Re: [RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-08 Thread Ron Mc 
...always ride with bent elbows and straight wrists.  

On Monday, July 8, 2013 5:41:23 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> this is absolutely true - supporting yourself with your core muscles and 
> balancing with your arms - even pulling with your arms - puts everything 
> you have through the pedals.  Been discussing these things with my daughter 
> since she is on her first drop-bar bike - and she's going FAST by nature - 
> chased her again yesterday for 15 quick miles.  As we get older we lean on 
> the bars and this is a source of cervical strain, and a reason we want to 
> go farther upright as we relax on the bike.  So far, moustache is as far 
> upright as I want to go.  I'm sure I'll eventually build a bike with an 
> Alba cockpit.  Always ride with bent elbows.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-08 Thread Ron Mc 
this is absolutely true - supporting yourself with your core muscles and 
balancing with your arms - even pulling with your arms - puts everything 
you have through the pedals.  Been discussing these things with my daughter 
since she is on her first drop-bar bike - and she's going FAST by nature - 
chased her again yesterday for 15 quick miles.  As we get older we lean on 
the bars and this is a source of cervical strain, and a reason we want to 
go farther upright as we relax on the bike.  So far, moustache is as far 
upright as I want to go.  I'm sure I'll eventually build a bike with an 
Alba cockpit.  Always ride with bent elbows.  

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 5:18:21 PM UTC-5, Joe Hogg wrote:
>
>  On 07/07/2013 03:11 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>
> Note that bending at the hips more also brings into play additional 
> muscles; I can feel a slight increase in power, independently of aero (I 
> feel it even a lowish speeds) when I go into the hooks or shove back and 
> grab the hoods or ramps with bent elbows. So there are two speed benefits 
> for a more-bent-over position, ceteris paribus of course.
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Kelly >wrote:
>
>> Albatross bars are slower than drops if same power is applied and you are 
>> in the drops.
>> The aero dynamics going from brake hoods down to drops is over one mph 
>> advantage by itself.
>> Of course you could mount your albas low enough and run a stem long 
>> enough to achieve the same aerodynamics then they would be equal. :).
>>
>> So wider, higher, and a more upright riding position guarantee they will 
>> be slower.
>> Based on equal power imput.
>>
>> Kelly
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> Greetings,
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> Everyone knows this, but it was a mild revelation to me some time ago when 
> I bent my elbows, leaned forward a little and supported my torso, not with 
> my arms and hands, but with my stomach and back. I immediately gained 
> additional power in the pedal stroke and when I pulled back on the pedals 
> at the bottom of the stroke (I don't use clipless pedals or straps), I got 
> a little extra energy and it helped to automatically take the weight off 
> the pedal on the upstroke. Simple changes made a difference.
>
> Joe Hogg
> LA, CA
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[RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-08 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
I go the same speed on all my bikes. 

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Re: [RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-08 Thread Joe Hogg 

  
  
On 07/07/2013 03:11 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Note that bending at the hips more also brings into
  play additional muscles; I can feel a slight increase in power,
  independently of aero (I feel it even a lowish speeds) when I go
  into the hooks or shove back and grab the hoods or ramps with bent
  elbows. So there are two speed benefits for a more-bent-over
  position, ceteris paribus of course.
  
  On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Kelly 
wrote:

  Albatross bars are slower than drops if same power is applied
  and you are in the drops.
  The aero dynamics going from brake hoods down to drops is over
  one mph advantage by itself.
  Of course you could mount your albas low enough and run a stem
  long enough to achieve the same aerodynamics then they would
  be equal. :).
  
  So wider, higher, and a more upright riding position guarantee
  they will be slower.
  Based on equal power imput.
  
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Greetings,

Everyone knows this, but it was a mild revelation to me some time
ago when I bent my elbows, leaned forward a little and supported my
torso, not with my arms and hands, but with my stomach and back. I
immediately gained additional power in the pedal stroke and when I
pulled back on the pedals at the bottom of the stroke (I don't use
clipless pedals or straps), I got a little extra energy and it
helped to automatically take the weight off the pedal on the
upstroke. Simple changes made a difference.

Joe Hogg
LA, CA
  




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Re: [RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-07 Thread Robert Barr 
No, I think my experience is similar to Jay's, a few minutes here or there.
But I also don't ride for speed. Bob (Indianapolis)



On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Exactly, I could ride a funny bike with huge TT bars if I just wanted to
> go fast. I would rather be comfortable.
> On Jul 7, 2013 8:38 PM, "Peter Pesce"  wrote:
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>> Yes, I feel a bit slower vs drops or even flat bars, but I'm much more
>> upright, and comfortable, and having more fun, so who cares.
>>
>> Pete in CT
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Re: [RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Morgano 
Exactly, I could ride a funny bike with huge TT bars if I just wanted to go
fast. I would rather be comfortable.
On Jul 7, 2013 8:38 PM, "Peter Pesce"  wrote:

> Yes, I feel a bit slower vs drops or even flat bars, but I'm much more
> upright, and comfortable, and having more fun, so who cares.
>
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[RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-07 Thread Peter Pesce 
Yes, I feel a bit slower vs drops or even flat bars, but I'm much more upright, 
and comfortable, and having more fun, so who cares. 

Pete in CT

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Re: [RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-07 Thread JL 
Yes.  I ride slower on albatross bars because I ride the bike that I have albas 
when I am not in a hurry.  I can go just as fast when i have to: running late 
to catch my commute train, for example. 

Cheers
Jason Leach
SF, CA

On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Yes or no and what do you attribute this too?
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Re: [RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-07 Thread Patrick Moore 
Note that bending at the hips more also brings into play additional
muscles; I can feel a slight increase in power, independently of aero (I
feel it even a lowish speeds) when I go into the hooks or shove back and
grab the hoods or ramps with bent elbows. So there are two speed benefits
for a more-bent-over position, ceteris paribus of course.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Kelly  wrote:

> Albatross bars are slower than drops if same power is applied and you are
> in the drops.
> The aero dynamics going from brake hoods down to drops is over one mph
> advantage by itself.
> Of course you could mount your albas low enough and run a stem long enough
> to achieve the same aerodynamics then they would be equal. :).
>
> So wider, higher, and a more upright riding position guarantee they will
> be slower.
> Based on equal power imput.
>
> Kelly
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[RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-07 Thread Kelly 
Albatross bars are slower than drops if same power is applied and you are in 
the drops.
The aero dynamics going from brake hoods down to drops is over one mph 
advantage by itself.
Of course you could mount your albas low enough and run a stem long enough to 
achieve the same aerodynamics then they would be equal. :). 

So wider, higher, and a more upright riding position guarantee they will be 
slower.   
Based on equal power imput.

Kelly

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[RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

2013-07-07 Thread Michael 
Yes or no and what do you attribute this too?
 
 

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