Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-30 Thread Scott Henry
I will vote for the email version of the group.  (all of my groups
actually).  I set up a folder/filter and all of my bike related emails go
into a separate folder.  I can scroll the threads on my computer, my iPad
or my cellphone.  Since its Gmail based, I can read it anywhere on any
device and everything stays in sync.

I figure in actuality, I read maybe 10% of the posts, but when a 'star' a
thread, I tend to read them all.

Try the email version, you might like it.
Cheers,
Scott


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 I find it pretty comforting that in the world somewhere there are a good
 amount of people that enjoy talking about steel bikes and getting them
 dirty. Granted a lot of them(myself included) are kind of weird. But weird
 in a good way.

 Photo evidence by Stephen.
 http://flic.kr/p/eeT2Hk

 -Manny

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-30 Thread Lyle Bogart
I am an infrequent poster here, but I must say that I find this list to be
an invaluable resource. I think I learn something new every day through
this forum; I have very little to offer from a bike-tech perspective but I
do typically chime in when someone posts about the various physical aches
and pains which might arise when riding--I stick with my strengths and try
to add information which hopefully helps some folks out :-)

By way of a preview, I will be posting about an upcoming trip the Atlantis
and I will be going on throughout the west of Ireland. . . there will be
pics, of course, and pints ;-)

Cheers!

lyle


On 30 April 2013 11:27, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the number of active posters to this lis is fine... the traffic
 volume is manageable.

 RE: becoming un-moderated... I had the same delayed posts frustrations
 when I was moderated and decided that I would post at least one trip report
 w/ pics per week until I was unmoderated. It took about a month.

 I'm pretty sure Cyclofiend Jim puts more time into this group than most of
 us realize. Thanks, Jim.

 --Smitty


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a
 handlful actively participate.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-30 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Thanks to everyone for the kind words.  I enjoy this virtual ride we're 
sharing every day. 

Most of the more extreme delays in passing posts through and unmoderating 
folks occurred last year.  My mother-in-law was fighting cancer, my wife 
was with her 24/7 for the last couple months and she succumbed the day 
before Christmas, 2012.  I don't think I overtly stated any of that here, 
though I did allude to it in apologies to folks whose posts and requests 
were excessively neglected.  

I'm not trolling for sympathy - it's life.  But, during that time, though I 
was posting very little to the group and would lose several days or weeks 
to other priorities, this group helped breathe a little fresh air into 
things.  Sometimes the most wonderful thing in the world is to think about 
something simple, beautiful and normal.  Cycling and bikes have been there 
at several difficult periods of my life, patiently waited for me to catch 
up and nudged me along again.  

So, the true thanks goes to all of you who take a little time out of each 
day to share the good they've found, the knowledge they've gained, or the 
chuckle they've had.  It does more than you'd think.

all the best and enjoy the ride!


- Jim / cyclofiend.com / list admin / bike rider

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RE: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-30 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Wow.  Thanks for sharing that, Jim, and for all you do for our group.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for 
such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words.  I enjoy this virtual ride we're sharing 
every day.

Most of the more extreme delays in passing posts through and unmoderating folks 
occurred last year.  My mother-in-law was fighting cancer, my wife was with her 
24/7 for the last couple months and she succumbed the day before Christmas, 
2012.  I don't think I overtly stated any of that here, though I did allude to 
it in apologies to folks whose posts and requests were excessively neglected.

I'm not trolling for sympathy - it's life.  But, during that time, though I was 
posting very little to the group and would lose several days or weeks to other 
priorities, this group helped breathe a little fresh air into things.  
Sometimes the most wonderful thing in the world is to think about something 
simple, beautiful and normal.  Cycling and bikes have been there at several 
difficult periods of my life, patiently waited for me to catch up and nudged me 
along again.

So, the true thanks goes to all of you who take a little time out of each day 
to share the good they've found, the knowledge they've gained, or the chuckle 
they've had.  It does more than you'd think.

all the best and enjoy the ride!


- Jim / cyclofiend.com / list admin / bike rider
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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-30 Thread RJM
I do the web thing for this group. Mostly because I cannot stand to look at 
email, in fact I don't even know which email is set up for this group. I 
should probably figure that out though. I know I have lost threads or posts 
because of it, which isn't good.  I just like forum formats better than 
email. 
 
 
This group is awesome though and the subject is right up my alley. It's a 
daily read for me, but I don't post as often as I would like. Another thing 
I should change. 
 

On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:13:19 AM UTC-5, Skenry wrote:

 I will vote for the email version of the group.  (all of my groups 
 actually).  I set up a folder/filter and all of my bike related emails go 
 into a separate folder.  I can scroll the threads on my computer, my iPad 
 or my cellphone.  Since its Gmail based, I can read it anywhere on any 
 device and everything stays in sync. 

 I figure in actuality, I read maybe 10% of the posts, but when a 'star' a 
 thread, I tend to read them all.

 Try the email version, you might like it.
 Cheers,
 Scott


 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Manuel Acosta 
 manueljo...@hotmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 I find it pretty comforting that in the world somewhere there are a good 
 amount of people that enjoy talking about steel bikes and getting them 
 dirty. Granted a lot of them(myself included) are kind of weird. But weird 
 in a good way.  

 Photo evidence by Stephen.
 http://flic.kr/p/eeT2Hk

 -Manny
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-30 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Since the OP put up the first post on this thread, list traffic has
quadrupled. And I literally mean figuratively quadrupled. To paraphrase a
certain veep...


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  Wow.  Thanks for sharing that, Jim, and for all you do for our group.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Lee
Yeah, but do you wax your chain?

Lee
SF, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:56:09 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bike shimmy.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Joe K kub...@aol.com javascript:wrote:

 Longtime Riv custom owner here.  I bike all the time, mostly to get 
 about, sometimes for the fun of a longer ride with friends.  I really enjoy 
 reading the erudite comments of the posters here, and their willingness to 
 answer questions.  I do basic bike maintenance but am not handy with the 
 more complex things.  I feel I would comment more if I had more to offer. 
 In sum, I am grateful for this site.

 Joe K


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:15:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:

 I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all 
 around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but 
 relatively few of us are on here.  I don't necessarily find it surprising 
 though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the 
 inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it.  
 Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they 
 compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and 
 interesting to me.  Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but 
 a lot of it.  


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum 
 for some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only 
 a handlful actively participate.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 17:34 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote:
 I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are
 both free and MUCH more user friendly.  Google groups is almost like
 using DOS compared to the better formats out there. 

Such as what?

As far as I'm concerned, I've yet to see anything more user friendly
than email.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Tim McNamara
Why are you using Google Groups to read this mailing list?  Google Groups's 
interface is horrible, or was the last I looked at it.  Subscribe to get the 
posts by e-mail; I find the gap between sending and receiving to be quite fast.

Tim

On Apr 28, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Chris Lampe clampe1...@cox.net wrote:

 I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are both free 
 and MUCH more user friendly.  Google groups is almost like using DOS compared 
 to the better formats out there.   Also, I still have a long delay between 
 when I post and when the post appears so it makes me reluctant to post as 
 much.  Other than that, I enjoy the discussion here and it's a great place 
 for information on a specific type of riding that interests me (all-purpose 
 bikes that are comfortable).   
  
 
 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Chris Lampe
I visit and use this group like an internet forum and have never used the 
e-mail function.  If the majority of the people access this group via 
e-mail (something that never even crossed my mind as an option), then I 
guess it's a good way to go.  I'm just used to manually visiting a forum 
and scrolling thru topics so that's the bias thru which I view Google 
groups.  Heck, maybe e-mail access is what defines an Internet group.  
I've never been part of one before.  
 

On Monday, April 29, 2013 10:51:29 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 17:34 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote: 
  I've wondered why this forum isn't on one of those systems that are 
  both free and MUCH more user friendly.  Google groups is almost like 
  using DOS compared to the better formats out there. 

 Such as what? 

 As far as I'm concerned, I've yet to see anything more user friendly 
 than email. 





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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 10:02 -0700, Chris Lampe wrote:
 I visit and use this group like an internet forum and have never used
 the e-mail function.  If the majority of the people access this group
 via e-mail (something that never even crossed my mind as an option),
 then I guess it's a good way to go.  I'm just used to manually
 visiting a forum and scrolling thru topics so that's the bias thru
 which I view Google groups.  Heck, maybe e-mail access is what defines
 an Internet group.  I've never been part of one before. 


Try it, you'll like it!  I find POP email is much superior to both web
email access and web access to google groups  forums.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Tim Mac, I seem to recall that you access the web on a Mac you've owned since 
around 1994. Is that still true?

I've never had much trouble with Google Groups. Then again, I'm not a 
connoisseur.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-29 Thread Tim McNamara
No, I have updated.  You may be thinking of my 1998 iMac which was finally 
unplugged about three months ago.  I bought an iBook in 2005, which I still 
have, and a MacBook Pro a couple of years ago.  I tote a laptop to work for 
writing reports.  I've got my iPad, too, which I use at home for surfing the 
web and for travel.  My 1986 Mac 512Ke lived until just a few years ago, after 
passing from my hands to the son of my college roommate to his aunt to a 
convent where it published church bulletins or something.

But I have the same cell phone I have had for at least 10 years.  It's held 
together with tape and the numbers are worn off the keypad.  It can receive and 
send text messages although I don't know how to send a text.  I'm a cell phone 
Luddite!

Hmm... I have a 1996 All-Rounder, a mid-90s Ritchey, a 1990 Volvo 240- and I 
live in a 1908 house.  I wonder if maybe I don't like new stuff?

Tim


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 Tim Mac, I seem to recall that you access the web on a Mac you've owned since 
 around 1994. Is that still true?
 
 I've never had much trouble with Google Groups. Then again, I'm not a 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 14:40 -0700, Joe Bernard wrote:
 I think Google Groups is an issue for some. I found internet-bob and
 the shortlived original Riv List to be more accessible at
 bikelist.org. Google has quirks that are hard to learn, and once you
 learn them, they update to something quirkier. Not fun.  

I access this list by email, same as I did when it was hosted at
bikelist.org.  Can't say I've seen any of those quirks.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Seth Vidal
I'm with, Steve. Same experience of any mailing list. The only virtue of it
being a google group is that it is easier to search, imo.

-sv



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 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 14:40 -0700, Joe Bernard wrote:
  I think Google Groups is an issue for some. I found internet-bob and
  the shortlived original Riv List to be more accessible at
  bikelist.org. Google has quirks that are hard to learn, and once you
  learn them, they update to something quirkier. Not fun.

 I access this list by email, same as I did when it was hosted at
 bikelist.org.  Can't say I've seen any of those quirks.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread cyclotourist
Bike shimmy.

Cheers,
David



On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Joe K kube...@aol.com wrote:

 Longtime Riv custom owner here.  I bike all the time, mostly to get about,
 sometimes for the fun of a longer ride with friends.  I really enjoy
 reading the erudite comments of the posters here, and their willingness to
 answer questions.  I do basic bike maintenance but am not handy with the
 more complex things.  I feel I would comment more if I had more to offer.
 In sum, I am grateful for this site.

 Joe K


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:15:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:

 I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all
 around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but
 relatively few of us are on here.  I don't necessarily find it surprising
 though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the
 inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it.
 Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they
 compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and
 interesting to me.  Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but
 a lot of it.


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum
 for some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only
 a handlful actively participate.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread René Sterental
It is what it is... And it's pretty good!


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On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 To us on the list, these facts are surprising.  But true.  There is another 
 guy in town that also owns an Atlantis,  I run into him maybe once a 
 year.  The first time I stopped him, I was expecting a degree of 
 friendliness based on common ownership of a steel bike in a carbonic 
 world.  He didn't seem to think it interesting that 2 guys in the same town 
 would have the same niche bike.  When we see each other, he'll chat for a 
 moment but then must be going.  I've mentioned our So Cal Riv group but 
 he has no interest.  His bike always has panniers  he told me he has no 
 car, so that's his wheels.  But as to any association with other Riv 
 owners, he seems baffled by the idea.  And he's probably not alone.
 dougP  
 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:58:22 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 Based on my experience, the RBW universe is pretty diverse. Some Riv 
 owners don't know or care who Grant Petersen is. Many don't know or care 
 what Riv models exist in addition to whichever one they own. Believe it or 
 not, a few Riv owners have no interest in meeting other Riv owners or in 
 being part of anything that resembles an owners' club. Some just bought a 
 Riv because it looked nice, and didn't spend any time delving into the back 
 story or the nitty gritty enough to know there's an actual Riv cult.
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