[RBW] Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad

2011-07-27 Thread Leslie
Saluki.  Great name, I love the idea of 650B's... Sounds like a have-to...

Only thing I might caution... I fully understand wanting to go on these 
adventures with him, and wholly encourage the idea... But, I would suggest, 
thinking of the bike as a separate thing from the trips... Get him the bike, 
I'm sure you'll enjoy it, and he'll enjoy riding with you   But, he may 
want to take it easy on it, too He may not, he may charge right ahead, but, 
maybe not.   I just wouldn't want it to end up feeling like the purpose of the 
bike was unfulfilled as a gift if said trips didn't materialize...  The bike 
itself is a *wonderful* gift, and the trips with you would be a wonderful gift 
for him too; but, I would not want to see you sad if he'd rather stick to your 
already-established format, instead of the longer jaunts...   Does that make 
sense?  I don't know him, I could be entirely overcautious, but, it just 
reminded me of another similar situation, where someone else felt that a nice 
gift was 'wasted', because it wasn't utilized in the way he giver intended...  
It wasn't wasted, it was a great gift still, but, there was the letdown and 
hurt on the part of the giver.  That's my only caution.  FWIW...

I do love the idea of the Saluki for him, tho'

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[RBW] Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad

2011-07-27 Thread Amit Singh
So we could have cycling adventures, bicycle camping and explore the world 
together.

Found a brand-new Taiwanese Sam in his size, $1,000 for the frame and fork - 
was SO excited! 

Then a friend told me yesterday he would sell his Saluki -- complete, minus 
saddle, pedals and rear rack for $1000.  WOW.

This going to be a surprise / present for Dad.  They are almost the same 
size - height, arm length, leg length - but my friend has 15 pounds more 
muscle on his body, no problem.  My friend said he wouldn't mind letting us 
borrow it for a week, or even a month to see if dad likes it.

I feel badly because the Saluki is SUCH an amazing bike (especially on Grand 
Bois Hetre tires), and it's his only Riv, but this friend already has a few 
touring rigs and he says it creates redundancy.  My friend also has a 
Schwinn Voyager and a Carleton (sp?) and that this opens up the space to 
allow him his dream bike - a Miyata 1000, and a new Macbook Air  ... I'm not 
sure if I should take it or not -- it's like taking a person's highest 
prized possession - and at such a low price.  On the flip side, and the 
bicycle does stay in the "family".  It also saves me a boatload of cash that 
I shouldn't be spending in the first place.  He knows my dad, rides with me 
often and is a good friend.

As for Dad, he's been wanting to travel / explore for such a long time I 
think it would be perfect, but need to convince him to get out exploring 
with me.  He's got the Raleigh 3 speed, we did a 40 mile ride yesterday on a 
flat limestone rail-trail.  He's like a little kid, smiling the whole time. 
 He loves it.  But I am doing this for purely selfish reasons.  It's 
wonderful to ride with the new friends I've made -- most of them over 50 -- 
and love to be on the bike and are the most competent cyclists I know.  They 
know the roads and bikes and frequently show me new routes and tricks fun 
tricks with brakes and derailleurs.  They've taught me so much and I help 
them break their focused cycling meditation by keeping my eyes open to 
exciting things to look at. It slows us down - but relishing in the 
experience and the journey is so much better than sprinting to the 
destination.  I've broken them in large part out of the "packs" and 
"mentality" of group rides.  Sometimes going slower really gets you there 
faster :)

But I digress ... Im doing this for selfish reasons.  While I enjoy the 
company of my cycling friends, I'd love the company of my father.  When we 
were growing up he'd take us around the country to show us things.  He'd 
love the beautiful landscapes in Tennessee, Northern Michigan, Arizona and 
California best.  We can ride all of those, experience even more at a more 
reasonable pace; stopping when we want, in the elements, without a car and 
without traffic.

I am still unsure of how to sell Dad on the idea of adventure exploring with 
me, any suggestions?  Your advice would be helpful.  Dad is nearly 70 but 
looks like he's 55, maybe.  He's still not retired and prefers it that way. 
 He walks 5 miles a day, fast pace, and is thinking of upping it to 7.  He's 
also thinking of upping his fast pace to a run, he's in great shape and 
enjoys the 5:30 early traffic-free mornings.

I'd really like to take a weekend to do the entire a 300K route I didn't 
finish few weeks ago in the mountain foothills outside of Columbus, Ohio. 
 We could stop half-way in at a national forest to camp the night, pack up, 
and ride the rest of it the next day.  But then I'd also like to do a 2 week 
tour with him ... maybe an adventure cycling route would be appropriate.

BUT then again, maybe I'm going too fast -- I become impatient too quickly. 
 What should we do, where should we go, how do I set this up so it leads to 
a of successful cycling relationship for Dad and I?

Thanks for reading this and for your time.

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