[RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-17 Thread Jeff Lesperance 
I tried squeezing the Rock n' Roads under my original longboard fenders,
and I didn't have enough vertical clearance at the fork crown and front
brake. Around the same time I had seen a blug post where they had cut and
installed fenders on a Sam if I remember correctly for the same reason. I
was looking for a flat, non-curved fender to possibly mitigate some of the
risk of running knobby tires with fenders, and found the woody fenders.

Cody at Woody's fenders offered a "split kit" with extra hardware needed to
split the front and rear fenders if needed. I had him split the front
fender for me as I knew for sure I'd need it there, and bought the extra
hardware from him in case I needed to split the rear as well. Per my
recollection I don't think it NEEDED to split the rear, but it gave a bit
more wiggle room in doing so.

Here's s couple pics that I took when I initially did the install:

https://goo.gl/photos/PGFP7zhM4H6q8Jhn7

I found that with fenders and knobby tires, riding in gravel, I had a few
incidents where rocks got caught up and theater bed to do bad things. I
only took the rock n' roads off because I haven't been using Sam for
off-road riding since my last tour. They're great tires, he just spends
most of his time on the pavement now, so Compass tires get the nod.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Marc40a <[email protected]
> wrote:

> Interesting, Jeff. I just made the switch from Barlow Pass (great tires,
> BTW) to 45mm Smart Sams (no fenders).
>
> If my back rim, my rack, rear brakes and the planets are in perfect
> alignment, I can squeeze them in without any rubbing - barely. My first
> ride was this past weekend on an incredibly gnarly but equally beautiful
> hill near my house. It was amazing.
>
> Was it the just the fear of misalignment or an actual misalignment that
> caused you to switch?
>
> My current thought is that I'll pack a smaller diameter folding tire in my
> bag for extended trips, just in case.
>
> Best,
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 5:53:25 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>
>> Those are Bruce Gordon Rock n' Roads 700x43. I bought the woody fenders
>> split in two segments per wheel just for those tires, but after a few
>> off-road rides, I found the general suggestion that fenders+knobby tires
>> are risky to hold true. The tires were great on tour last year over much
>> mixed surface riding, but I'm back to rolling on Compass Barlow Pass tires.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2016, Marc40a <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> What size/brand are those knobby tires in the last few pictures in the
>>> series?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:58:24 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

 I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back
 - I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the
 standard riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the
 leather Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here
 and there, and settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after
 matching shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then
 trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:

 https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7

 -Jeff
 Silver Spring, MD

 On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B  wrote:

> I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!
>
> So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await
> shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.
>
> Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm
> sure it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but
> wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their
> Sage Sammy pics?
>
> cheers,
> Jack
> Portland, OR
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Re: [RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-17 Thread Marc40a 
Interesting, Jeff. I just made the switch from Barlow Pass (great tires, 
BTW) to 45mm Smart Sams (no fenders). 

If my back rim, my rack, rear brakes and the planets are in perfect 
alignment, I can squeeze them in without any rubbing - barely. My first 
ride was this past weekend on an incredibly gnarly but equally beautiful 
hill near my house. It was amazing. 

Was it the just the fear of misalignment or an actual misalignment that 
caused you to switch? 

My current thought is that I'll pack a smaller diameter folding tire in my 
bag for extended trips, just in case.

Best,
Marc




 

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 5:53:25 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> Those are Bruce Gordon Rock n' Roads 700x43. I bought the woody fenders 
> split in two segments per wheel just for those tires, but after a few 
> off-road rides, I found the general suggestion that fenders+knobby tires 
> are risky to hold true. The tires were great on tour last year over much 
> mixed surface riding, but I'm back to rolling on Compass Barlow Pass tires.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016, Marc40a <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> What size/brand are those knobby tires in the last few pictures in the 
>> series?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:58:24 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back 
>>> - I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the 
>>> standard riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the 
>>> leather Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here 
>>> and there, and settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after 
>>> matching shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then 
>>> trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:
>>>
>>> https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> Silver Spring, MD
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B  wrote:
>>>
 I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!

 So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await 
 shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.

 Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm 
 sure it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but 
 wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their 
 Sage Sammy pics?

 cheers,
 Jack
 Portland, OR

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Re: [RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-16 Thread Austin_4841 
Great shots, Richard. Seems our builds will be similar.

The Hillborne frame arrived safe & sound (62cm paint blemish on the Riv 
site saved me $150 and for the life of me, I can't find any blemishes). It 
took me nearly an hour just to get it out of the box, unpacked, and into my 
work stand. Very well packed. It really is a handsome machine.

Here's a photo of where I've gotten it so far--mostly bits taken off 
another bike (Velo Orange Pass Hunter--a nice bike but too small). Included 
in the build:

   - Brooks Cambium, Nitto Seatpost
   - Velocity A23 wheels
   - Compass Bon Jon Pass tires (700x35mm)
   - Nitto Noodle Bar
   - Deore RD with a 9-speed 12-36 cassette
   - Ultegra FD
   - Ultegra Compact Crankset (until I replace it)
   - Tektro R559 & Nitto Tallux (both from Riv)
   - Shimano Bar end shifters (A keen eye will see those are STI levers on 
   it now--I still need to get brake levers but wanted to sit on it and get a 
   feel for it).

A standard 114 link chain is too small, so no chain yet. And no cables run 
until I get the brake levers and permanently install the bar ends.





On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 4:40:40 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Austin, my Sage Green Sam. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine. 
> Wonderful bike! Have fun!
>
> Richard
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Austin_4841  > wrote:
>
>> Love the multiple iterations--they all look great and have given me new 
>> ideas on how to build one up.
>>
>> Awaiting the FedEx truck today to bring me my SH frameset I ordered from 
>> Riv--I will be building it up as a drop-bar roadie with Compass Bon Jon 
>> Pass tires to start. Still need to source brake levers though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:58:24 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back 
>>> - I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the 
>>> standard riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the 
>>> leather Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here 
>>> and there, and settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after 
>>> matching shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then 
>>> trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:
>>>
>>> https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> Silver Spring, MD
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B  wrote:
>>>
 I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!

 So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await 
 shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.

 Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm 
 sure it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but 
 wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their 
 Sage Sammy pics?

 cheers,
 Jack
 Portland, OR

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Re: [RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-16 Thread Jon Dukeman 
Mark,
Mine are Schwalbe little bens..700 38s.
Jon
On May 16, 2016 2:13 PM, "Marc40a" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> What size/brand are those knobby tires in the last few pictures in the
> series?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:58:24 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>
>> I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back -
>> I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the standard
>> riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the leather
>> Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here and
>> there, and settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after
>> matching shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then
>> trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:
>>
>> https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7
>>
>> -Jeff
>> Silver Spring, MD
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B  wrote:
>>
>>> I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!
>>>
>>> So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await
>>> shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.
>>>
>>> Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm sure
>>> it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but
>>> wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their
>>> Sage Sammy pics?
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Jack
>>> Portland, OR
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-16 Thread Austin_4841 
Love the multiple iterations--they all look great and have given me new 
ideas on how to build one up.

Awaiting the FedEx truck today to bring me my SH frameset I ordered from 
Riv--I will be building it up as a drop-bar roadie with Compass Bon Jon 
Pass tires to start. Still need to source brake levers though.



On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:58:24 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back - 
> I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the standard 
> riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the leather 
> Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here and 
> there, and settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after 
> matching shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then 
> trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B > wrote:
>
>> I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!
>>
>> So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await 
>> shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.
>>
>> Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm sure 
>> it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but 
>> wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their 
>> Sage Sammy pics?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Jack
>> Portland, OR
>>
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Re: [RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-16 Thread Marc40a 
Jeff,

What size/brand are those knobby tires in the last few pictures in the 
series?



On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:58:24 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back - 
> I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the standard 
> riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the leather 
> Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here and 
> there, and settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after 
> matching shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then 
> trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B > wrote:
>
>> I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!
>>
>> So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await 
>> shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.
>>
>> Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm sure 
>> it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but 
>> wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their 
>> Sage Sammy pics?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Jack
>> Portland, OR
>>
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Re: [RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-15 Thread Jeff Lesperance 
I bought a well-loved Sam from a fellow list member a couple years back -
I've kept it with 46cm noodles through a few changes - swapped the standard
riv-ish drivetrain for Shimano mountain kit, and switched out the leather
Brooks sadde for a Cambium, different fenders and tires here and there, and
settled on leather bar tape, first brown and now honey after matching
shellacked white cotton tape to cream longboard fenders and then
trying some green fizik tape. Some pictures of the iterations:

https://goo.gl/photos/5JgDZgMVkUiTbRLJ7

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Jack B  wrote:

> I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!
>
> So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await
> shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.
>
> Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm sure
> it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but
> wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their
> Sage Sammy pics?
>
> cheers,
> Jack
> Portland, OR
>
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[RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-15 Thread Joe Bernard 
Grant mentioned once that the sages didn't sell well, and I'm just as surprised 
as he was. I think they're gorgeous, with the interesting plus of working well 
with black components. That's unusual for Rivs.

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[RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

2016-05-15 Thread Jack B 
I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!

So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await 
shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.

Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm sure it 
would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but wondering 
what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their Sage Sammy 
pics?

cheers,
Jack
Portland, OR

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