[RBW] Tanaka fenders - any thoughts?

[Evan Baird]

The older Tanaka fenders were made in a different factory, and had some issues 
with radius consistency. The newer ones seems more accurate, and come a bit 
longer + pre drilled. We asked them to start using the honjo style 2 bolt 
clamps instead of darumas, because they put way less stress on the holes so 
there's less risk of cracking. The front fenders are really meant to attach to 
a front rack, so it might be wise to use and extra u stay on the front if 
you're not running one.

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[RBW] Tanaka fenders - any thoughts?

[Jim Bronson]

Was thinking of getting some Tanaka fenders - Somafab store has them in
powdercoated creamy white to match the Grand Randonneur frame.  (
http://store.somafab.com/metalfenders.html)  However, I don't hear much
about these fenders as compared to the Honjos and the Berthouds.

When I did a Google search for "Tanaka fenders" the first picture I got was
of a Sam Hillbourne with the fenders, so I know at least one Rivendell has
been equipped with them.

The price is not much more than the SKS Chromoplastics, so it's pretty
appealing.

Any opinions out there?

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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[Zoraster]

I was looking at the Brass version they carry. At the price it's worth a try. 

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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

An example of a Euro-style workstand is the Park PRS-20. You have to take 
off a wheel and the workstand will clamp on the dropout ad support the BB 
shell.

http://www.parktool.com/product/team-race-stand-prs-20

Compare this to the more normal Park workstand, where clamping is at the 
seatpost or either the top tube or seat tube. I don't like clamping on the 
frame and I don't have enough seatpost exposed (a "fistful of seatpost") so 
I have to use a long sacrificial seatpost which is more work than removing 
a wheel.

http://www.parktool.com/product/deluxe-home-mechanic-repair-stand-pcs-4-1


On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:31:51 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> pardon my ignorance.  What's a Euro Style workstand?
> Michael
>
> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:35:18 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>
>> I'm with Franklyn regarding the Tanaka fenders. I've got a 26"x60mm set 
>> on my Atlantis and it took an hour or two to install, *after* I gathered 
>> all the necessary hardware and tools (spacers, drill, etc). It's not hard 
>> work, but one needs to be patient and knowing the tricks of installing 
>> metal fenders help. It is worth repeating that unlike plastic fenders, 
>> metal fenders should be installed without built-in stress.
>>
>> As for your questions, the gauge of the Tanaka fenders are similarly *
>> lithe* like the Honjos. The finish on the fenders isn't bad at all and 
>> are mostly indistinguishable from the Honjos (or at least I couldn't see 
>> significant differences). The design and quality of the fittings, however, 
>> are noticeably worse than those from Honjo and Bethouds (I don't have 
>> experience with VO fenders). Unlike the Honjo, the Tanaka stays are dull 
>> and stain easily. The Tanaka daruma bolts, although stainless, also aren't 
>> in the same league as the Honjos; it's like cast+plated vs. stamped parts, 
>> if that can be an analogy.
>>
>> Actually, I don't mind the length of the Tanaka fenders. Yes, they're 
>> shorter than Honjos, so fender flaps are mandatory. But they're short 
>> enough such that I can actually put the bike on "Euro style" workstands 
>> because the front flap can bend easily. With Honjos, I have to use a 
>> standard Park workstand. Although standard Park workstands are fine, I 
>> prefer the "Euro style" workstands as they're more stable. Same thing with 
>> roof racks. Fork-clamp racks become an option if you don't have long front 
>> fenders getting in the way.
>>
>> Finally, they're nice enough and cheap enough that I'll be getting 
>> another set for my LHT. I think that's probably the best endorsement - a 
>> repeat customer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:47:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Great, thanks. They are shorter, but not as short as many plastic 
>>> fenders, and I always install mudflaps. 
>>>
>>> How does the quality -- gauge of the metal, design and quality of the 
>>> fittings -- compare with Honjos or Berthouds? (VO's, at least the pair I 
>>> bought 3 years or so ago, is not as good, but for the price acceptable.)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM, franklyn  wrote:
>>>
 Though I haven't installed a pair on a Riv, I have installed two pairs, 
 one on a Raleigh One-Way and the other on my repainted 80's Specialized 
 Sequoia. Pictures are here:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157632662017902/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157622864069891/

 They are as much or as little pain as installing Honjo, VO, and 
 Berthoud metal fenders. For both bikes I used 700x45mm alloy fenders, and 
 the front one is significantly shorter than its Honjo and VO counterparts. 
 You can get them at a price cheaper than SKS chromoplastic fenders from 
 Tree Fort Bikes or Outside Outfitters. (I got mine for under $40 before 
 shipping).

 best,
 Franklyn
 Berkeley, CA

 On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:12:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> And they come in a moderate 559 size -- great! and the price is not 
> bad.
>
> I'll be curious to learn of anyone's experience about the quality and 
> fit. 
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
>> Has anyone here installed these on a riv?
>> http://store.somafab.com/**taaltrfe.html
>>
>> I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm 
>> kinda curious how much of a pain they are to install.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -sv
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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[Ron Mc]

no, there is no load on the fender - that is the point of aligning the stay 
in the rod bolt - not where it looks it ought to be, but where it relaxes 
the fender.  

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:09:08 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 05:03 -0800, Ron Mc wrote: 
> > I installed Honjos last month, and the real trick to these is the 
> > lateral position of the stay in the fender rod bolt.  The front is 
> > usually symmetric, but it depends on the alignment of the fork hole 
> > where the daruma rod bolt is attached.  The rear is probably not 
> > symmetric, due to different spread in the rear triangles.  It takes a 
> > few cycles of installing the wheel and adjusting the stay position in 
> > the rod bolt, before final tightening, to get it perfect. 
>
> That sounds a lot like you're pulling the fender into position with the 
> stay.  If so, know that in time that will result in the fender's 
> cracking from the stress. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 05:03 -0800, Ron Mc wrote:
> I installed Honjos last month, and the real trick to these is the
> lateral position of the stay in the fender rod bolt.  The front is
> usually symmetric, but it depends on the alignment of the fork hole
> where the daruma rod bolt is attached.  The rear is probably not
> symmetric, due to different spread in the rear triangles.  It takes a
> few cycles of installing the wheel and adjusting the stay position in
> the rod bolt, before final tightening, to get it perfect. 

That sounds a lot like you're pulling the fender into position with the
stay.  If so, know that in time that will result in the fender's
cracking from the stress.



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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[Ron Mc]

I installed Honjos last month, and the real trick to these is the lateral 
position of the stay in the fender rod bolt.  The front is usually 
symmetric, but it depends on the alignment of the fork hole where the 
daruma rod bolt is attached.  The rear is probably not symmetric, due to 
different spread in the rear triangles.  It takes a few cycles of 
installing the wheel and adjusting the stay position in the rod bolt, 
before final tightening, to get it perfect.  


 

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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[Michael Hechmer]

pardon my ignorance.  What's a Euro Style workstand?
Michael

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:35:18 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> I'm with Franklyn regarding the Tanaka fenders. I've got a 26"x60mm set on 
> my Atlantis and it took an hour or two to install, *after* I gathered all 
> the necessary hardware and tools (spacers, drill, etc). It's not hard work, 
> but one needs to be patient and knowing the tricks of installing metal 
> fenders help. It is worth repeating that unlike plastic fenders, metal 
> fenders should be installed without built-in stress.
>
> As for your questions, the gauge of the Tanaka fenders are similarly *
> lithe* like the Honjos. The finish on the fenders isn't bad at all and 
> are mostly indistinguishable from the Honjos (or at least I couldn't see 
> significant differences). The design and quality of the fittings, however, 
> are noticeably worse than those from Honjo and Bethouds (I don't have 
> experience with VO fenders). Unlike the Honjo, the Tanaka stays are dull 
> and stain easily. The Tanaka daruma bolts, although stainless, also aren't 
> in the same league as the Honjos; it's like cast+plated vs. stamped parts, 
> if that can be an analogy.
>
> Actually, I don't mind the length of the Tanaka fenders. Yes, they're 
> shorter than Honjos, so fender flaps are mandatory. But they're short 
> enough such that I can actually put the bike on "Euro style" workstands 
> because the front flap can bend easily. With Honjos, I have to use a 
> standard Park workstand. Although standard Park workstands are fine, I 
> prefer the "Euro style" workstands as they're more stable. Same thing with 
> roof racks. Fork-clamp racks become an option if you don't have long front 
> fenders getting in the way.
>
> Finally, they're nice enough and cheap enough that I'll be getting another 
> set for my LHT. I think that's probably the best endorsement - a repeat 
> customer.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:47:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Great, thanks. They are shorter, but not as short as many plastic 
>> fenders, and I always install mudflaps. 
>>
>> How does the quality -- gauge of the metal, design and quality of the 
>> fittings -- compare with Honjos or Berthouds? (VO's, at least the pair I 
>> bought 3 years or so ago, is not as good, but for the price acceptable.)
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM, franklyn  wrote:
>>
>>> Though I haven't installed a pair on a Riv, I have installed two pairs, 
>>> one on a Raleigh One-Way and the other on my repainted 80's Specialized 
>>> Sequoia. Pictures are here:
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157632662017902/
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157622864069891/
>>>
>>> They are as much or as little pain as installing Honjo, VO, and Berthoud 
>>> metal fenders. For both bikes I used 700x45mm alloy fenders, and the front 
>>> one is significantly shorter than its Honjo and VO counterparts. You can 
>>> get them at a price cheaper than SKS chromoplastic fenders from Tree Fort 
>>> Bikes or Outside Outfitters. (I got mine for under $40 before shipping).
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Franklyn
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:12:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 And they come in a moderate 559 size -- great! and the price is not bad.

 I'll be curious to learn of anyone's experience about the quality and 
 fit. 

 On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> Has anyone here installed these on a riv?
> http://store.somafab.com/**taaltrfe.html
>
> I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm 
> kinda curious how much of a pain they are to install.
>
> Thanks,
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

I'm with Franklyn regarding the Tanaka fenders. I've got a 26"x60mm set on 
my Atlantis and it took an hour or two to install, *after* I gathered all 
the necessary hardware and tools (spacers, drill, etc). It's not hard work, 
but one needs to be patient and knowing the tricks of installing metal 
fenders help. It is worth repeating that unlike plastic fenders, metal 
fenders should be installed without built-in stress.

As for your questions, the gauge of the Tanaka fenders are similarly 
*lithe*like the Honjos. The finish on the fenders isn't bad at all and are 
mostly 
indistinguishable from the Honjos (or at least I couldn't see significant 
differences). The design and quality of the fittings, however, are 
noticeably worse than those from Honjo and Bethouds (I don't have 
experience with VO fenders). Unlike the Honjo, the Tanaka stays are dull 
and stain easily. The Tanaka daruma bolts, although stainless, also aren't 
in the same league as the Honjos; it's like cast+plated vs. stamped parts, 
if that can be an analogy.

Actually, I don't mind the length of the Tanaka fenders. Yes, they're 
shorter than Honjos, so fender flaps are mandatory. But they're short 
enough such that I can actually put the bike on "Euro style" workstands 
because the front flap can bend easily. With Honjos, I have to use a 
standard Park workstand. Although standard Park workstands are fine, I 
prefer the "Euro style" workstands as they're more stable. Same thing with 
roof racks. Fork-clamp racks become an option if you don't have long front 
fenders getting in the way.

Finally, they're nice enough and cheap enough that I'll be getting another 
set for my LHT. I think that's probably the best endorsement - a repeat 
customer.




On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:47:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Great, thanks. They are shorter, but not as short as many plastic fenders, 
> and I always install mudflaps. 
>
> How does the quality -- gauge of the metal, design and quality of the 
> fittings -- compare with Honjos or Berthouds? (VO's, at least the pair I 
> bought 3 years or so ago, is not as good, but for the price acceptable.)
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM, franklyn >wrote:
>
>> Though I haven't installed a pair on a Riv, I have installed two pairs, 
>> one on a Raleigh One-Way and the other on my repainted 80's Specialized 
>> Sequoia. Pictures are here:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157632662017902/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157622864069891/
>>
>> They are as much or as little pain as installing Honjo, VO, and Berthoud 
>> metal fenders. For both bikes I used 700x45mm alloy fenders, and the front 
>> one is significantly shorter than its Honjo and VO counterparts. You can 
>> get them at a price cheaper than SKS chromoplastic fenders from Tree Fort 
>> Bikes or Outside Outfitters. (I got mine for under $40 before shipping).
>>
>> best,
>> Franklyn
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:12:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> And they come in a moderate 559 size -- great! and the price is not bad.
>>>
>>> I'll be curious to learn of anyone's experience about the quality and 
>>> fit. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>>>
 Has anyone here installed these on a riv?
 http://store.somafab.com/**taaltrfe.html

 I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm 
 kinda curious how much of a pain they are to install.

 Thanks,
 -sv

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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[PATRICK MOORE]

Great, thanks. They are shorter, but not as short as many plastic fenders,
and I always install mudflaps.

How does the quality -- gauge of the metal, design and quality of the
fittings -- compare with Honjos or Berthouds? (VO's, at least the pair I
bought 3 years or so ago, is not as good, but for the price acceptable.)

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM, franklyn  wrote:

> Though I haven't installed a pair on a Riv, I have installed two pairs,
> one on a Raleigh One-Way and the other on my repainted 80's Specialized
> Sequoia. Pictures are here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157632662017902/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157622864069891/
>
> They are as much or as little pain as installing Honjo, VO, and Berthoud
> metal fenders. For both bikes I used 700x45mm alloy fenders, and the front
> one is significantly shorter than its Honjo and VO counterparts. You can
> get them at a price cheaper than SKS chromoplastic fenders from Tree Fort
> Bikes or Outside Outfitters. (I got mine for under $40 before shipping).
>
> best,
> Franklyn
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:12:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> And they come in a moderate 559 size -- great! and the price is not bad.
>>
>> I'll be curious to learn of anyone's experience about the quality and
>> fit.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone here installed these on a riv?
>>> http://store.somafab.com/**taaltrfe.html
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm
>>> kinda curious how much of a pain they are to install.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -sv
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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:34 AM, franklyn  wrote:

> Though I haven't installed a pair on a Riv, I have installed two pairs,
> one on a Raleigh One-Way and the other on my repainted 80's Specialized
> Sequoia. Pictures are here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157632662017902/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157622864069891/
>
> They are as much or as little pain as installing Honjo, VO, and Berthoud
> metal fenders. For both bikes I used 700x45mm alloy fenders, and the front
> one is significantly shorter than its Honjo and VO counterparts. You can
> get them at a price cheaper than SKS chromoplastic fenders from Tree Fort
> Bikes or Outside Outfitters. (I got mine for under $40 before shipping).
>
>
So you would definitely recommend a mudflap on the front one, I assume.

I'm debating between these and just going with another set of longboards.

any thoughts?
-sv

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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[franklyn]

Though I haven't installed a pair on a Riv, I have installed two pairs, one 
on a Raleigh One-Way and the other on my repainted 80's Specialized 
Sequoia. Pictures are here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157632662017902/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157622864069891/

They are as much or as little pain as installing Honjo, VO, and Berthoud 
metal fenders. For both bikes I used 700x45mm alloy fenders, and the front 
one is significantly shorter than its Honjo and VO counterparts. You can 
get them at a price cheaper than SKS chromoplastic fenders from Tree Fort 
Bikes or Outside Outfitters. (I got mine for under $40 before shipping).

best,
Franklyn
Berkeley, CA

On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:12:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> And they come in a moderate 559 size -- great! and the price is not bad.
>
> I'll be curious to learn of anyone's experience about the quality and fit. 
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> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Seth Vidal 
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>> Has anyone here installed these on a riv?
>> http://store.somafab.com/taaltrfe.html
>>
>> I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm 
>> kinda curious how much of a pain they are to install.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -sv
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Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders

[PATRICK MOORE]

And they come in a moderate 559 size -- great! and the price is not bad.

I'll be curious to learn of anyone's experience about the quality and fit.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> Has anyone here installed these on a riv?
> http://store.somafab.com/taaltrfe.html
>
> I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm kinda
> curious how much of a pain they are to install.
>
> Thanks,
> -sv
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[RBW] tanaka fenders

[Seth Vidal]

Has anyone here installed these on a riv?
http://store.somafab.com/taaltrfe.html

I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm kinda
curious how much of a pain they are to install.

Thanks,
-sv

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