[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
On Oct 31, 6:46 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > Don't SSers usually have their own grouping? So even if they're in the seam > heat as Cat 3 or whatever, they're just competing against themselves? yes. and that's kind of my point. some events have a dedicated ss category because it's not really a fair fight otherwise. and, again, there's nothing wrong with "competing against themselves." to certain extent, that's what the majority of folks out there are doing anyway. i totally dig it when I see a ss'er working like mad - even if he/she is getting lapped. that rocks, and i'll gladly let them know that when I see him/her. i'm simply saying that for any given course - or to give a little more definition, a UCI level race - no Cat 1-3 racer is going to seriously consider riding a single speed if they want to be competitive in their field. this isn't controversial. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Alius, alia, aliud, nominative singular, respectively masculine, feminine, neuter; alii, aliae, alia, nom plural masculine, fem, neuter respectivel. Abbreviated "al." On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Mojo wrote: > "et alii" > your effing funny Patrick! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
"et alii" your effing funny Patrick! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Just watched. Very impressive, for the speed, the handling -- and, for me, how they managed that deep sand with such skinny tires: I know sand, and their performance in that spot is amazing. Tangent: Bicycle racing has a history of bad cinematography; you certainly see it in old movies of Coppi and Bartali et alii, and you see it here: the lame, would-be-dramatic slo mo, the -- a modern vice -- frenetic cutting back and forth so that you can't focus long enough to see the effing technique; the -- always, a constant - effing bad music. Oh well. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Nov 1, 10:31 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > >>Thanks for the details. Interesting > > here's what top level racing looks like - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9WMOA7dbH0 > > it's incredible how these riders attack these courses on what are > essentially road bikes with tubular tires no bigger than 33mm. > > our U.S. riders are steadily becoming more competitive at the > international level - hopefully, we'll have a few near the front in > 2013 when Louisville, KY hosts the world championships. > > CX is a growing sport - it's fun for all levels of riders and it's fun > to watch too. If there's a local race in anyone's neighborhood, go > check it out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Thanks, Patrick; have marked both this and t'others to watch at home via Comcast instead of here via weak wireless. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Nov 1, 10:31 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > >>Thanks for the details. Interesting > > here's what top level racing looks like - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9WMOA7dbH0 > > it's incredible how these riders attack these courses on what are > essentially road bikes with tubular tires no bigger than 33mm. > > our U.S. riders are steadily becoming more competitive at the > international level - hopefully, we'll have a few near the front in > 2013 when Louisville, KY hosts the world championships. > > CX is a growing sport - it's fun for all levels of riders and it's fun > to watch too. If there's a local race in anyone's neighborhood, go > check it out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
On Nov 1, 10:31 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >Thanks for the details. Interesting here's what top level racing looks like - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9WMOA7dbH0 it's incredible how these riders attack these courses on what are essentially road bikes with tubular tires no bigger than 33mm. our U.S. riders are steadily becoming more competitive at the international level - hopefully, we'll have a few near the front in 2013 when Louisville, KY hosts the world championships. CX is a growing sport - it's fun for all levels of riders and it's fun to watch too. If there's a local race in anyone's neighborhood, go check it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Thanks for the details. Interesting; much like other discussions I've had about pros and cat 1s on steel bikes for pavement racing -- the consensus is that even a few lbs can make you lose and that steel, for that reason, is not competitive at the *highest* levels of road racing. (Lugs are certain to make you lose.) (Jst kidding about that last one.) On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Nov 1, 3:38 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > >>IOW would a cat 1 on a ss possibly competitive against his own category >> peers on multispeeds? > > No, not in a UCI level event. Again, it's just too fast. not sure > why this controversial. these folks ride through mud, sand, obstacles > faster than most people can ride on pavement - and at the highest > levels, the combination of pure speed and skills turns any > disadvantage - like having only one gear - into huge time deficits in > an hour long race. > >>Or are all the ss-ers of lower caliber? > > No. Not at all. It's just that multispeeds are simply faster. The > fastest sscx'er I know of is Marko LaLonde. he won the SS > championship, but finished 51st in the pro field with riders on geared > bikes. he now rides a geared bike in order to compete in that field. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
On Nov 1, 3:38 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >IOW would a cat 1 on a ss possibly competitive against his own category > peers on multispeeds? No, not in a UCI level event. Again, it's just too fast. not sure why this controversial. these folks ride through mud, sand, obstacles faster than most people can ride on pavement - and at the highest levels, the combination of pure speed and skills turns any disadvantage - like having only one gear - into huge time deficits in an hour long race. >Or are all the ss-ers of lower caliber? No. Not at all. It's just that multispeeds are simply faster. The fastest sscx'er I know of is Marko LaLonde. he won the SS championship, but finished 51st in the pro field with riders on geared bikes. he now rides a geared bike in order to compete in that field. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Are the ss-ers of the same abilities as the Cats in question? IOW, would a cat 1 on a ss possibly competitive against his own category peers on multispeeds? Or are all the ss-ers of lower caliber? I know Bruce Boyson of the boblist, an avid and very experienced offroader, is usually at the front on his rigid 29er ss's with his multispeed, suspended peers, tho' that may not prove anything wrt cyclocross at high levels -- only mean to point out that, in some circs, ss can be very competitive. Ignore if not relevant. On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Oct 31, 12:20 pm, Beth H wrote: >> >> Indeed. Last weekend at PIR, I suffered on the mostly flat course with >> long straight stretches. >> Anywhere there was a short, steep climb I found I was able to stand up >> and pass several women along the way. An amazing experience, and one >> that pretty much cements my decision to race strictly singlespeed for >> the duration. > > maybe you're just a stronger climber. again, not saying one can't do > well on an ss - but, in my neck of the woods, there are no ss'ers > competitive at the Cat 3 level. and by competitive - i'll be generous > and say top 25 in a field of 50+. and there are no ss'ers competitive > in the elite/1/2 - doing well in that cat on an ss would be not > getting lapped . .. and I don't consider that competitve. fun, > perhaps - but not competitive. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
I haven't used it yet, but can tell it's a pretty good way to carry h20 around. Lies flat, compresses to nothing when empty. Hopefully well made. Thanks for the suggestion! On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 8:52 PM, rperks wrote: > It may have been me, I have a big and a small one that I use for my > longer rides. They fit into the bags better than extra bottles on > their sides. I was carrying water in sig bottles, then switched to an > old hydration pack that I used to refill bottles, which gave way to > the platipus bags. Where I tend to ride there never seems to be water > where I need it, so I carry a few liters of my own if I am going to be > out more than a few hours. Just make sure you rinse and dry them well > other than that it is jusgt a nice way to carry water. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
It may have been me, I have a big and a small one that I use for my longer rides. They fit into the bags better than extra bottles on their sides. I was carrying water in sig bottles, then switched to an old hydration pack that I used to refill bottles, which gave way to the platipus bags. Where I tend to ride there never seems to be water where I need it, so I carry a few liters of my own if I am going to be out more than a few hours. Just make sure you rinse and dry them well other than that it is jusgt a nice way to carry water. Rob - http://oceanaircycles.com/ On Oct 30, 6:48 pm, Michael_S wrote: > I think Rob mentioned the Platypus bottles. I have owned a few of them > and use them backpacking every trip for around camp and longer > waterless sections. I'll bring a 1L one for the ride in two weeks. > > I am going to ride the new-to-me Ram. Gotta pick up some fatter > tires.. thinking about a 35 or 37mm Pasela. Has anyone tried to fit > one a 37 on a Ram? > > ~Mike~ > > On Oct 30, 4:42 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > > > > And I only have to bottle holders. I ride an inferior bike. > > > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, doug peterson wrote: > > > The Platypus looks interesting, and that's like 1-1/2 big bottles. > > > That 3rd bottle gets kinda grungy at times. Extra water can be handy > > > for washing out scrapes too. > > > > dougP > > > > On Oct 29, 9:10 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > > > I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else > > > (Mike?) > > > > said these work pretty good in a saddle bag: > > >http://www.rei.com/product/797977 > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson > > > wrote: > > > > > There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing > > > > > the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of > > > > > course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may > > > > > have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know > > > > > what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits > > > > > (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. > > > > > > David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run > > > > > out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, > > > > > not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all > > > > > downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the > > > > > start. > > > > > > dougP > > > > > > On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > > > > > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots > > > of > > > > > > water. > > > > > > > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether > > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to > > > guess > > > > > > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind > > > of > > > > > road > > > > > > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > > > > > > > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the > > > > > fact, > > > > > > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs > > > were. > > > > > > Pretty cool guy! > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Patrick: > > > > > > > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > > > > > > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado > > > Cyn > > > > > > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, > > > warm- > > > > > > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > > > > > > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > available. > > > > > > > > dougP > > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > > > > > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > > > > > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a > > > single > > > > > > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > > > > > > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and > > > mud > > > > > > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > > > > > > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the > > > video > > > > > > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). > > > Even a > > > > > > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in > > > a > > > > > 63" > > > > > > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge > > > amounts > > > > > of > > > > > > > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > >
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
On Oct 31, 6:46 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > Don't SSers usually have their own grouping? So even if they're in the seam > heat as Cat 3 or whatever, they're just competing against themselves? sometimes, yes. and that's kind of my point. some events offer a dedicated ss category because it's not a fair fight otherwise. if there is no dedicated ss category, and a Cat 1-3 racer has to compete in his/her appropriate class with geared riders, then "competing against themselves" is a good way of putting it. and to some extent, that what most folks are doing out there anyway. i love it when i see an ss'er working like mad, even when he/she is getting lapped - it rocks. and I let him or her know that it rocks when i get the chance. i'm simply saying that for any given race, regardless of the course and course conditions - and to add some definition, let's say a UCI event - no rider, especially in the elite field, is going to choose a ss if he or she wants to be competitive. it's just too fast at that level. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Back in the day...when I lived and raced Cyclo-cross in So Cal (on a Rivendell), Mark Salmon, the owner of TCB cyclery in Fullerton CA (now closed) showed up to a cyclo-cross on a single speed, pronouncing it to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. I was a regular at his shop. During his race I was furiously ringing cow bells in the middle of a climb...as he passed by he huffed "Dude...don't every f*&$in do this!"...we never saw the single speed cross bike again. Angus On Oct 31, 5:46 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > Don't SSers usually have their own grouping? So even if they're in the seam > heat as Cat 3 or whatever, they're just competing against themselves? > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Patrick in VT wrote: > > > > > On Oct 31, 12:20 pm, Beth H wrote: > > > > Indeed. Last weekend at PIR, I suffered on the mostly flat course with > > > long straight stretches. > > > Anywhere there was a short, steep climb I found I was able to stand up > > > and pass several women along the way. An amazing experience, and one > > > that pretty much cements my decision to race strictly singlespeed for > > > the duration. > > > maybe you're just a stronger climber. again, not saying one can't do > > well on an ss - but, in my neck of the woods, there are no ss'ers > > competitive at the Cat 3 level. and by competitive - i'll be generous > > and say top 25 in a field of 50+. and there are no ss'ers competitive > > in the elite/1/2 - doing well in that cat on an ss would be not > > getting lapped . .. and I don't consider that competitve. fun, > > perhaps - but not competitive. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > probably benefit more from > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Don't SSers usually have their own grouping? So even if they're in the seam heat as Cat 3 or whatever, they're just competing against themselves? On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Oct 31, 12:20 pm, Beth H wrote: > > > > Indeed. Last weekend at PIR, I suffered on the mostly flat course with > > long straight stretches. > > Anywhere there was a short, steep climb I found I was able to stand up > > and pass several women along the way. An amazing experience, and one > > that pretty much cements my decision to race strictly singlespeed for > > the duration. > > maybe you're just a stronger climber. again, not saying one can't do > well on an ss - but, in my neck of the woods, there are no ss'ers > competitive at the Cat 3 level. and by competitive - i'll be generous > and say top 25 in a field of 50+. and there are no ss'ers competitive > in the elite/1/2 - doing well in that cat on an ss would be not > getting lapped . .. and I don't consider that competitve. fun, > perhaps - but not competitive. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
On Oct 31, 12:20 pm, Beth H wrote: > > Indeed. Last weekend at PIR, I suffered on the mostly flat course with > long straight stretches. > Anywhere there was a short, steep climb I found I was able to stand up > and pass several women along the way. An amazing experience, and one > that pretty much cements my decision to race strictly singlespeed for > the duration. maybe you're just a stronger climber. again, not saying one can't do well on an ss - but, in my neck of the woods, there are no ss'ers competitive at the Cat 3 level. and by competitive - i'll be generous and say top 25 in a field of 50+. and there are no ss'ers competitive in the elite/1/2 - doing well in that cat on an ss would be not getting lapped . .. and I don't consider that competitve. fun, perhaps - but not competitive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Cyclofiend Jim wrote: > Depends a bit on the course. Long, steady descents or extended flat > straight bits tend to favor a multi-geared. But, if you generally have a > climbing course with sharp descents (where no one will be pedaling down) and > lots of technical bits, then the ss folk can do pretty well. Mix in a bit > of muck and weather and you are probably better off with a simple > drivetrain. Indeed. Last weekend at PIR, I suffered on the mostly flat course with long straight stretches. Anywhere there was a short, steep climb I found I was able to stand up and pass several women along the way. An amazing experience, and one that pretty much cements my decision to race strictly singlespeed for the duration. beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
on 10/29/10 12:17 PM, Patrick in VT at [email protected] wrote: > On Oct 29, 2:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> Second observation: gearing: this sort of course seems like a good >> candidate for a ss: say 60" to 65"; I used to use 63" for allrounder >> dirt-cum-pavement. I don't see anyone twiddling and a sub 65" gear is >> low enough to get you through surprisingly deep muck (I used it on >> sand here in dry ABQ) yet high enough that you don't spin your eyes >> out on the rare flat-'n'-smooths. >> >> What do y'all think? > > for the die-hard cx ss'ers, any course is a good candidate for a > single gear! 2:1 is a good starting point - I see lots of 39x18 or > 34x17 out there (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), and that seems > reasonable for most New England courses I race. CX is hard. SSCX is > really hard - those who do it tend to rock. Depends a bit on the course. Long, steady descents or extended flat straight bits tend to favor a multi-geared. But, if you generally have a climbing course with sharp descents (where no one will be pedaling down) and lots of technical bits, then the ss folk can do pretty well. Mix in a bit of muck and weather and you are probably better off with a simple drivetrain. Back in '99, I had the distinct pleasure of watching Travis Brown ride to a ninth place finish in the elites race - while running a single speed setup. http://www.cyclofiend.com/CX99Mens.html - Jim -- Jim Edgar [email protected] Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
I think Rob mentioned the Platypus bottles. I have owned a few of them and use them backpacking every trip for around camp and longer waterless sections. I'll bring a 1L one for the ride in two weeks. I am going to ride the new-to-me Ram. Gotta pick up some fatter tires.. thinking about a 35 or 37mm Pasela. Has anyone tried to fit one a 37 on a Ram? ~Mike~ On Oct 30, 4:42 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > And I only have to bottle holders. I ride an inferior bike. > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, doug peterson wrote: > > The Platypus looks interesting, and that's like 1-1/2 big bottles. > > That 3rd bottle gets kinda grungy at times. Extra water can be handy > > for washing out scrapes too. > > > dougP > > > On Oct 29, 9:10 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > > I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else > > (Mike?) > > > said these work pretty good in a saddle bag: > >http://www.rei.com/product/797977 > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson > > wrote: > > > > There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing > > > > the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of > > > > course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may > > > > have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know > > > > what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits > > > > (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. > > > > > David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run > > > > out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, > > > > not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all > > > > downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the > > > > start. > > > > > dougP > > > > > On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > > > > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots > > of > > > > > water. > > > > > > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether > > they > > > > were > > > > > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to > > guess > > > > > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind > > of > > > > road > > > > > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film > > at > > > > the > > > > > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > > > > > > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the > > > > fact, > > > > > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs > > were. > > > > > Pretty cool guy! > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Patrick: > > > > > > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > > > > > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado > > Cyn > > > > > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, > > warm- > > > > > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > > > > > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are > > > > > > available. > > > > > > > dougP > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT > > wrote: > > > > > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > > > > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > > > > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a > > single > > > > > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > > > > > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and > > mud > > > > > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > > > > > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the > > video > > > > > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). > > Even a > > > > > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in > > a > > > > 63" > > > > > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge > > amounts > > > > of > > > > > > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > > > > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except > > that > > > > > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > > > > > > > ( > > > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. > > > > > > .) > > > > > > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: > > > > > >http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups > > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > > > . > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > For more options,
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
And I only have to bottle holders. I ride an inferior bike. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, doug peterson wrote: > The Platypus looks interesting, and that's like 1-1/2 big bottles. > That 3rd bottle gets kinda grungy at times. Extra water can be handy > for washing out scrapes too. > > dougP > > On Oct 29, 9:10 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else > (Mike?) > > said these work pretty good in a saddle bag: > http://www.rei.com/product/797977 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson > wrote: > > > There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing > > > the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of > > > course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may > > > have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know > > > what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits > > > (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. > > > > > David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run > > > out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, > > > not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all > > > downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the > > > start. > > > > > dougP > > > > > On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > > > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots > of > > > > water. > > > > > > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether > they > > > were > > > > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to > guess > > > > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind > of > > > road > > > > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film > at > > > the > > > > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > > > > > > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the > > > fact, > > > > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs > were. > > > > Pretty cool guy! > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson > > > wrote: > > > > > Patrick: > > > > > > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > > > > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado > Cyn > > > > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, > warm- > > > > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > > > > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are > > > > > available. > > > > > > > dougP > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT > wrote: > > > > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > > > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > > > > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a > single > > > > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > > > > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and > mud > > > > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > > > > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the > video > > > > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). > Even a > > > > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in > a > > > 63" > > > > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge > amounts > > > of > > > > > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > > > > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except > that > > > > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > > > > > > > ( > > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. > > > > > .) > > > > > > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: > > > > >http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected] > > > . > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > Cheers, > > > > David > > > > Redlands, CA > > > > > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > > > > probably benefit more from > > > > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send emai
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
On Oct 29, 10:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. Overall. there's just no way a ss'er can keep up with fast guys and gals on geared bikes. it doesn't really matter if there are few fast flats - CX involves lots of short sprints/accelerations out of tight turns, steep punchy hills and other rideable obstacles where having a range of gears is a real advantage. ss'ers simply can't accelerate as quickly enough out of turns, especially with a big gear, and they can't ride some features on a course, which costs time on every lap. it doesn't take long to get dropped in cyclocross. here are some more modern cross videos, if you're interested in what typical cx courses look like - first link is New England races, second link is to videos from the portland cross crusade series. http://vimeo.com/user662800/videos http://vimeo.com/16259685 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
The Platypus looks interesting, and that's like 1-1/2 big bottles. That 3rd bottle gets kinda grungy at times. Extra water can be handy for washing out scrapes too. dougP On Oct 29, 9:10 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else (Mike?) > said these work pretty good in a saddle bag:http://www.rei.com/product/797977 > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson wrote: > > There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing > > the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of > > course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may > > have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know > > what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits > > (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. > > > David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run > > out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, > > not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all > > downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the > > start. > > > dougP > > > On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of > > > water. > > > > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they > > were > > > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to guess > > > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of > > road > > > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film at > > the > > > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > > > > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the > > fact, > > > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs were. > > > Pretty cool guy! > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson > > wrote: > > > > Patrick: > > > > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > > > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn > > > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, warm- > > > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > > > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are > > > > available. > > > > > dougP > > > > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > > > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single > > > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > > > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud > > > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > > > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video > > > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a > > > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a > > 63" > > > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts > > of > > > > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that > > > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > > > > > ( > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. > > > > .) > > > > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: > > > >http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > . > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > David > > > Redlands, CA > > > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > > > probably benefit more from > > > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- > > Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > probably benefit more from > improv
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
I got the 2L container, as I can put 1L in the 2L, but can't easily put 2L in the 1L. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:35 AM, EricP wrote: > Well, on that easy ride we did last year around San Diego, ended up > severely dehydrated. Drank two large bottles on the ride and that > still wasn't enough. Derrick had to give me one of his bottles to > finish the ride. (That was after the second stop to repair a flat.) > > So, yeah, too much is probably better than the alternative. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Oct 30, 12:21 am, cyclotourist wrote: > > Yeah, this is probably overkill, but it can't hurt to have! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:35 PM, PATRICK MOORE > wrote: > > > Since my gofast has, alas, provision for only one bottle cage (and I > > > don't want to use a strap one one), I simply use a discarded PET soda > > > or paid-for-water bottle in my saddlebag or jersey pocket -- won't > > > leak, convenient shape and sizes, and you can discard (properly) when > > > you are done. When it is 100F and 5% humidity, I can drink a lot even > > > in 20 miles. > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:10 PM, cyclotourist > > > > wrote: > > > > I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else > > > (Mike?) > > > > said these work pretty good in a saddle bag: > > > >http://www.rei.com/product/797977 > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson > > > wrote: > > > > > >> There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was > pushing > > > >> the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. > Of > > > >> course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it > may > > > >> have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know > > > >> what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits > > > >> (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. > > > > > >> David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never > run > > > >> out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange > County, > > > >> not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's > all > > > >> downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the > > > >> start. > > > > > >> dougP > > > > > >> On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > > >> > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need > lots > > > of > > > >> > water. > > > > > >> > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether > they > > > >> > were > > > >> > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try > to > > > >> > guess > > > >> > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what > kind of > > > >> > road > > > >> > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the > film > > > at > > > >> > the > > > >> > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > > > > > >> > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after > the > > > >> > fact, > > > >> > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day > jobs > > > >> > were. > > > >> > Pretty cool guy! > > > > > >> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson > > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > Patrick: > > > > > >> > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > > > >> > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in > Silverado > > > Cyn > > > >> > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No > stoves, > > > >> > > warm- > > > >> > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take > a > > > >> > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids > are > > > >> > > available. > > > > > >> > > dougP > > > > > >> > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > >> > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT > wrote: > > > >> > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > > >> > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > > > >> > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a > > > single > > > >> > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in > the > > > >> > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and > mud > > > >> > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of > an > > > >> > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the > > > video > > > >> > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). > Even > > > a > > > >> > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm > in a > > > >> > > > 63" > > > >> > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge > > > amounts > > > >> > > > of > > > >> > > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > > > >> > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except > that > > > >> > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > > > > >> > > > ( > > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Well, on that easy ride we did last year around San Diego, ended up severely dehydrated. Drank two large bottles on the ride and that still wasn't enough. Derrick had to give me one of his bottles to finish the ride. (That was after the second stop to repair a flat.) So, yeah, too much is probably better than the alternative. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 30, 12:21 am, cyclotourist wrote: > Yeah, this is probably overkill, but it can't hurt to have! > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:35 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > Since my gofast has, alas, provision for only one bottle cage (and I > > don't want to use a strap one one), I simply use a discarded PET soda > > or paid-for-water bottle in my saddlebag or jersey pocket -- won't > > leak, convenient shape and sizes, and you can discard (properly) when > > you are done. When it is 100F and 5% humidity, I can drink a lot even > > in 20 miles. > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:10 PM, cyclotourist > > wrote: > > > I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else > > (Mike?) > > > said these work pretty good in a saddle bag: > > >http://www.rei.com/product/797977 > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson > > wrote: > > > >> There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing > > >> the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of > > >> course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may > > >> have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know > > >> what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits > > >> (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. > > > >> David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run > > >> out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, > > >> not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all > > >> downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the > > >> start. > > > >> dougP > > > >> On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > >> > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots > > of > > >> > water. > > > >> > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they > > >> > were > > >> > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to > > >> > guess > > >> > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of > > >> > road > > >> > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film > > at > > >> > the > > >> > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > > > >> > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the > > >> > fact, > > >> > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs > > >> > were. > > >> > Pretty cool guy! > > > >> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > Patrick: > > > >> > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > > >> > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado > > Cyn > > >> > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, > > >> > > warm- > > >> > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > > >> > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are > > >> > > available. > > > >> > > dougP > > > >> > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > >> > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > > >> > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > >> > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > >> > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a > > single > > >> > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > > >> > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud > > >> > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > > >> > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the > > video > > >> > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even > > a > > >> > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a > > >> > > > 63" > > >> > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge > > amounts > > >> > > > of > > >> > > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > >> > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that > > >> > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > > >> > > > ( > >http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. > > >> > > .) > > > >> > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: > > >> > >http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) > > > >> > > -- > > >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> > > Groups > > >> > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > >> > > To post to this group, send email to > > >> > > [email protected]. > > >> > > To
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Yeah, this is probably overkill, but it can't hurt to have! On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:35 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Since my gofast has, alas, provision for only one bottle cage (and I > don't want to use a strap one one), I simply use a discarded PET soda > or paid-for-water bottle in my saddlebag or jersey pocket -- won't > leak, convenient shape and sizes, and you can discard (properly) when > you are done. When it is 100F and 5% humidity, I can drink a lot even > in 20 miles. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:10 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: > > I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else > (Mike?) > > said these work pretty good in a saddle bag: > > http://www.rei.com/product/797977 > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson > wrote: > >> > >> There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing > >> the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of > >> course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may > >> have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know > >> what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits > >> (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. > >> > >> David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run > >> out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, > >> not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all > >> downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the > >> start. > >> > >> dougP > >> > >> On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > >> > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots > of > >> > water. > >> > > >> > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they > >> > were > >> > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to > >> > guess > >> > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of > >> > road > >> > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film > at > >> > the > >> > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > >> > > >> > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the > >> > fact, > >> > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs > >> > were. > >> > Pretty cool guy! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson > >> > wrote: > >> > > Patrick: > >> > > >> > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > >> > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado > Cyn > >> > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, > >> > > warm- > >> > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > >> > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are > >> > > available. > >> > > >> > > dougP > >> > > >> > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > >> > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > >> > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > >> > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > >> > > >> > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a > single > >> > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > >> > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud > >> > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > >> > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the > video > >> > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even > a > >> > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a > >> > > > 63" > >> > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge > amounts > >> > > > of > >> > > > time over this on such a short flat? > >> > > >> > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that > >> > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > ( > http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. > >> > > .) > >> > > >> > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: > >> > >http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) > >> > > >> > > -- > >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > > Groups > >> > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > > To post to this group, send email to > >> > > [email protected]. > >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > > > >> > > [email protected] > > >> > > . > >> > > For more options, visit this group at > >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Cheers, > >> > David > >> > Redlands, CA > >> > > >> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > >> > probably benefit more from > >> > improving their taste than from improving their perfor
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Since my gofast has, alas, provision for only one bottle cage (and I don't want to use a strap one one), I simply use a discarded PET soda or paid-for-water bottle in my saddlebag or jersey pocket -- won't leak, convenient shape and sizes, and you can discard (properly) when you are done. When it is 100F and 5% humidity, I can drink a lot even in 20 miles. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:10 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else (Mike?) > said these work pretty good in a saddle bag: > http://www.rei.com/product/797977 > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson wrote: >> >> There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing >> the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of >> course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may >> have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know >> what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits >> (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. >> >> David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run >> out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, >> not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all >> downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the >> start. >> >> dougP >> >> On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: >> > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of >> > water. >> > >> > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they >> > were >> > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to >> > guess >> > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of >> > road >> > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film at >> > the >> > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. >> > >> > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the >> > fact, >> > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs >> > were. >> > Pretty cool guy! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson >> > wrote: >> > > Patrick: >> > >> > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty >> > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn >> > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, >> > > warm- >> > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a >> > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are >> > > available. >> > >> > > dougP >> > >> > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: >> > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really >> > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), >> > >> > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single >> > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the >> > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud >> > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an >> > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video >> > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a >> > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a >> > > > 63" >> > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts >> > > > of >> > > > time over this on such a short flat? >> > >> > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that >> > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. >> > >> > > > >> > > > (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. >> > > .) >> > >> > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: >> > >http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) >> > >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > Groups >> > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > > To post to this group, send email to >> > > [email protected]. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > >> > > [email protected] >> > > . >> > > For more options, visit this group at >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > >> > -- >> > Cheers, >> > David >> > Redlands, CA >> > >> > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would >> > probably benefit more from >> > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- >> > Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more opti
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
I think Noel suggested bringing extra water along, and someone else (Mike?) said these work pretty good in a saddle bag: http://www.rei.com/product/797977 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, doug peterson wrote: > There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing > the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of > course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may > have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know > what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits > (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. > > David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run > out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, > not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all > downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the > start. > > dougP > > On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of > > water. > > > > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they > were > > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to guess > > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of > road > > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film at > the > > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > > > > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the > fact, > > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs were. > > Pretty cool guy! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson > wrote: > > > Patrick: > > > > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn > > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, warm- > > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are > > > available. > > > > > dougP > > > > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single > > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud > > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video > > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a > > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a > 63" > > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts > of > > > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that > > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > > > > > ( > http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. > > > .) > > > > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: > > >http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected] > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > David > > Redlands, CA > > > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > > probably benefit more from > > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- > Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this grou
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
There was at least one fixed gear that I noticed. The guy was pushing the bike thru some boggy looking stuff & the pedals were turning. Of course, if he tossed it into the drink, got some mud in the FW, it may have started the day SS & was now fixed! You're right; hard to know what the total course looked like from the film. Only the fun bits (water crossings, etc) would be interesting to film. David: What's a "Platypus"? My Atlantis has 3 cages & I've never run out of water, even in Utah & Arizona. We're riding in Orange County, not Africa or Australia. And the beauty is, if you conk out, it's all downhill (really, truly, no BS, cross my heart, etc.) back to the start. dougP On Oct 29, 8:47 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of > water. > > As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they were > fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to guess > what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of road > sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film at the > water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. > > The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the fact, > he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs were. > Pretty cool guy! > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson wrote: > > Patrick: > > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn > > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, warm- > > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are > > available. > > > dougP > > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single > > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud > > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video > > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a > > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a 63" > > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts of > > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that > > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > > > (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. > > .) > > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: > >http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Cheers, > David > Redlands, CA > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > probably benefit more from > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- Hide > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
I just purchased a Platypus as word on the street is we'll need lots of water. As for the video, I noticed several derailer-less bikes. Whether they were fixed, SS or IGH, I don't know, but am guessing SS. You can try to guess what ratios they were running (if SS). And it depends on what kind of road sections they didn't show. I would guess they shot most of the film at the water crossings and barriers rather than the straight away roads. The guy doing the voiceover is pretty cool. Some 40 years after the fact, he remembers everyone's name, what they placed, what their day jobs were. Pretty cool guy! On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, doug peterson wrote: > Patrick: > > Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty > funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn > won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, warm- > up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a > cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are > available. > > dougP > > On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single > > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud > > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video > > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a > > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a 63" > > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts of > > time over this on such a short flat? > > > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that > > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > > > (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc.. > .) > > > > Courtesy of youknowwho: > http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Patrick: Thanks for the links. I rarely check BSNYC but these are pretty funny. Fortunately, our little November 13 adventure in Silverado Cyn won't require anything like this level of complexity. No stoves, warm- up equipment or special skin treatments needed. I'd better take a cruise out there to make sure the appropriate post-ride liquids are available. dougP On Oct 29, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), > > Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single > 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the > video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud > path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an > advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video > (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a > half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a 63" > gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts of > time over this on such a short flat? > > Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that > it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. > > (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cycloc...) > > Courtesy of > youknowwho:http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
> On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really >> competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), Is this because of the type of course, or overall? Wouldn't a single 63" gear be quite competitive on a course like that shown in the video, with few fast flats and a lot of throwing, carrying and mud path grinding? I'm curious if a gear spread would be much of an advantage on such a course -- didn't see much shifting in the video (tho' of course they had far less to shift than we do today). Even a half mile paved section could be covered at 25 mph at 135 rpm in a 63" gear; would someone with a gear spread be able to make huge amounts of time over this on such a short flat? Not doubting, just asking. And I know nothing about CX except that it's done largely on dirt and that you need a huge kit for it. (http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/10/news/what-to-bring-to-a-cyclocross-race_144694?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) Courtesy of youknowwho: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2010/10/spending-power-whos-1.html) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
Well, it looked pretty flat and the water crossings & general abuse the bikes were put to would be hard on derailers. Looked like even the pastures were pretty tough going and the few road sections full of holes. Maybe a hub shifter would be appropriate. Of course, if you're gonna toss your bike in the drink, less is better. Definitely not recommended for a Brooks saddle. Despite our recent rains, So Cal doesn't have enough water to create conditions such as these. Don't worry about having to toss your bike across a river or encountering any deep mud. Rocks we got; mud is in short supply. dougP On Oct 29, 12:17 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Oct 29, 2:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > Second observation: gearing: this sort of course seems like a good > > candidate for a ss: say 60" to 65"; I used to use 63" for allrounder > > dirt-cum-pavement. I don't see anyone twiddling and a sub 65" gear is > > low enough to get you through surprisingly deep muck (I used it on > > sand here in dry ABQ) yet high enough that you don't spin your eyes > > out on the rare flat-'n'-smooths. > > > What do y'all think? > > for the die-hard cx ss'ers, any course is a good candidate for a > single gear! 2:1 is a good starting point - I see lots of 39x18 or > 34x17 out there (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really > competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), and that seems > reasonable for most New England courses I race. CX is hard. SSCX is > really hard - those who do it tend to rock. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1950 rough stuff race
On Oct 29, 2:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Second observation: gearing: this sort of course seems like a good > candidate for a ss: say 60" to 65"; I used to use 63" for allrounder > dirt-cum-pavement. I don't see anyone twiddling and a sub 65" gear is > low enough to get you through surprisingly deep muck (I used it on > sand here in dry ABQ) yet high enough that you don't spin your eyes > out on the rare flat-'n'-smooths. > > What do y'all think? for the die-hard cx ss'ers, any course is a good candidate for a single gear! 2:1 is a good starting point - I see lots of 39x18 or 34x17 out there (in the ss category, of course - ss'ers aren't really competitive in the elite or even cat 3 fields), and that seems reasonable for most New England courses I race. CX is hard. SSCX is really hard - those who do it tend to rock. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
