Re: [RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-15 Thread Chad 
Thanks for the info.  Your results are similar to mine.  I mounted the G-Ones 
on Velocity Aeroheads (also 20mm external).  They measured out to a true 35mm 
(700x35 nominal) and I have about 5mm at the brake bridges and about 2mm at the 
stays.  I am mostly likely going to sale these if you are interested in trying 
them.  Maybe I'll put them on my RB-T.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-15 Thread Tim Gavin 
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Chad  wrote:

> Tim, how tight do those 38 Gravel Grinders fit?  I'm test fitting the new
> Schwalbe 700x35 G-Ones on my 53 Roadeo and they are just a little too tight
> at the chainstays for my comfort level.  Maybe 2mm on each side.
>
>
The Challenge Gravel Grinders are nominally 700 x 38.
Their actual measurement is 36 mm wide on Mavic Open Pro rims (20 mm
external).
The chainstay clearance is <2 mm with those tires, so a tire that actually
measures 38 mm may rub.
Brake arm clearance  is ~5 mm in front and rear under Tektro R539 calipers.

I was considering the 700 x 35 Schwalbe G-One or 700 x 32 Panaracer Gravel
King (slick tread) tires.  But, I found a barely used pair of 700 x 32
(knobby) Gravel Kings on eBay, so I'll roll on those.

I haven't test-ridden the Roadeo yet, with either tire.  The streets are
way too sloppy here for a non-fendered bike.
I did ride ~20 miles on my fat bike yesterday, in 2" of fresh powder.

Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-14 Thread Paul G 
I've used GB Cerf, GB Cypres EL, and Jack Brown Greens on my Roadeo, all on H 
Plus Son TB14 rims. I like them all for different reasons.

The 28mm Cerfs have the best handling feel on twisty descents and feel fast.

The 30mm Cypres EL are more squirrelly feeling to me on the same descents. They 
don't inspire as much confidence, but they roll extremely fast and are quite 
comfortable. If I increase pressure to gain handing precision, the ride 
deteriorates unacceptably (for me). Also, the sidewalls are not tough 
whatsoever so I have to keep that in mind. 

The JB Greens are my winter tire. They do feel slower for sure, but are super 
cushy and stable and I feel better about them in wet roads with debris, small 
rocks, etc.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-14 Thread Chad 
Tim, how tight do those 38 Gravel Grinders fit?  I'm test fitting the new 
Schwalbe 700x35 G-Ones on my 53 Roadeo and they are just a little too tight at 
the chainstays for my comfort level.  Maybe 2mm on each side.

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-06 Thread Rod Holland 
Try the ELs sometime... you've tasted the apples, time for the oranges.

rod

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-05 Thread Don Compton 
A lot of you guys are using fairly large tires. I have been happy with the 
28 Grand Bois for years. I tried Compass 32's ( not extra light ) and my 
bike felt sluggish.
Just a thought

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 10:51:22 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I received the 59 cm Roadeo frame from Dave N. yesterday.  It's gorgeous!  
> I had it shipped to my friends' bike shop  
> and they were all drooling over it.
>
>
> ​It's not my first Rivendell roadie (I also have a Rivendell Road 
> Standard, converted to a 650b tourer), but it's "my first Roadeo 
> " (warning, nasty language 
> in that video clip--from *Mommie Dearest*).
>
>   
> I'm equipping the Roadeo with a Sachs New Success 2x8 Ergopower gruppo I 
> had on my Giordana XL-Eco.  That frame rides sweet (definitely "planing") 
> and is very light, but it is a 57 (a little small for me) and only cleared 
> 700 x 26 tires (quite skinny for me).
>
> Preliminary build, awaiting proper BB, FD clamp, Brooks bar tape:
>
> It fits 700 x 38 tires (Challenge Gravel Grinders pictured) with about 3 
> mm clearance at the brake caliper.
>
>
> *A question on chainline:*  
> The crank sits too close on the 107 mm BB spindle.  The rings do clear the 
> chainstay (barely), but the chain line measures at 40-41 mm.  The standard 
> chainline for a road double is 43.5, according to St. Sheldon 
> .  
>
> If I replace the 107 mm BB with a 113 mm BB, that will move each side 
> outboard by 3 mm, correct?  I need 3 more mm to make the chainline correct.
>
> (I would use the BB from the Giordana, but it has an Italian threaded 
> shell).
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tim Gavin
> Cedar Rapids, IA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-05 Thread RJM 
I rode Pari Motos on my Sam Hillborne and found them to be great. They 
didn't last as long as something like the Fatty Rumpkin, but man they felt 
great. All that air volume and a supple tire is just wonderful. 

One of the reasons I love the Roadeo is because I can use wider tires if I 
want to without sacrificing a ton of performance...a good tire makes the 
Roadeo ride really great. 32-35's on many of the gravel roads around me is 
plenty and the Roadeo can handle that width fine. I just happen to be using 
the Roadeo for one specific reason because I have another bike. If the 
Roadeo was going to be my only bike for road, less than great road, and 
gravel road, I'd probably move up to a 32 or 35mm wide tire. 

I'm a huge believer in the wider rim and I'm glad that a lot of road 
specific rims are going wider and wider. The Pacenti rims I have make a 
32mm tire really quite wide and still able to take a pounding on gravel 
roads. Plus, I think the wider rim helps with cornering at speed, where the 
larger volume tire doesn't deform and get all weird feeling.

I would like to hear impressions on those Gravel Kings when you get to 
using them. 


>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-05 Thread Tim Gavin 
I don't do club riding, just solo or with friends.  And my Roadeo will
probably get picked occasionally for my commute (on dry days; the Roadeo
will remain my sole un-fendered bike).  So, I prefer a slightly wider
tire.  My dislike of being limited to 700 x 26 tires was a main reason for
replacing my Giordana with the Roadeo.

I'll report back on the ride of the Challenge Gravel Grinder 38s.  But,
those will probably return to their intended use (on my plastic
cross/gravel bike).

I think I'll try the Panaracer Gravel King 32 mm tires.  There seem to be
both slick

and knobby

versions in the 32 mm size; I think the slick version will better suit my
intended riding for the Roadeo.

I've been very impressed with the ride (and value) of the Panaracer
Pari-Motos, so I'm hoping the Gravel Kings have a similar ride (fast but
comfortable).

Tim

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:17 PM, RJM  wrote:

> Yeah, It will work but it just isn't ideal and 25's are easier to air up
> with a single CO2 cannister. It's worked for me on this bike so far...for
> the riding I'm doing on it. If I were doing more solo riding by myself with
> that bike I would have stuck with the Stampede Pass tires. As it is, I am
> riding an Atlantis (used to be on a Sam Hillborne, but sold it) most times
> when I ride solo.
>
> On Friday, February 5, 2016 at 7:17:39 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> That puts you in a rare club, abandoning Compass 32s for Continental 25s!
>> FWIW, with a total difference of 7mm, pretty much any 700C tube will get
>> you home no problem.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>>
>>> Last year I went from the 32mm  Compass Stampede to 25mm Continental
>>> Grand Prix 4000S on rims that are 22mm wide. It's a relatively fast tire
>>> that is still comfortable and allows me to ride the same size tube as my
>>> riding buddies.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-05 Thread RJM 
Yeah, It will work but it just isn't ideal and 25's are easier to air up 
with a single CO2 cannister. It's worked for me on this bike so far...for 
the riding I'm doing on it. If I were doing more solo riding by myself with 
that bike I would have stuck with the Stampede Pass tires. As it is, I am 
riding an Atlantis (used to be on a Sam Hillborne, but sold it) most times 
when I ride solo. 

On Friday, February 5, 2016 at 7:17:39 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> That puts you in a rare club, abandoning Compass 32s for Continental 25s! 
> FWIW, with a total difference of 7mm, pretty much any 700C tube will get 
> you home no problem.
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Last year I went from the 32mm  Compass Stampede to 25mm Continental 
>> Grand Prix 4000S on rims that are 22mm wide. It's a relatively fast tire 
>> that is still comfortable and allows me to ride the same size tube as my 
>> riding buddies. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-05 Thread Jim Bronson 
I went on a 200K last month and unfortunately found out all the tubes I had
taken with me that were new in the box were bad - the seams were not
sealed.  I run 650Bx38.  Desperate to get down the road, someone loaned me
a 700c tube.  It's still in there several hundred miles later.  Definitely
not ideal, but just underling the point about putting a 700C tube for racy
tires into a 32mm Stampede Pass should work just fine, if it's working with
what I have.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:17 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
[email protected]> wrote:

> That puts you in a rare club, abandoning Compass 32s for Continental 25s!
> FWIW, with a total difference of 7mm, pretty much any 700C tube will get
> you home no problem.
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Last year I went from the 32mm  Compass Stampede to 25mm Continental
>> Grand Prix 4000S on rims that are 22mm wide. It's a relatively fast tire
>> that is still comfortable and allows me to ride the same size tube as my
>> riding buddies.
>>
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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-05 Thread Chad 

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 8:02:46 PM UTC-6, RJM wrote:
>
> I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack Brown. 
> It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might say more 
> comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for the way I 
> ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a fast road 
> bike for me.

 
Were you riding the Jack Brown greens?  I had the Compass Stampede Pass 
EL's on briefly on my RB-T, but didn't really have a chance to try them out 
as I quickly swapped them for the bigger Barlow Passes when I found out 
they would fit.  IFRC, the Stampede Pass tires only measured out to only 
about 30mm on the Mavic MA-2 rims.  They seemed noticeably skinnier than 
the Jack Browns.  I would think the Jack Brown greens and Compass standard 
casing tires would be pretty comparable.  I run the Baby Shoe Pass EL's on 
my Hillborne and love the ride.  My new Roadeo has Roly-Poly's (28.5 with 
my calipers on Velocity Aerohead) and I want to fit a wider 32-35 tire to 
handle an occassional gravel road.  I am curious as to how the new Compass 
Bon Jon Passes would work on the Rodeo.

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-05 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
That puts you in a rare club, abandoning Compass 32s for Continental 25s! 
FWIW, with a total difference of 7mm, pretty much any 700C tube will get 
you home no problem.

On Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> Last year I went from the 32mm  Compass Stampede to 25mm Continental Grand 
> Prix 4000S on rims that are 22mm wide. It's a relatively fast tire that is 
> still comfortable and allows me to ride the same size tube as my riding 
> buddies. 
>

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-04 Thread RJM 
Last year I went from the 32mm  Compass Stampede to 25mm Continental Grand 
Prix 4000S on rims that are 22mm wide. It's a relatively fast tire that is 
still comfortable and allows me to ride the same size tube as my riding 
buddies. This past year I really rode the Roadeo as a kitted up club rider, 
so not the average Riv rider with that bike and sharing some of the same 
equipment has been helpful in the past. The bike holds it's own set up like 
this on fast club rides provided I haven't let my fitness go. 

This year I got a new set of wheels which are 24.5 mm wide (outside 
dimension) at the rim with a 20.3 beat seat width and I will be running 
tubeless just to try it out. I haven't decided on a tire but I'm thinking 
about the Schwalbe Pro One. 

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 9:07:06 PM UTC-6, Don Compton wrote:

> What size are you using? As a current Roadeo owner who rides 95% on paved 
> roads, 700x28's are my favorite. I have been using Grand Bios Cerfs for 
> many years. I tried the new Compass 32's but they felt sluggish to me. I 
> guess tires are really a personal choice. For me the Grand Bois and Compass 
> tires are definitely a step above the Jack Browns.
> On another note, I hope that Tim will enjoy his Roadeo as much as I have. 
> I have had a ton of bikes over the years, and have sold most of them 
> because I just feel good riding my Roadeo, no matter the road surface or 
> terrain.
> Enjoy
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
>>
>> I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack 
>> Brown. It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might 
>> say more comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for 
>> the way I ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a 
>> fast road bike for me.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-03 Thread Toshi Takeuchi 
I ride my Roadeo with Grand Bois Cypres tires.  I have ridden that on
several miles of fire roads, so it handles fine on dirt too.  I have also
used Schwalbe Kojaks on the bike and they ride nicely too (although the
Grand Bois is more cushy).

Enjoy your bike!!

Toshi


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> What size are you using? As a current Roadeo owner who rides 95% on paved
> roads, 700x28's are my favorite. I have been using Grand Bios Cerfs for
> many years. I tried the new Compass 32's but they felt sluggish to me. I
> guess tires are really a personal choice. For me the Grand Bois and Compass
> tires are definitely a step above the Jack Browns.
> On another note, I hope that Tim will enjoy his Roadeo as much as I have.
> I have had a ton of bikes over the years, and have sold most of them
> because I just feel good riding my Roadeo, no matter the road surface or
> terrain.
> Enjoy
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
>>
>> I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack
>> Brown. It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might
>> say more comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for
>> the way I ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a
>> fast road bike for me.
>
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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-03 Thread Don Compton 
What size are you using? As a current Roadeo owner who rides 95% on paved 
roads, 700x28's are my favorite. I have been using Grand Bios Cerfs for 
many years. I tried the new Compass 32's but they felt sluggish to me. I 
guess tires are really a personal choice. For me the Grand Bois and Compass 
tires are definitely a step above the Jack Browns.
On another note, I hope that Tim will enjoy his Roadeo as much as I have. I 
have had a ton of bikes over the years, and have sold most of them because 
I just feel good riding my Roadeo, no matter the road surface or terrain.
Enjoy

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
>
> I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack Brown. 
> It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might say more 
> comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for the way I 
> ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a fast road 
> bike for me.

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-03 Thread reynoldslugs 
p.s., that is a great looking Roadeo.  I have one with a similar paint job:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625377490164

they are just terrific bikes.

Max

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-03 Thread reynoldslugs 
A kinder, gentler roadeo alternative to Joan Crawford -  for those that 
love their damned old Roadeos.
 

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0anqjYUD0D0
>

you can ride 'em down the toughest road you know.

(for the record, I'm gonna be able to use that Mommie Dearest clip..._

Rodeo Max
Santa Rosa
 

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-03 Thread RJM 
That sounds like it will worknice Roadeo. 

>
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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

2016-02-03 Thread Nick Ybarra 
Short answer to your question: yup!  

Also, looks great.  Congrats on the new bike!

I used to have a Giordana XL-Super.  Rode great, loved that bike, 
definitely regret selling it.

Nick in ATX

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:51:22 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I received the 59 cm Roadeo frame from Dave N. yesterday.  It's gorgeous!  
> I had it shipped to my friends' bike shop  
> and they were all drooling over it.
>
>
> ​It's not my first Rivendell roadie (I also have a Rivendell Road 
> Standard, converted to a 650b tourer), but it's "my first Roadeo 
> " (warning, nasty language 
> in that video clip--from *Mommie Dearest*).
>
>   
> I'm equipping the Roadeo with a Sachs New Success 2x8 Ergopower gruppo I 
> had on my Giordana XL-Eco.  That frame rides sweet (definitely "planing") 
> and is very light, but it is a 57 (a little small for me) and only cleared 
> 700 x 26 tires (quite skinny for me).
>
> Preliminary build, awaiting proper BB, FD clamp, Brooks bar tape:
>
> It fits 700 x 38 tires (Challenge Gravel Grinders pictured) with about 3 
> mm clearance at the brake caliper.
>
>
> *A question on chainline:*  
> The crank sits too close on the 107 mm BB spindle.  The rings do clear the 
> chainstay (barely), but the chain line measures at 40-41 mm.  The standard 
> chainline for a road double is 43.5, according to St. Sheldon 
> .  
>
> If I replace the 107 mm BB with a 113 mm BB, that will move each side 
> outboard by 3 mm, correct?  I need 3 more mm to make the chainline correct.
>
> (I would use the BB from the Giordana, but it has an Italian threaded 
> shell).
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tim Gavin
> Cedar Rapids, IA
>

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