Decided on a 59cm Clem Smith, Jr L. I love the ride of the Appaloosa and am
sold on the long-long chainstays.
This bike will remain permanently on the island, will be geared low, and will
be a utility bike. The ride to the village on the island is about 2 miles, all
uphill, and I intend to
My PBH is 95 and I run my saddles (180/178 cranks) at 85. On my Joe, I use
Pedaling Innovations long pedals and push my foot further forward. The saddle
on that one is at 84. (Jury still out on the overall value of the pedals, but I
no longer suffer excruciating hot foot on long rides, so that
Keep the Jones, sell the Surly; keep the Bombadil, sell the Fargo. Buy a
Roadini or a Roadeo, or something similar. Use the Jones for all rough tracks,
snow, mud, and so on. Use the Bombadil for mixed surface rides, groomed gravel,
light trails, and easy recreational rides. Buy a more
I tend to agree with Bill. I used to own a Trucker. Good bike, but it felt dead
without a load, and the wheelbase was 460, I believe, not the Appaloosa's 535
(if I'm remembering right). Huge Difference. I ride my Appaloosa with drops
about an inch above the saddle. Hard to get the Trucker front
I have a couple of 46/30 cranks--one Velo Orange, one White Industries. More
than enough top end and even at the bottom for all but loaded touring.
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I've never roasted coffee, but you folks sure have me interested.
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Patrick, I have a similar issue, though a different use for the tires. I am
going to be using my Joe as a hauler/commuter and so I want a tire that will
make flats rare. I use the Snoqualmie Pass tires right now, but flats are
inevitable with those tires, and I'd rather avoid the hassle on this
Looks great. Regarding your comment about the bike being nimble: I keep
tinkering with my Joe and now have a Jones Loop 710 bar on it. After riding it
for a couple of months with a drop bar, the upright bar is a revelation. I
ordered the bike with an Albatross bar, but was too accustomed to
At my size (6'5", 260) and location (on an Island with a total population of
not much more than 500k) it's hard to find bikes to test ride. My first 700c
bike (a 60cm Trek 520) was too small, though the salesman/store owner insisted
that it would be a good fit. In time, I bought a 62cm Surly
I just switched my v-brakes to thin lines. One of my Avids broke (not the arm,
bit the bracket that holds the noodle), so I'm running one Riv-issue Tektro and
one Avid Single-Digit 7, both with thin lines. Noticeable improvement, front
and rear.
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Patrick, I've been running Snoqualmie Pass tires on both my Joe and my Sam.
They run 42mm on DT Swiss TK540 rims and 43mm on Mavic A719s. Both rims have an
internal width of 19mm, I believe, and the difference may be nothing more than
the time the tires have been on the rims. I've had them on
I haven't ridden the Fred's, but I'm not sure how much you'll gain in the swap.
It's my understanding that the FF is a 300g tire with no protection. I assume
that the low weight comes, in part, from a thin and supple sidewall.
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If I understood the post, the top tube is about 120cm off the ground. Is that
possible? I was wondering if it was meant to read 102.
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Pods sold.
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Gevenalle shifters sold.
Would sell the Thumbies/shifters and pods together for $110 USD, shipped.
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I'm away from home at the moment, but I do have my Appaloosa with me (also
62cm). I think the standover will be very close. It's about 35" (889) with
Schwalbe Almotion 700 x 50s. I will be home Saturday and can post an exact
measurement then, in the event that you don't hear from anyone else.
Impressive video--and remarkable that it was done with a phone.
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35" to the middle of the top tube on my Sam with 700 x 44 Compass Snoqualmie
Pass.
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It's an ocean island. We now live about 4 miles from the water. The cottage is
more like 400 yards. I've never had any issues with corrosion on steel bikes.
Occasionally I mist them, or given a rubdown, with something called ACF-50,
which was developed as an anti-corrosive for planes, I
The fuss is really just an opportunity to express enthusiasm for bicycles. My
wife has always supported my interest in bikes. There's no problem at all.
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Yes, height has its curses when it comes to bicycles. For years I have ridden
bikes with long top tubes (Surlys before Rivs). My first "modern" bike was a
Trek 520. I knew nothing about sizing and geometry when I bought it. Turned out
the sale an sold me a 60 when I needed the next size up. I
Great looking ride and some wonderful photos.
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I set up my Joe with moustache bars for a while. I really liked them, but the
hoods position on a drop bar pushes me a little further forward, which I like.
Certainly I could have managed this with a 130 stem on the moustache, but I
also find that when the bars are an inch above the seat, the
Pretty much unimaginable to me, but the variety of people who manage it tells
me that, like most things in life, it's mental toughness that sees people
through. Certainly makes me feel like a wimp for some of my in-my-head whining
during those first long (80km) rides in the spring.
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We just put an offer in on a cottage (which will become the basis of a
retirement home down the line) on an Island 50 miles from where we live and
work. I'm just now working out the logic to eventually explain to my wife that
this may mean I need another bike. Makes no sense, labor-wise, to
Too big for a folder. Currently 6'5", 265. I would look and feel silly on a
folder, I'm afraid--and few are rotated to take my weight, at least from what
I've seen I'm my limited investigations online.
I'm intrigued by a recent suggestion on the Blahg that Riv was working on some
interesting
I've use the Revelate ones for bikepacking. Fantastic. They can take away a
hand position, however, if you like to rest your hands close to the stem.
That's the only downside I can think of.
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Garth, I have a silver Jones Loop (710) that I'm going to try. I have an 80mm
stem on hand with a 31.8 collar to take the Jones, and I think the fit will be
good.
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6'5" -- I'll still be using an upright bar, but nothing as extreme as the
Bosco. I'll make my final decision when I see the geo numbers for the 64.
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Looks like a peaceful place to mull the narrative line.
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Yeah, it's probably meaningless. Maybe it's just that my own bike balance has
improved over the years.
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I was intrigued by this number, as well. I heard an interview with Grant
somewhere in which he expressed reluctance to excite the hostile, loveless
bike-frame geometers of the interwebs, and I don't blame him. I've owned 15 or
more steel bikes in the last 20 years, and only on the Rivs have I
I really like bold coffee, and I find that coffee made with this sort of system
comes out a bit "thin." Best thing I've found is the aeropress, which allows
you to control the brew time and make anything from "espresso" to a full cup of
coffee. If you're getting the taste you want, though, then
Scratch that. Clem Smith, Jr 64 L.
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On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:25:26 AM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
> No question that the fork is more burly on the 2017s. I had that straight
> front Grant.
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> If the trails are light and relatively smooth, the Appaloosa would be fine. I
> like the widest possible tires f
No question that the fork is more burly on the 2017s. I had that straight front
Grant.
If the trails and light and relatively smooth, the Appaloosa would bike fine. I
like the widest possible tires for rough trails. On a recently camping trip, I
took the Appaloosa and suffered a little over
All the more reason to keep the Jones, in my view. You'd have to talk to Riv
about tolerances. I'm 6'5" and 265, and in that context, the Sam is not a burly
bike. Grant advised me that it would be just fine as a road bike but less
suited to trail riding and loaded touring. It's a great road
Wider tires.
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Great looking bike. I had decided to get one of the 64 Ls when they come in,
but I now I've let the idea go. I've got all the racks and things I need to
press my Joe into hauling and commuting service. Maybe a Clem when my ship
comes in. Enjoy yours. It looks just fabulous.
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I've been tempted to put the Eagle groupset on my Jones, but lately I've spent
all my money on Rivs. The new Eagle GX will be in out in the fall, I think.
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Fantastic shots. Looks like a great ride.
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I'm not going to buy one, but does anybody understand what the Roadini frame
sizes actually are? One of the pics on the site says it's of a 63.
Earlier--months ago--the bike was described as coming in a 62. I believe the
brochure refers to the dimensions of 61. I'm not going to buy one. Just
Just answered my own question by going to the pre-sale page. 61 is the largest.
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I have recently put my name on the list for a Clem 64 L, which will be
available in the fall. Originally I ordered a 59, but I wanted to double-check
the sizing. In an email exchange, Grant told me that most people will fit two
sizes of Clem, which makes sense to me. I don't love church-pew
I am the same weight and just LOVE the ride of my 62cm Sam on 44mm Compass
treads.
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Mike, I'm on my 4th set of bars. First was the albatross, then a mustache, then
a VO Rando bar, and now a Jones Loop H bar. I liked them all, but I think I'll
stick with the Jones, which is wider, has as many positions as a drop bar, and
sweeps back at 45°. Limited stem choice with a Jones,
Wonderful narrative and photos.
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I used only canti brakes a quite a while. Then I went ro discs. When I
discovered v-brakes, I wondered why I had bothered with discs. For true MTBs, I
think discs are an advantage in mud, and I prefer XT-level hydraulics, which
have been faultless, for me. Most mechanicals are fiddly, though
I have a set of Dia Compe Grand Compes. Are these basically the same thing?
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I bought a blue Brooks to match my first-ever bike build some years ago. Rode
it for an hour, then took it off because it chafed. A month later, I tried
again. Maybe a couple of rides. Still hated it. This went on for a couple of
years, until I had three or four hundred kilometres on the
I have a White Industries 46/30 crank, which I paired with a drop bar and
11-speed brifters, an 11-speed MTB derailleur (M8000), an 11-40 rear cassette,
and a Wolf Tooth Tanpan ratio converter. Works flawlessly and gives me 20-115
gear inches on a 2x setup.
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I have not ridden the Hunq, but it was my Jones Plus that set me on the path to
Rivendell. In 2015, I rode most of the Great Divide route on a Salsa Fargo. It
was okay, but even the XL frame was not a great fit for me, given the long days
in the saddle. Last year I built up a Jones Plus and
I think the VO Crazy Bar is an option. I made a facsimile by adding 6" bar ends
to a swept-back bar, like bullhorns. This gives a forward position, a middle
position on the apex of the bar, and an upright position. Probably the best
multi-position flatbar is the Jones Loop, which gives 5
I live on Vancouver Island. You can take the Cliper Ferry from downtown
Seattle, or another ferry from Anacortes, or a third from Port Angeles. All
wind up in Victoria. There is a cycling trail through the entire city (the
Galloping Goose), as well as routes up the Island. There are any number
After working plenty with 10-speed systems, I've been moving more toward
friction shifting and 9- or 8-speed systems. Having said that, I set up a
flawless 11-speed transmission with the following:
- Shimano 11-speed 105 brifters
- White Industries 46-30 VBC road crank (also have 42-26 rings,
I like these tires so much that I'm going to use them on a tour this summer.
There are risks, so I'm taking an extra tire, in case one gets slashed beyond
repair. I just can't give up the ride quality.
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I have a set of Almotion 700 x 50s. They are good tires and I intended to tour
with them, but if you're sensitive to ride quality, then there's no comparison.
The Compass tires soak up road imperfections in a way that the Almotions
cannot. Some people care about this, but others simply don't
I bought my 62cm silver Appaloosa about a month ago and have tinkered
obsessively to get the setup exactly as I want it for a light tour this summer
(2000km, all told, through the Yukon and Alaska). The bike has front the and
rear Surly racks and SKS fenders, fairly heavy oversize aluminum
I may end up with noodles (which is what I have on the Appaloosa), but first I
want to try the moustache.
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That's what I'm after!
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I am a fan of Surlys and have owned several. The flat top tubes and short head
tubes, however, always made it a challenge to get the bars where I wanted them.
I love the long head tubes and quick up-down adjustment of the quill stems on
the Rivendells. The Appaloosa fits me well and I'm
My wife and I rode 2700 kms of the GDMBR in 2015 and planned to go back this
year, but family circumstances changed our plans. I rode a Fargo with 2.4
Maxxis Ardents. When I returned, I sold the Fargo and bought a Jones Plus. I
prefer rigid bikes, but because I'm tall and heavy, the more
As a cyclist and a leukemia patient, I really appreciate learning about
Freddie. Thanks for the link.
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I have both Rivet saddles and Brooks saddles. The Rivets are comfortable more
quickly, IMO, but the Brooks saddles are a little more comfortable in time. I
tried the Cambium and hated it. I was surprised by the claims that it was
designed to replicate a B17 in a different material. I'm plenty
Ordered. I have been admiring the Cheviots and Clem's for some time, and at one
point I was going to order a 59 Clem. Then I caught wind of the 64 Clem L and
yesterday snagged the first pre-order frameset in grilver.
As recently as 3 years ago, I may well have scoffed at the idea of a
Fizik Performance tape comes in a metal blue. It's quite dark, though not a
true navy, and has a slight metallic sheen to it, which may or may not put you
off. I like the padding of this tape and find it easy to clean, when necessary.
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Great build. May not be a Riv frame, but that's a quality bike.
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Well, it's gone now, Bill. I was just emphasizing its purity by leaving it
untouched.
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I cut one a few years ago. It's now my most comfortable saddle, so much so that
I'm thinking of performing surgery on a recently purchased B17.
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Stunning. Thank you, Deacon Patrick.
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I tried a moustache bar on my Joe and liked it. I replaced it because it was
only about 50cm wide, and I wanted more width. Everything else I liked about
the bar. I ran it so the hoods were about an inch above the saddle and the
bar-ends were about an inch below. The Albastache has more width
I am about 270 at the moment and love my Sam. I have a Joe set up as a
hauler/router, but the Sam is my road bike. Lighter riders describe the Sam as
heavy duty, but to me it feels perfect on the road. My advice is to run it
with wide, supple tires.
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Bill, I’m interested in the orientation on the bikepacking bag. Will you run
the narrow end against the seat tube, with the bag flaring toward the head
tube? Just wondering if you anticipate any interference with your knees.
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If you accept the developer’s research, then pedalling midfoot is not entirely
the point. It’s a matter of applying the “lifting” force from more of the foot.
If memory serves, he says the benefit will come only if the force is applied
from either side of the arch. Whether you accept his
John, I did not lower the saddle anything like 3cm. Maybe half that. I
eyeballed the change, which probably came out to about a half-inch.
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Yes, this has been worth it for your loyal readers as well, Bill. I admire your
commitment, but obviously you have made some significant gains, and I'm sure
that has provided motivation down the stretch. I also like your bikes. I've
been tempted to get an RLT or a Black Mountain Road, and this
Dave told me a while back that they could be in as early as October 6th.
I'm sure we'd know if that had happened. I'm not getting a Roadini, but
I've been watching the site for builds and frames because after the
Roadinis are in, the Big Clem L's will be next!
Jay
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19th of 11,000 is more than impressive--a source of justifiable pride to go
along with your bold humility.
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I have a never-opened Nitto S84 lugged seatpost, 27.2 x 300mm long. $140 USD,
shipped.
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Tim, this bike is the hauler I'm going to leave on an island where we just
bought a place. We went over on our bikes a couple of weeks ago, and my shiny,
pristine Riv looked WAAA out-of-place among the commenters and tourers.
Stickers will bring it in line with the local approach. Don't
I love it.
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Lowering the price on this significantly to move it -- 115 USD (net to me),
shipped.
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Great report on your impressive challenge. I have a BMC Monster Cross and
almost bought the road bike when I was in Mike's shop a year ago. Probably not
as flexible as you, though, so maybe that was a good thing. Keep up the great
work. Looking forward to #6.
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I have clicking on a Brooks B17 aged saddle. Drives me nuts and was hard to
chase down. I could feel it in the frame. Changed the bars, lubed the stem,
checked teh BB, the cables, the spokes. Glad I'm not the only one.
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I recently sold my last motorcycle, after years of touring throughout North
America. For a time I had a Honda 650 dual sport, but that was a mistake. Some
of the riding I was doing was too technical for a bike that tall and heavy. A
friend with a long history of riding performance bikes bought
When I purchase a new bike or frame, I'm obsessively Felixian. I strive for
perfection in the build and often use helicopter tape on sections of tubing
most likely to get scratched. After a month or so, I remain mechanically
obsessive but aesthetically indifferent. I don't like scratches and
If 70 mph highway speeds are important, then you'll probably want something
like a KLR 650. I rode big ADV bikes for years. Once you get used to a twin,
triple, or four on the highway, a "thumper" isn't much fun, but if the highway
runs are relatively short and you want mechanical simplicity, a
Nutcase makes a reasonably priced, non-swoopy helmet. I had v1 with an ironic
Evel Knievel paint job. My only complaint was that it had fewer vents than a
swoopy helmet and was a little hot in the summer. Great winter helmet, though.
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Thoroughly enjoyable, as usual. I respect a man who has the sense to escape on
a bike ride and leave technical tasks to trained professionals. As I like to
say, "I could pay myself to do it twice, but I'd rather save some money and
have a pro do it right the first time."
By all means, read
I've often wondered about getting a set of those. Now I will.
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Hey, Keith...I'll take the B67.
On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 11:45:39 AM UTC-7, Keith Muller wrote:
> Hey all,
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> Clearing out my extra parts. PM me with any questions. All prices include
> shipping. See my google drive folder for pics.
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To clarify: There IS a difference between the Compass tires and the Shikoros,
but it's not nearly as dramatic as I expected. I love the ride of the Compass
tires and run them on my Sam. The switch gives me a backup set for that bike.
The Shikoros don't have the incredible road feel of the
I recently stumbled across a compilation of mfg rim-tire recommendations. Maybe
it was here. Wish I'd saved it. Mavic basically says you can run anything up to
a 2.5 on a 19mm internal width rim.
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I have big, wide feet and suffer from intense hot foot (nerve pain from
metatarsals squeezing together, I'm told). I like Chromag Scarabs for their
massive platforms and Shimano Saints for the length of the spindle. I have one
set of the huge Pedalling Innovations pedals and have become a fan.
I use Dave's Mud Shovels, front and rear, on my MTB. Overkill, perhaps, but
they get the job done.
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Such a great question. I like to be able to go ANYWHERE on my bikes, but I
don't always want to run a triple or lose high-end gears. 19 fest inches gets
me up anything I'll tackle. Would I settle for 20.3? On anything other than a
touring bike, yes. Would I feel the difference? On a long,
Ah, frame bag. I had thought you meant a seat bag. It all makes sense now. That
is a some serious hauling capacity.
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I've also been in search of times that would match the Compass tires without
the same high cost. I was working on the assumption that a bigger company with
wider distribution channels could offer the same thing for less. Doesn't appear
to be the case. The closest alternative is the Soma Supple
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