[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-05-06 Thread Zach Duval
I sprung for the VO Zeppelins, as I really liked the 45s I had on my 
Raleigh Portage (also 650B, with cantis) and prefer the aluminum to 
plastic. If I can't make them work I'll see about swapping with the Portage 
(a sweet bike, btw). I'm hoping to start the build as soon as a couple more 
parts roll into the shop.

Thanks everyone for the advice so far!

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-05-05 Thread Surlyprof
I use the P50s on my 56 Hillborne with canti brakes.  I might have room for 
a P55, and had considered it, but it would be tight.  May even be tighter 
if I was using sidepulls.  When I called Riv, Mark suggested the P50.  He 
said it would fit any 40 width tire.  I had to bend the mounting bracket as 
they suggest in the video and I also had to grind the opening slot further 
down to get the fender as high up as possible. That leaves room for 40s 
with a nice fender line.  I often hear gravel rattled up through during my 
commute and have even knocked out the quick release when I picked up a 
stick once (it snapped right back in).  If I go to 42-45 knobbies this 
summer, I'll take the fenders off.

John

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 8:29:58 PM UTC-7, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> Here's another query: What is the max fender width that can fit under 
> Tektro R559 sidepulls? I've been looking at the VO Zeppelin fenders (52mm) 
> but those who use these have canti or v brakes? Does anyone have these 
> mounted with Tektro long-reach brakes?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 6:08:50 PM UTC-6, Zach Duval wrote:
>
>> Greetings Riv-owning folks,
>>
>> Today my new Sam Hillborne frameset arrived, and I'm beyond stoked to 
>> start building 'er up. I opted for only the frameset because I work for a 
>> local bike shop and am able to get some pretty sweet deals on components. 
>> However, I'm new to the shop and this will be my first build from scratch, 
>> so I'm open to advice.
>>
>> I'd like the Sam set up with mid-weight touring in mind, with some 
>> flexibility to maintain a comfortable and reasonably speedy unloaded ride, 
>> and will definitely be going drop-bar style with Noodles.
>>
>> My question for you folks is what are some key upgrades I might consider 
>> over the standard build kit suggested on Riv's website? What have you 
>> learned from outfitting your own Rivs?
>>
>> Lay on the Riv wisdom.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-05-05 Thread Zach Duval
I'll probably pull the trigger on the Thin Gripsters soon, as I have the 
MKS touring pedals on other bikes, so trying something different will be 
good, and I'd like something with a bit more grip to allow for more 
effortless riding in Birks. The MKS Touring Lites look much smaller.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 3:17:53 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> The MKS Touring Sylvan lite is a nice pedal.
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 9:29:48 AM UTC-5, Zach Duval wrote:
>>
>>
>>> still deciding between MKS touring pedals or the Thin Gripsters 
>>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-05-05 Thread Zach Duval
I'm fairly certain the fenders will bit in the clearance provided by the 
frame; it's the brake calipers, particularly when squeezed, that I'm more 
worried about. 

Are the Honjo 50s you use true to size?

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 11:51:02 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:

> You should also measure the width of your fork blades. Sometimes this is 
> the limiting factor. 
>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-05-05 Thread Fullylugged
The MKS Touring Sylvan lite is a nice pedal.

On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 9:29:48 AM UTC-5, Zach Duval wrote:
>
>
>> still deciding between MKS touring pedals or the Thin Gripsters 
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-05-04 Thread Lungimsam
You should also measure the width of your fork blades. Sometimes this is the 
limiting factor.
FOr instance,  Honjo H-50 fenders fit in the Tektro R559 brakes great on my 
Bleriot, but I only have about 1mm of airspace between the sides of the fenders 
and the inside of the fork blades. So they just make it. Can't use any wider 
fenders than that.

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-05-04 Thread Zach Duval
Here's another query: What is the max fender width that can fit under 
Tektro R559 sidepulls? I've been looking at the VO Zeppelin fenders (52mm) 
but those who use these have canti or v brakes? Does anyone have these 
mounted with Tektro long-reach brakes?

Thanks again!

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 6:08:50 PM UTC-6, Zach Duval wrote:

> Greetings Riv-owning folks,
>
> Today my new Sam Hillborne frameset arrived, and I'm beyond stoked to 
> start building 'er up. I opted for only the frameset because I work for a 
> local bike shop and am able to get some pretty sweet deals on components. 
> However, I'm new to the shop and this will be my first build from scratch, 
> so I'm open to advice.
>
> I'd like the Sam set up with mid-weight touring in mind, with some 
> flexibility to maintain a comfortable and reasonably speedy unloaded ride, 
> and will definitely be going drop-bar style with Noodles.
>
> My question for you folks is what are some key upgrades I might consider 
> over the standard build kit suggested on Riv's website? What have you 
> learned from outfitting your own Rivs?
>
> Lay on the Riv wisdom.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-04-30 Thread Zach Duval
Also again, I guess this might warrant a whole new thread, but I'd also be 
curious if anyone knows about USB battery packs that might be compatible 
with a dyno hub (to use for charging a cell phone or possibly a netbook).

Thanks!

>
>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-04-30 Thread Zach Duval
Thanks for the suggestions, though. 

Also, does anyone have experience running a Supernova headlight, 
particularly the E3 Pure 3? http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/supernova.asp

In response to the bag comment above: I'll be moving my Sackville Med from 
my previous ride to this one. Love that bag (and the small Acorn bag on my 
old Fuji).

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 6:08:50 PM UTC-6, Zach Duval wrote:

> Greetings Riv-owning folks,
>
> Today my new Sam Hillborne frameset arrived, and I'm beyond stoked to 
> start building 'er up. I opted for only the frameset because I work for a 
> local bike shop and am able to get some pretty sweet deals on components. 
> However, I'm new to the shop and this will be my first build from scratch, 
> so I'm open to advice.
>
> I'd like the Sam set up with mid-weight touring in mind, with some 
> flexibility to maintain a comfortable and reasonably speedy unloaded ride, 
> and will definitely be going drop-bar style with Noodles.
>
> My question for you folks is what are some key upgrades I might consider 
> over the standard build kit suggested on Riv's website? What have you 
> learned from outfitting your own Rivs?
>
> Lay on the Riv wisdom.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-04-30 Thread Zach Duval

>
> Well, shucks. I wasn't very patient (the frame just looked so naked, which 
> is nice, but I wanted to take her places) so I put in my order yesterday 
> for most everything I didn't have on hand (my day off work coincided with 
> my post's moderation period).
>

Anyhow, I went with mostly standard fare with some tweaks here and there, 
including a few compromises based on what was available with a discount 
from the shop.

Cockpit: 44cm Nitto noodles, Shimano Tiagra levers, Nitto Technomic stem, 
and I'll be ordering V.O.'s comfy cotton tape (I really dig the feel of 
shellacked cotton) in red or orange

Drivetrain: Sugino X600, 46/36/26 (hoping I like this gearing) with an XT 
front and Deore back, and an XT 9-speed cassette in back (11-34), with 
Duran-Ace bar ends (I want to try indexed bar end shifting, at least once)

Wheelset: front Shimano dyno hub laced to 36h V.O. Diagonale rim, rear V.O. 
touring hub laced to same rim as front (the V.O. stuff here might be 
somewhat of a gamble, but at just over cost I'll give it a shot)

Other: Tektro R559 brakes, still deciding between MKS touring pedals or the 
Thin Gripsters 

And my Brooks B17 Special was planted on immediately after I received the 
frame. Those two are in it for the long haul together...

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 6:08:50 PM UTC-6, Zach Duval wrote:

> Greetings Riv-owning folks,
>
> Today my new Sam Hillborne frameset arrived, and I'm beyond stoked to 
> start building 'er up. I opted for only the frameset because I work for a 
> local bike shop and am able to get some pretty sweet deals on components. 
> However, I'm new to the shop and this will be my first build from scratch, 
> so I'm open to advice.
>
> I'd like the Sam set up with mid-weight touring in mind, with some 
> flexibility to maintain a comfortable and reasonably speedy unloaded ride, 
> and will definitely be going drop-bar style with Noodles.
>
> My question for you folks is what are some key upgrades I might consider 
> over the standard build kit suggested on Riv's website? What have you 
> learned from outfitting your own Rivs?
>
> Lay on the Riv wisdom.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-04-30 Thread Zach Duval

>
> Well, shucks. I wasn't very patient (the frame just looked so naked, which 
> is nice, but I wanted to take her places) so I put in my order yesterday 
> for most everything I didn't have on hand (my day off work coincided with 
> my post's moderation period).
>

Anyhow, I went with mostly standard fare with some tweaks here and there, 
including a few compromises based on what was available with a discount 
from the shop.

Cockpit: 44cm Nitto noodles, Shimano Tiagra levers, Nitto Technomic stem, 
and I'll be ordering V.O.'s comfy cotton tape (I really dig the feel of 
shellacked cotton) in red or orange

Drivetrain: Sugino X600, 46/36/26 (hoping I like this gearing) with an XT 
front and Deore back, and an XT 9-speed cassette in back (11-34)

Wheelset: front Shimano dyno hub laced to 36h V.O. Diagonale rim, rear V.O. 
touring hub laced to same rim as front (the V.O. stuff here might be 
somewhat of a gamble, but at just over cost I'll give it a shot)

Other: Tektro R559 brakes, still deciding between MKS touring pedals or the 
Thin Gripsters 

And my Brooks B17 Special was planted on immediately after I received the 
frame. Those two are in it for the long haul together...

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-04-30 Thread Tim Gavin
I'm a huge fan of the Tektro TRP RRL brake levers.  They have excellent
feel and ergonomics.  I have the black/black ones on my KOM and the gum
ones on my Riv (both on Nitto B135 bars).

King Iris cages are the best, hands down.

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-04-30 Thread Surlyprof
+1 on the B17 Special.  The thicker leather and hammered rivets are a nice 
upgrade from the standard B17.  It also looks great on the blue or 
orange Sams (if that is what yours is).  I also like both the Thin Gripster 
and Grip Kings pedals.  I would get the spike package for the Grip Kings. 
 Mine has an LX rear derailleur which shifts beautifully.  I was always an 
XT guy but I can't justify the upgrade when the LX is shifting so 
smoothly.  I love Paul brakes for a more modern look and great stopping 
power.  However, the Tektro and Diacomps Riv sells are a little more 
classic looking.  Most importantly, get good wheels and hubs.  Rich 
Lesnik's wheels are really nice.  I have 36h Mavic A719 which are really 
sturdy but a little on the heavy side.  They are my go to wheels for 
commuting and camping.  With Schwalbe tires I have little fear of a flat.  
My "light" wheels are 32h Synergies with Barlow Pass extralights.  Feels 
radically lighter and more responsive.  I'm starting to feel more 
comfortable about loading them more and may start trying them out for more 
loaded riding.  Everything people have been saying about Synergies and 
Barlow Pass tires is making me want to push the weight on them a bit more 
in exchange for the smoother, faster ride.  The tires the group have been 
suggesting are fantastic.  I've become a big fan of Compass (extralights, 
particularly) thanks to feedback from the group.

Have a great time building it up.
John



On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 5:08:50 PM UTC-7, Zach Duval wrote:

> Greetings Riv-owning folks,
>
> Today my new Sam Hillborne frameset arrived, and I'm beyond stoked to 
> start building 'er up. I opted for only the frameset because I work for a 
> local bike shop and am able to get some pretty sweet deals on components. 
> However, I'm new to the shop and this will be my first build from scratch, 
> so I'm open to advice.
>
> I'd like the Sam set up with mid-weight touring in mind, with some 
> flexibility to maintain a comfortable and reasonably speedy unloaded ride, 
> and will definitely be going drop-bar style with Noodles.
>
> My question for you folks is what are some key upgrades I might consider 
> over the standard build kit suggested on Riv's website? What have you 
> learned from outfitting your own Rivs?
>
> Lay on the Riv wisdom.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-04-30 Thread WETH
Congratulations on the new bike.  Looking forward to seeing photos of the 
final build.
There have been some good suggestions.  My two cents:
1. Compass tires
2. Sneaker pedals
3. Interrupter levers (I like them on my noodles when I am riding in urban 
areas)
4. Cork bar tape; I prefer it to the cotton.
Enjoy the build process,
Erl

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 8:08:50 PM UTC-4, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> Greetings Riv-owning folks,
>
> Today my new Sam Hillborne frameset arrived, and I'm beyond stoked to 
> start building 'er up. I opted for only the frameset because I work for a 
> local bike shop and am able to get some pretty sweet deals on components. 
> However, I'm new to the shop and this will be my first build from scratch, 
> so I'm open to advice.
>
> I'd like the Sam set up with mid-weight touring in mind, with some 
> flexibility to maintain a comfortable and reasonably speedy unloaded ride, 
> and will definitely be going drop-bar style with Noodles.
>
> My question for you folks is what are some key upgrades I might consider 
> over the standard build kit suggested on Riv's website? What have you 
> learned from outfitting your own Rivs?
>
> Lay on the Riv wisdom.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Sam Hillborne build: advice?

2015-04-30 Thread Will
Throw a Tubus rack on the back. They are set up for B&M topline lights. If 
you go Dynamo, get a wired version, otherwise the Cygo Streak front and 
battery Topline back are good alternatives. Riv sells both. 

Get a rolltop pannier for the back rack. Ortlieb and Arkel have excellent 
rapid attach/detach bags. Major cargo capability is serious luxury. It's 
worth a few $$$. Saddle bags are not as convenient, particularly if you 
park the bike for errand/grocery shopping purposes. You can't leave a $200 
bag on the bike. 

No changes to the build kit. It's solid. Get a B17 special. Get the sneaker 
peddles. Yes, they are cheap, I have them on 3 bikes. Like them a lot. 

If you go dynamo, get a set of Pitlocks. Having the wheels (and seat post) 
secured is real peace of mind.   

Get the biggest fenders the bike will fit. 

Oh... one more thing... if you're mostly commuting and local riding, 
consider albastaches. Just saying...

Will




Will



On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 7:08:50 PM UTC-5, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> Greetings Riv-owning folks,
>
> Today my new Sam Hillborne frameset arrived, and I'm beyond stoked to 
> start building 'er up. I opted for only the frameset because I work for a 
> local bike shop and am able to get some pretty sweet deals on components. 
> However, I'm new to the shop and this will be my first build from scratch, 
> so I'm open to advice.
>
> I'd like the Sam set up with mid-weight touring in mind, with some 
> flexibility to maintain a comfortable and reasonably speedy unloaded ride, 
> and will definitely be going drop-bar style with Noodles.
>
> My question for you folks is what are some key upgrades I might consider 
> over the standard build kit suggested on Riv's website? What have you 
> learned from outfitting your own Rivs?
>
> Lay on the Riv wisdom.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>

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