[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-03 Thread John Casteen
I would second what Erl said. Haven't ridden a Cheviot, but the Appaloosa with 
albatross bars and 38+ tires (mine are 42 mm Shikoros) is a great setup for 
anything around town. Stable, relatively upright, comfortable, and 
load-capable. It's not inherently slow, but I feel much safer on it than I do 
on other bikes that are inherently quick.

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[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-02 Thread Joe Bernard
I think an upright "see over things" riding position and good brakes (all Rivs 
offer both) are paramount for city riding. I don't agree that being slower is 
safer; as an ebiker I've discovered I feel safer in traffic when I can take 
over the lane on a 25mph side street instead of threading between parked and 
passing cars. 

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[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-02 Thread John W
Good points. I definitely think it’s intentional. But sometimes the tool puts 
you in the... right intention?

When I play guitar, I have an instrument with light gauge strings set close to 
the fretboard on a relatively short scale neck. It inspires me to improvise 
lines and play with large note intervals. Another instrument has higher action 
and thicker gauge strings. I comp chords on it and like to play fingerstyle. 
Horses for courses I think can also apply to city riding. 

As for drivers and city infrastructure changing to fit my needs— well, now that 
is a faulty premise if I ever heard one. 

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[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
John,

You equate slow with safe, but is that what you mean to do? If by “slow,” you 
mean intentional, then the bike matters not at all. Cultivate an attitude of 
intentional contentment when riding and join traffic to be seen as traffic and 
ride any bike you want. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-02 Thread Justin, Oakland
1) I believe your premise to be faulty. In my experience safety for cyclists in 
the city comes from good infrastructure, then driver awareness then cyclist 
behavior.

2) Any Riv where your hands are above the saddle will give you the relaxed 
feeling you seek. I ride a Saluki with MAP bars and can ride both relaxed and 
aggressive. The same bike with drop bars set fairly high gave me a similar 
feeling. I feel as if the Sam or the AHH are the perfect gateway bikes. I 
personally cannot get along with the angle that Albatross and Billie bars 
demand my wrists to be at. So I would either wait for the Wavvvie Gravy bar 
or buy the Billie/Albatross build kit and then put a bar with a less parallel 
to the top tube angle allowing you to reuse stem, shifters, etc. 

-J

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[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-02 Thread WETH
Ps: fatter tires help too. You don’t have to worry about the smaller potholes 
and other road debris as much. 38s or larger.

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[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-02 Thread WETH
John,
I would say it’s more handlebar dependent than frame, as most Riv frames ride 
well with swept back bars.  I find handlebars that sweep back allow for a more 
relaxed upright riding position, while also allowing for a more aggressive 
riding style when gripped closer to the stem.  Think albatross, bosco, Billie 
bars et al.  I find my Cheviot with swept back bars allows me to ride slowly 
and steadily in congested areas and then to ride more aggressively when 
conditions allow.
Photos here: https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157665232090983
I think any frame and bar combo that allows more upright riding will fullfill 
your goal.  You might have to experiment a bit with bar choice, but that’s part 
of the fun!
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-02 Thread Ana Candela
Cheviut!! And Clem L, too. For city riding, I believe step-throughs and mixtes 
are the bees knees :)

-Ana, riding her purpleriv mixte since 2016 :)

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[RBW] What frame and build set make you a safer, slower rider?

2018-06-02 Thread John W
I’ve been thinking a lot about safety, and about what it means to “underbike” 
in the city, in the name of keeping oneself purposely at lower-than-average 
speeds and maximally visible to pedestrians and cars. 

Naturally, most of this is in the hands of the cyclist. The best safety is 
defensive cycling. 

That said, as I consider a Riv purchase within the next year, I’m centering my 
decision of the frame and build kit around what would make for an enjoyable 
cycling experience in the city while also reinforcing the thought of, “Hey: 
slow down, be seen, be slow. Ride your bike, but don’t be a cyclist.”

Yes, this is an indulgence. But if anyone who overthought this as much as I’m 
doing, I’d welcome suggestions or thoughts of what worked for you. I’m ruling 
out single speeds due to cranky knees. But gearing and handlebar choices are in 
play. So, too are frames. I’m thinking either a Sam or Atlantis might fit the 
bill. 

I know I could strap a cinderblock to my bike. That sure would slow me down. 
But this is all about creating a fun bike that’s purpose built for this task. 

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