the moreso in Canadian dollars. I have several bikes but only 
one set of those pedals. Really, they are aimed (in my world) at touring.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Brencho]

jay, how do you like those pedals? i've been very curious about them, but 
they'd be a pricey experiment unless they do returns. 

also this is a timely thread, i just talked to mike recently about the 
osprey and i'm pretty sold on them. just haven't gotten around to the swap 
yet. 


On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 1:50:11 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
>
> Here you go . . .
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Brencho]

jay, how do you like those pedals? i've been very curious about them, but 
they'd be a pricey experiment unless they do returns. 

also this is a timely thread, i just talked to mike recently about the 
osprey and i'm pretty sold on them. just haven't gotten around to the swap 
yet. 


On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 1:50:11 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
>
> 
> Here you go . . .
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 9:21:19 AM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
> wrote:
>>
>> The Soma Osprey does seem to fit the bill. I'm not sure how I missed that 
>> one when I was researching bars.
>>
>> Jay:Thanks for the feedback. Do you have pictures of your Joe with the 
>> Jones?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

Benz, the Joe has been that way for a couple of months. I used a drop bar for a 
while but have enjoyed the bike much more with the Jones. I use the bike as a 
hauler at our cottage. Lots of bad pavement on narrow roads, with bail-out 
roadside trails for when the traffic is heavy, so the bike takes lots of 
knocks. It also has me yanking and pushing on the bars when I stand, and I’m a 
super-duper Clyde. I had the same initial reaction as you to the two-bolt 
system but have had no issues. I bought the Joe to be my touring bike, but life 
got in the way of a planned tour last summer. Will definitely tour with the 
Jones bar. 

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 10:13:33 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
> Hi Jay, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you had that setup and 
> what kind of riding do you do? I'm asking as I bought that 31.8mm clamp quill 
> stem, but realized thereafter that they use two M4 bolts to clamp the 
> handlebar. That's a bit tiny compared to the normal Nitto stuff. Do you find 
> that sturdy enough (i.e., slip-free)?

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Hi Jay, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you had that setup and what 
kind of riding do you do? I'm asking as I bought that 31.8mm clamp quill stem, 
but realized thereafter that they use two M4 bolts to clamp the handlebar. 
That's a bit tiny compared to the normal Nitto stuff. Do you find that sturdy 
enough (i.e., slip-free)?

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Kainalu V.]

That's just about perfect. 
-Kai
BK NY 

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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Justin, Oakland]

I use the wider ones on my trail bike (Rigid Salsa El mar) and they are 
perfecto. I ride the wide (but not jones wide) MAP bars on my Saluki and they 
are nearly perfecto. Great complimentary combo and they look A++ with that 
quill 31.8 Stem Jay!

-J

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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, 660 is plenty for my little arms, with the ideal grip position (after one 
ride anyway) being slightly inboard of the ends. The sweepback seems perfect; 
I've never gone my first 10 miles on a new shape without *some* wrist or palm 
pain. I was shocked.  

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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Philip Kim]

I love the loop bars. 660 was plenty wide for me, especially if you plan on 
doing any city riding

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Jay your bike looks really nice. I have the Jones loop on my Jones bike. I’ll 
have to consider it on my Joe as I do like the bar very much

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

Yes. They're the Chucky, not the extra chunky. I have the EC on my Jones 
and like them more. When I ordered the new bar, I also ordered two sets of 
the new grips they're selling--one set of the softer ones (clear) and a set 
of the firmer model (black). Both are 34mm, I believe, which makes them the 
equivalent of the extra chunky. One set will go on the Ospry bar when the 
Clem L shows up.

Jay


On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 1:55:12 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey Jay, those are the silicone grips, right? How do you like them?

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Jay, those are the silicone grips, right? How do you like them?

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

Here you go . . .




On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 9:21:19 AM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> The Soma Osprey does seem to fit the bill. I'm not sure how I missed that 
> one when I was researching bars.
>
> Jay:Thanks for the feedback. Do you have pictures of your Joe with the 
> Jones?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

The Soma Osprey does seem to fit the bill. I'm not sure how I missed that one 
when I was researching bars.

Jay:Thanks for the feedback. Do you have pictures of your Joe with the Jones?

Cheers,
Tim

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Mike Williams]

I second the Soma Osprey bar.   Comes in 25.4 clamp, silver, 710mm wide, 40 
degree sweep( Jones bars are 45 degree sweep).   The Soma Osprey is a really 
great feeling bar!!

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 5:26 AM, Jay Connolly  wrote:
> 
> I love the Jones and have the 710 Loop on my Joe. When the announced the 
> Jones Loop 2.5, I ordered one immediately and will probably use it on my 
> Beargrease this winter. I have a 64 Clem L on order and will be using a Soma 
> Osprey on that bike. The Osprey is very close to the Jones, without the loop 
> feature. On anything that will be used for long distances, I really like the 
> loop because it gives a couple of extra hand positions.
> 
> Jay
> 
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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

I love the Jones and have the 710 Loop on my Joe. When the announced the Jones 
Loop 2.5, I ordered one immediately and will probably use it on my Beargrease 
this winter. I have a 64 Clem L on order and will be using a Soma Osprey on 
that bike. The Osprey is very close to the Jones, without the loop feature. On 
anything that will be used for long distances, I really like the loop because 
it gives a couple of extra hand positions.

Jay
 

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[iamkeith]

Second eric's suggestion of the surly open bar.  It's kind of awkward looking 
too, but a really nice  width and shape in use. At least it's  25.4, and you 
could always wrap it in bar tape.

SOMA has a new bar called the Osprey, that is available in 25.4 and silver 
finish, albeit the cheap "shot peened" type.  It is very similar to a jones bar 
(or a wider mary).  I could take a picture of the two side by side if 
interested.  (I stupidly bought a 31.8 version, and am searching for a place to 
use it)

For many years, i was adamant about having different bars on all my bikes for 
variety's sake (per sheldon's advice), and to help justify what would otherwise 
be redundancy.

Once i got used to the jones bar though (on my jones frame), i found that 
nothing else "measured up" and  all felt awkward, so i simply wouldnt ride 
those bikes.  So I'm slowly ending up with multiples of the forementioned bars. 
 I do struggle with the clunky look of 31.8 bars on otherwise graceful rivs, 
but Im going to get a 2.5 loop like Joe's for my snow bike that has a too-low 
front end.

Keep in mind that not all bikes or riding types are suitable for these bars.  
They work best with semi-upright but still-aggressive or mountain bike type 
positions.

On a related note, after trying them on at least a half-dozen other bikes, i 
DID finally just find a place to successfully use albatross bars:  my old, 
NORBA (Grant) era MB-1.  Because those bikes were essentially road bikes, they 
work well with narrow handlebars.  Trick was getting the height correct to put 
just the right amount of forward lean and weight on them, to steady the twitchy 
steering.

Otherwise, as ive agreed many times, a (much) wider albatross would be the 
perfect bar on almost everything else.  Beautiful AND usable.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Eric Daume]

Hey Tim,

I love the looks of Albas, but I find them much too narrow.

The Loop is a great bar. I thought that same about the appearance at first,
but it grew on me.

Also check out the Surly Open Bar. It's swept back like the Albatross bar,
but much wider at 666mm.

If you like the MAP Ahearne bend, it looks pretty close to the On One
Mary/Soma Clarence, except those bars are also wider at around 645mm.

It's funny, I have a Mary bar that I like quite a bit. I originally used it
for mountain biking, but now it feels too narrow for that, and about the
right width for a city bike. My expectations for bars are getting wider
along with my tires.

Eric

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:18 AM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) <
timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, Y'all-
>
> I got ants in my pants for some new handlebars. I've been riding the
> Albatross bars since last spring and I love the upright riding position.
> Plus, they're gorgeous/comfy. Although, ever since I've got them I wished
> they were wider. Probably didn't help that I was riding the Bullmoose bars
> before them or that I have wide shoulders. The Albatross performed well
> some long rides and varied terrain,but I wish I could get out of the saddle
> more comfortably.
>
> Anyway, now that VO has their quill stem with 31.8 clamp, I'm considering
> the Jones H-bar. I'm thinking of the loop or the bend in 710mm. My biggest
> hesitation is that I think they look kind of funny! I hate to write that
> out loud, but it's true. The shape and the 31.8 clamp seem like they could
> clash on a Riv set up. I thought the Map/Ahearne bars would be a good
> solution, but they hand position wouldn't really be wider that the
> Albatross.
>
> Anyone have the Jones loop or bend on their Riv that would be willing to
> sharing photos/experiences? Convince me to stop putting fashion over
> function? Or maybe you're Jones h-bar/Riv set up is gorgeous AND functional?
>
> Anyone want to convince me the Map/Ahearne bar is the way to go? Would the
> angle of the hand position be enough to solve the issue even though they
> aren't much wider?
>
> Thanks!
> Tim
> Portland, OR
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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Tim, I just posted about my my new Jones Loop 2.5 on a Clem L. Here's the 
pics, and you can read about my impressions on that thread. This is a 
preliminary setup with a black stem I had lying around, I have a new/shorter 
silver stem on the way. I like the way they look!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/QDiNsiAcGmMVxmTy1

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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Hey, Y'all-

I got ants in my pants for some new handlebars. I've been riding the Albatross 
bars since last spring and I love the upright riding position. Plus, they're 
gorgeous/comfy. Although, ever since I've got them I wished they were wider. 
Probably didn't help that I was riding the Bullmoose bars before them or that I 
have wide shoulders. The Albatross performed well some long rides and varied 
terrain,but I wish I could get out of the saddle more comfortably. 

Anyway, now that VO has their quill stem with 31.8 clamp, I'm considering the 
Jones H-bar. I'm thinking of the loop or the bend in 710mm. My biggest 
hesitation is that I think they look kind of funny! I hate to write that out 
loud, but it's true. The shape and the 31.8 clamp seem like they could clash on 
a Riv set up. I thought the Map/Ahearne bars would be a good solution, but they 
hand position wouldn't really be wider that the Albatross. 

Anyone have the Jones loop or bend on their Riv that would be willing to 
sharing photos/experiences? Convince me to stop putting fashion over function? 
Or maybe you're Jones h-bar/Riv set up is gorgeous AND functional?

Anyone want to convince me the Map/Ahearne bar is the way to go? Would the 
angle of the hand position be enough to solve the issue even though they aren't 
much wider?

Thanks! 
Tim
Portland, OR

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