[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-10 Thread John Hawrylak
GE

I misquoted the "Min SH" column as the PBH range.  My mistake.  The PBH 
column (1st col) shows a 74 to 75cm PBH range.  

The takeaway is: concentrate on women as buyers.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 1:03:49 PM UTC-4, G.E. wrote:

> *John*: I was going to say that I believe the PBH was 73-74, rather than 
> 63-64 as Bill pointed out, but yes, it's definitely going to be for a 
> smaller stature individual, most likely female. 
>
> *Joe*: I think you're likely correct. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a JB 
> paint job, as I'm sure I would've paid for that! :)
>
> *Blakcloud*: Thank you! I wish my other Rivendell was this color because 
> I really do love it. Thanks for your suggestions and price thoughts as 
> well. I actually have a set of drop bars I was considering mounting instead 
> of the albatross bars, which would make the brake levers less clunky 
> looking (and yes, I do understand what you're saying about this and agree). 
> The cork grips tore in removal, so I'd have to get another set of grips 
> (which wouldn't be a huge deal), so it's a matter of deciding which way to 
> go with that.
>
> You all continue to be helpful, so thank you!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-10 Thread Patrick Moore
One point to take into account is, be prepared to list, find no takers, and
remove and wait, and list again. I've seen the same bikes and parts snapped
up right away at good prices, at other times linger for weeks with no
takers.

I listed a middle sized Sam frameset, with added braze ons, for weeks,
until I finally asked my brother, then in CA, to build it and sell it
there, for a cut. I did sell a 3d hand Ram frameset reasonably quickly; and
I've sold many other frames and bikes on list and off. Again, if you want
to sell it right away, be prepared to sell cheap. If you want a better
price, be prepared to wait.

That's a nice looking bike, btw, and I daresay it will sell, at a decent
price -- eventually.

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-10 Thread G.E.
*John*: I was going to say that I believe the PBH was 73-74, rather than 
63-64 as Bill pointed out, but yes, it's definitely going to be for a 
smaller stature individual, most likely female. 

*Joe*: I think you're likely correct. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a JB paint 
job, as I'm sure I would've paid for that! :)

*Blakcloud*: Thank you! I wish my other Rivendell was this color because I 
really do love it. Thanks for your suggestions and price thoughts as well. 
I actually have a set of drop bars I was considering mounting instead of 
the albatross bars, which would make the brake levers less clunky looking 
(and yes, I do understand what you're saying about this and agree). The 
cork grips tore in removal, so I'd have to get another set of grips (which 
wouldn't be a huge deal), so it's a matter of deciding which way to go with 
that.

You all continue to be helpful, so thank you!

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-10 Thread blakcloud
Absolutely one of the nicer bikes I have seen. The colour is perfect. I 
liked your photos and would only change a few things before the sale. First 
put the bars back in the upright position, and don't tape them all the way, 
use the cork grips again. The brake levers have to go, they look like a 
cludge at best. Install some inexpensive Shimano levers. Take the basket 
off and offer it as an incentive but the bike will look better for sale 
without it. I think Hugh's advice about his selling technique is a good 
one. 

The real question is price? I think in the $1800 dollar range might be 
doable. Good luck on your sale. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread G.E.
Doug,

That is good information to have. Thank you for chiming in!

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread Bill in Roswell GA
Joe B, I'm 5-7 with 29 PBH and ride 54 or even 55 depending on top tube 
(54-54.5) I would say someone riding a 47 would be 5-1 to 5-3, since 
several women I ride with are that size and frame fit. 

YMMV.

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:35:19 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That's really pretty in red. I'd recommend taking a straight-line toptube 
> measurement (not the actual slope) from seattube through headtube to get a 
> reach number. A smaller person (maybe a bit shorter than I at 5'-7") might 
> be able to run it with drop bars.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread Joe Bernard
The paint is probably from D near RBW. He usually does the custom colors on 
Riv production frames, and is insanely good at it. I'm sure folks who charge a 
lot more for custom paint want to strangle him ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread John Hawrylak
GE

Based on the small 47cm frame. your best audience would be WOMEN riders.  
There will be a higher proportion of women since they are generally 
smaller.   

RBW geometry charts show the PBH range of 63 to 64 cm for a AHH 47cm 
frame.  the red is a very nice color, especially with the white HT

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread Doug Van Cleve
I sold my dad's Saluki a few years ago, it was somewhere in the 57-58cm
size range.  It was used but nice and built up in a not particularly
Riv'ish manner.  It sold quickly at $1400 IIRC, I probably could have
gotten at least a bit more but I didn't want the sale to take forever.

Doug

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:07 AM, DB  wrote:

> I paid $1200 for a complete used Saluki a couple years ago.  It was in
> flawless condition.  Someone has been trying to sell one on the Bay Area
> Craigslist off and on for a year or so at $2400 and does not appear to have
> gotten any takers.  Depending on condition and the parts you are including,
> pricing it closer to $1200 would help you sell it faster.
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 10:14:35 PM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>
>> I'm in need of some assistance and am hoping some of you here might have
>> thoughts and be able to offer suggestions. I purchased a NOS Saluki/Hilsen
>> from Riv at the beginning of the year and built it up. It's been ridden,
>> but not much (it's a second Riv for me). My husband and I agreed that we
>> would each sell a bicycle in order to make space and help fund the purchase
>> of a tandem we can ride together. Unfortunately for me, this is the only
>> bike I can really see letting go of in the current bunch since it functions
>> mostly as a duplicate as far as purpose in the bike fold goes.
>>
>> Anyway... long story short, I need some help in regard to a selling
>> price. Obviously, I can calculate out the cost of what I paid for the
>> frame/fork and all the parts, but I'm looking for realistic numbers for a
>> (mostly) whole bike. I don't intend to sell the saddle, pedals, or any
>> carrying stuff like bags, baskets, racks, but otherwise it has fenders and
>> all the parts necessary for riding. I don't want to be unrealistic about a
>> price, but if you have thoughts on what these are typically going for these
>> days, I would appreciate your feedback. Additionally, if you have thoughts
>> on a good place(s) to try to list it, that would be helpful too. I'm trying
>> to avoid eBay if I can help it.
>>
>> Thanks so much in advance for your thoughts.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread G.E.
Joe: I can run it with drop bars and I'm almost 5'4". Of course, I have a 
fairly short stem on it too. I have proportions more like a guy though... 
meaning even though I'm not horribly tall, I have shorter legs and a longer 
torso.  I decided to put the albatross on it because I was using it more 
for transportation around town. I will definitely take measurements of the 
bike before it gets posted.

Doug: I don't think it was a Joe Bell paint job (pretty sure), but I'll 
double check for the sticker. Thank you for that reminder!

Steve: That is awesome! Thank you for posting the geo chart. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread Steve Palincsar



On 08/09/2017 06:09 PM, dougP wrote:

Group:  Were Saluki dimensions ever published?


You mean, like this?


 SALUKI GEOMETRY, TIRE CAPACITY, BRAKE SPECS



*BB DROP
*mm

*TT UPSLOPE
*degrees

*Rear Hub Space
*mm

*APPROX. Standover at mid TT*** *
*cm

*ST angle
*degrees

*HT angle
*degrees

*Rake
*mm

*Top Tube
*cm

*Chain stay
*mm

*WHEEL SIZE *mm/nominal

*MIN. TIRE radius
*mm/nominal

*MAX. TIRE radius
*mm/nominal

*EFFECTIVE BRAKE REACH*

*BRAKE STYLE*
*47*
67
	2.5 	132.5 	73.5 	72.5 	71 	4.9 	52 	43.5 	584/650B 	312/650x30 
338/650x41 	65 	SP/CP or CANTI
*50* 	67 	1.5 	132.5 	75 	72.5 	71 	4.9 	53 	43.5 	584/650B 	312/650x30 
338/650x41 	65 	SP/CP or CANTI

*52*67  1.5 132.5   76.872.571  4.9
54.543.5584/650B312/650x30  338/650x41  65  
SP/CP or CANTI
*54*67  1.5 132.5   78.672  71  4.9
56  44.5584/650B312/650x30  338/650x41  65  
SP/CP or CANTI
*56*67  1.5 132.5   80.472  71  4.9
57  44.5584/650B312/650x30  338/650x41  65  
SP/CP or CANTI
*58* 	67 	1.5 	132.5 	82.2 	72 	71 	4.9 	58.5 	44.5 	584/650B 
312/650x30 	338/650x41 	65 	SP/CP or CANTI
*60* 	67 	1.5 	132.5 	84 	72 	71 	4.9 	59.5 	44.5 	584/650B 	312/650x30 
338/650x41 	65 	SP/CP or CANTI
*62* 	67 	1.5 	132.5 	85.8 	72 	71 	4.9 	61 	44.5 	584/650B 	312/650x30 
338/650x41 	65 	SP/CP or CANTI





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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread dougP
Group:  Were Saluki dimensions ever published?  

G.E.  That paint job is beautiful.  Check the lower left stay for a 
painter's decal.  If it says "JB" make sure to include that detail.  

dougP

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 1:35:19 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That's really pretty in red. I'd recommend taking a straight-line toptube 
> measurement (not the actual slope) from seattube through headtube to get a 
> reach number. A smaller person (maybe a bit shorter than I at 5'-7") might 
> be able to run it with drop bars. 

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread Joe Bernard
That's really pretty in red. I'd recommend taking a straight-line toptube 
measurement (not the actual slope) from seattube through headtube to get a 
reach number. A smaller person (maybe a bit shorter than I at 5'-7") might be 
able to run it with drop bars. 

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread G.E.
You all are fantastic! I didn't expect to have so many responses so 
quickly. I really appreciate all of your feedback. Many, many thanks to you 
all.

As for more details... It is a small frame, so I am aware that there 
doesn't seem to be quite the market for those sizes (47cm to be exact). The 
frame was a NOS that Rivendell was selling early this year and it was 
custom painted so it's a different color than the standard blue Homer 
Hilsens or the orange Salukis. I believe that it was actually old Saluki 
stock, but when Rivendell was selling it, they said it was the same as the 
Homer Hilsen, so I could choose either set of stickers. I think it's a 
beautiful color... but of course, I chose it. :) Anyway, as for parts, it 
has the Sugino triple (I think it's the 24-36-46, but I'd have to double 
check to be sure... the bottom might be a 26). It has albatross handlebars 
with Dura-Ace bar end shifters. I'm fairly certain this one is set up with 
the 8sp shifters because we had them in a box of parts (again, I'd have to 
double check to make certain it wasn't 9 sp). The wheels are nothing 
special - just a standard 650b set (I'll have to look to get specifics). It 
has Soma New Xpress cream tires with Stop2 Flats liners inside.

I'm located in Colorado, so I'm also aware that there isn't the same market 
here as there is in northern CA.

As for photos... I haven't removed everything yet that won't go with it 
(what will come off is the saddle, pedals, bag, basket, rack), but some 
pics taken in the wild can be seen 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/54032207@N04/albums/72157684414421915

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread Bill Lindsay
There is some luck involved in finding the right buyer.  That being the 
case, it's way easier to luck into finding the right buyer if your bike is 
in the Medium size range.  If it's a 47cm or a 73cm it may take longer to 
find the person you need. 

BL in EC

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 10:14:35 PM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>
> I'm in need of some assistance and am hoping some of you here might have 
> thoughts and be able to offer suggestions. I purchased a NOS Saluki/Hilsen 
> from Riv at the beginning of the year and built it up. It's been ridden, 
> but not much (it's a second Riv for me). My husband and I agreed that we 
> would each sell a bicycle in order to make space and help fund the purchase 
> of a tandem we can ride together. Unfortunately for me, this is the only 
> bike I can really see letting go of in the current bunch since it functions 
> mostly as a duplicate as far as purpose in the bike fold goes.
>
> Anyway... long story short, I need some help in regard to a selling price. 
> Obviously, I can calculate out the cost of what I paid for the frame/fork 
> and all the parts, but I'm looking for realistic numbers for a (mostly) 
> whole bike. I don't intend to sell the saddle, pedals, or any carrying 
> stuff like bags, baskets, racks, but otherwise it has fenders and all the 
> parts necessary for riding. I don't want to be unrealistic about a price, 
> but if you have thoughts on what these are typically going for these days, 
> I would appreciate your feedback. Additionally, if you have thoughts on a 
> good place(s) to try to list it, that would be helpful too. I'm trying to 
> avoid eBay if I can help it. 
>
> Thanks so much in advance for your thoughts.
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread DB
I paid $1200 for a complete used Saluki a couple years ago.  It was in 
flawless condition.  Someone has been trying to sell one on the Bay Area 
Craigslist off and on for a year or so at $2400 and does not appear to have 
gotten any takers.  Depending on condition and the parts you are including, 
pricing it closer to $1200 would help you sell it faster.  

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 10:14:35 PM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>
> I'm in need of some assistance and am hoping some of you here might have 
> thoughts and be able to offer suggestions. I purchased a NOS Saluki/Hilsen 
> from Riv at the beginning of the year and built it up. It's been ridden, 
> but not much (it's a second Riv for me). My husband and I agreed that we 
> would each sell a bicycle in order to make space and help fund the purchase 
> of a tandem we can ride together. Unfortunately for me, this is the only 
> bike I can really see letting go of in the current bunch since it functions 
> mostly as a duplicate as far as purpose in the bike fold goes.
>
> Anyway... long story short, I need some help in regard to a selling price. 
> Obviously, I can calculate out the cost of what I paid for the frame/fork 
> and all the parts, but I'm looking for realistic numbers for a (mostly) 
> whole bike. I don't intend to sell the saddle, pedals, or any carrying 
> stuff like bags, baskets, racks, but otherwise it has fenders and all the 
> parts necessary for riding. I don't want to be unrealistic about a price, 
> but if you have thoughts on what these are typically going for these days, 
> I would appreciate your feedback. Additionally, if you have thoughts on a 
> good place(s) to try to list it, that would be helpful too. I'm trying to 
> avoid eBay if I can help it. 
>
> Thanks so much in advance for your thoughts.
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread Joe Bernard
If it's the 47cm frame that was on the Riv site for ages, price towards the low 
end. It won't be easy to sell that size. 

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread Mattt
The the market will dictate the price.  Throw out a WAG on what you want for 
the bike and see if another party is willing to pay it.  If no one is buying 
this will tell you to lower the price.

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread dougP
G.E.:

Remove the parts that you intend to keep and post photos as you would sell 
it.  Size & color should be in the header.  The more detail in the parts 
listing the better; i.e. "Sugino XD-2 crankset w/ 24-36-46 rings" instead 
of "Sugino cranks".  Answer as many questions as you can anticipate.

This is probably one of your best places to sell, as people looking for a 
Rivendell will look here.  Many list members have extensive knowledge and 
so a better idea of what you're selling than the average bike buyer.  

As to price, that's a tough call.  The market will tell you, but the market 
changes.  For instance, if you have a very small frame, the market is 
narrow but for someone who needs one, the bike will be valuable.  Steve's 
advice on pricing is worth a thought.  Without knowing more detail, it's 
difficult to suggest a number.

dougP

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 10:14:35 PM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>
> I'm in need of some assistance and am hoping some of you here might have 
> thoughts and be able to offer suggestions. I purchased a NOS Saluki/Hilsen 
> from Riv at the beginning of the year and built it up. It's been ridden, 
> but not much (it's a second Riv for me). My husband and I agreed that we 
> would each sell a bicycle in order to make space and help fund the purchase 
> of a tandem we can ride together. Unfortunately for me, this is the only 
> bike I can really see letting go of in the current bunch since it functions 
> mostly as a duplicate as far as purpose in the bike fold goes.
>
> Anyway... long story short, I need some help in regard to a selling price. 
> Obviously, I can calculate out the cost of what I paid for the frame/fork 
> and all the parts, but I'm looking for realistic numbers for a (mostly) 
> whole bike. I don't intend to sell the saddle, pedals, or any carrying 
> stuff like bags, baskets, racks, but otherwise it has fenders and all the 
> parts necessary for riding. I don't want to be unrealistic about a price, 
> but if you have thoughts on what these are typically going for these days, 
> I would appreciate your feedback. Additionally, if you have thoughts on a 
> good place(s) to try to list it, that would be helpful too. I'm trying to 
> avoid eBay if I can help it. 
>
> Thanks so much in advance for your thoughts.
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

2017-08-09 Thread islaysteve
An NOS Saluki/Hilsen is kind of an intriguing concept and I'm sure everyone 
here would like to see some pix, regardless of sale.  I'm no expert, but 
given what you've said, I would take your cost for the frame and the parts 
that will be sold with it, and subtract maybe $400-500??  If it is unique 
in some way (as opposed to a standard Hilsen, say) I folks may be willing 
to pay more.  Again, we need more information.  Just my thoughts.  Good 
luck, Steve



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