[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
Soma Cazaderos can handle light to medium-ish trails and are surprisingly great on pavement, and I've mostly had good luck with ultradynamico slicks. My experience with RH has been mixed -- love how they roll, but not reliable (again, this is just my experience). If I were to get them again, I'd def ride them tubed. On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 8:27:59 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote: > Grand Bois Cypres or Hetre. I also run 38mm GK Slicks. The GKs feel a > little more stout but in my experience the Grand Bois tires have a nicer > road feel. > > Best, > Rich in ATL > > On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 6:32:36 PM UTC-5 [email protected] > wrote: > >> I commuted 30 miles a day for a few years in Maine, I rode lots of tires, >> but the ones I got flats on where the light casing slick Gravel Kings, and >> Rene Herse light casing. The standard casing Rene Herse held up well, but >> cut easily, enough so that the tire lasted 1/4 the miles of the Pari-Motos. >> The new Gravel King slicks with the tougher casing has been what I've been >> riding recently and I LOVE them! Roll great, maybe not as soft as the RH >> tires but they hold up very well! I was only able to put about 1k on them >> before someone put a knife through the sidewalls while locked up. >> >> If I was going to recommend a tire to someone I would defiantly recommend >> the newer Gravel King Slicks over anything else for commuting. >> >> On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 7:09:12 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote: >> >>> I strongly suggest Rene Herse tires after how transformative a pair of >>> Stampede Pass ELs were for my Rambouillet. It was like having a new bike. I >>> rode farther and faster with less fatigue afterward. >>> >>> The RH EL tires ride so well that they recreated the bike and provided >>> more opportunity to delve into the sort of riding motivating a new bike on >>> a 650B front load layout and built it around the 650Bx42 Baby Shoe Pass >>> standard casing in tubeless set up. >>> >>> The EL casings never showed weakness even pressed into loaded duty >>> riding the GAP/C&O Canal to Washington. They afforded me the ability to >>> vary inflation like never before and I did rim pinch a few times while >>> (over) enjoying the comfortable ride. >>> >>> Here is a picture my rear wheel and Stampede Pass EL after hitting a >>> pothole at 35mph. Overnight downpours opened the hole in a lane I rode 12 >>> hours earlier and with traffic I had little reaction time or space to dodge >>> it. The tire was intact and tube remained inflated. The Wheel was not >>> as fortunate but with some physical adjustment I got it to turn between the >>> brakes and I rode the community event with the folks I was meeting. The >>> tire and tube survived, the rim was what needed replacing. >>> [image: FC48086C-9F3B-4879-BD00-0D976858F94D_4_5005_c.jpeg] >>> [image: 51DA07FC-4214-49A6-A625-086650848F83_1_105_c.jpeg] >>> >>> >>> I love the RH BSPs in standard casing for my tubeless set up on my rando >>> bike and have a hard time imagining dropping to the "classic" 650Bx38 >>> width. 60% of the riding I do on the 42s is paved including fast weekly >>> group rides April-October. I am hard pressed to switch tires with the >>> mileage and durability my RH choices have produced. >>> >>> Andy Cheatham >>> Pittsburgh >>> >>> On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 9:48:24 PM UTC-5 Matthew Danning wrote: >>> Hello group, I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used exclusively on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. I've ridden this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now out. Any recommendations from personal experience? Width in the 35 mm range is sufficient for my body weight. Thanks in advance. >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bc2298a5-2643-48d7-a1be-cafacf2dfffbn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
Grand Bois Cypres or Hetre. I also run 38mm GK Slicks. The GKs feel a little more stout but in my experience the Grand Bois tires have a nicer road feel. Best, Rich in ATL On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 6:32:36 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > I commuted 30 miles a day for a few years in Maine, I rode lots of tires, > but the ones I got flats on where the light casing slick Gravel Kings, and > Rene Herse light casing. The standard casing Rene Herse held up well, but > cut easily, enough so that the tire lasted 1/4 the miles of the Pari-Motos. > The new Gravel King slicks with the tougher casing has been what I've been > riding recently and I LOVE them! Roll great, maybe not as soft as the RH > tires but they hold up very well! I was only able to put about 1k on them > before someone put a knife through the sidewalls while locked up. > > If I was going to recommend a tire to someone I would defiantly recommend > the newer Gravel King Slicks over anything else for commuting. > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 7:09:12 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote: > >> I strongly suggest Rene Herse tires after how transformative a pair of >> Stampede Pass ELs were for my Rambouillet. It was like having a new bike. I >> rode farther and faster with less fatigue afterward. >> >> The RH EL tires ride so well that they recreated the bike and provided >> more opportunity to delve into the sort of riding motivating a new bike on >> a 650B front load layout and built it around the 650Bx42 Baby Shoe Pass >> standard casing in tubeless set up. >> >> The EL casings never showed weakness even pressed into loaded duty riding >> the GAP/C&O Canal to Washington. They afforded me the ability to vary >> inflation like never before and I did rim pinch a few times while (over) >> enjoying the comfortable ride. >> >> Here is a picture my rear wheel and Stampede Pass EL after hitting a >> pothole at 35mph. Overnight downpours opened the hole in a lane I rode 12 >> hours earlier and with traffic I had little reaction time or space to dodge >> it. The tire was intact and tube remained inflated. The Wheel was not as >> fortunate but with some physical adjustment I got it to turn between the >> brakes and I rode the community event with the folks I was meeting. The >> tire and tube survived, the rim was what needed replacing. >> [image: FC48086C-9F3B-4879-BD00-0D976858F94D_4_5005_c.jpeg] >> [image: 51DA07FC-4214-49A6-A625-086650848F83_1_105_c.jpeg] >> >> >> I love the RH BSPs in standard casing for my tubeless set up on my rando >> bike and have a hard time imagining dropping to the "classic" 650Bx38 >> width. 60% of the riding I do on the 42s is paved including fast weekly >> group rides April-October. I am hard pressed to switch tires with the >> mileage and durability my RH choices have produced. >> >> Andy Cheatham >> Pittsburgh >> >> On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 9:48:24 PM UTC-5 Matthew Danning wrote: >> >>> Hello group, >>> >>> I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used >>> exclusively on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. >>> I've ridden this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now >>> out. Any recommendations from personal experience? Width in the 35 mm >>> range is sufficient for my body weight. Thanks in advance. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/28775a83-693d-45b5-9571-0983d4f16b81n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
I commuted 30 miles a day for a few years in Maine, I rode lots of tires, but the ones I got flats on where the light casing slick Gravel Kings, and Rene Herse light casing. The standard casing Rene Herse held up well, but cut easily, enough so that the tire lasted 1/4 the miles of the Pari-Motos. The new Gravel King slicks with the tougher casing has been what I've been riding recently and I LOVE them! Roll great, maybe not as soft as the RH tires but they hold up very well! I was only able to put about 1k on them before someone put a knife through the sidewalls while locked up. If I was going to recommend a tire to someone I would defiantly recommend the newer Gravel King Slicks over anything else for commuting. On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 7:09:12 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote: > I strongly suggest Rene Herse tires after how transformative a pair of > Stampede Pass ELs were for my Rambouillet. It was like having a new bike. I > rode farther and faster with less fatigue afterward. > > The RH EL tires ride so well that they recreated the bike and provided > more opportunity to delve into the sort of riding motivating a new bike on > a 650B front load layout and built it around the 650Bx42 Baby Shoe Pass > standard casing in tubeless set up. > > The EL casings never showed weakness even pressed into loaded duty riding > the GAP/C&O Canal to Washington. They afforded me the ability to vary > inflation like never before and I did rim pinch a few times while (over) > enjoying the comfortable ride. > > Here is a picture my rear wheel and Stampede Pass EL after hitting a > pothole at 35mph. Overnight downpours opened the hole in a lane I rode 12 > hours earlier and with traffic I had little reaction time or space to dodge > it. The tire was intact and tube remained inflated. The Wheel was not as > fortunate but with some physical adjustment I got it to turn between the > brakes and I rode the community event with the folks I was meeting. The > tire and tube survived, the rim was what needed replacing. > [image: FC48086C-9F3B-4879-BD00-0D976858F94D_4_5005_c.jpeg] > [image: 51DA07FC-4214-49A6-A625-086650848F83_1_105_c.jpeg] > > > I love the RH BSPs in standard casing for my tubeless set up on my rando > bike and have a hard time imagining dropping to the "classic" 650Bx38 > width. 60% of the riding I do on the 42s is paved including fast weekly > group rides April-October. I am hard pressed to switch tires with the > mileage and durability my RH choices have produced. > > Andy Cheatham > Pittsburgh > > On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 9:48:24 PM UTC-5 Matthew Danning wrote: > >> Hello group, >> >> I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used >> exclusively on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. >> I've ridden this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now >> out. Any recommendations from personal experience? Width in the 35 mm >> range is sufficient for my body weight. Thanks in advance. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0be37ac9-b90c-46fb-abac-c6d6a6bbc07dn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
I have a NIB pair of 650x38 Loup Loup Pass Standard Casing tires that I would sell for $120 shipped CONUS if you're interested. I upsized to 650Bx42 (BSP) and they're sitting on the shelf. 38s are better than 32s, but 42s are better still! David in Philadelphia On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 8:09:12 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote: > I strongly suggest Rene Herse tires after how transformative a pair of > Stampede Pass ELs were for my Rambouillet. It was like having a new bike. I > rode farther and faster with less fatigue afterward. > > The RH EL tires ride so well that they recreated the bike and provided > more opportunity to delve into the sort of riding motivating a new bike on > a 650B front load layout and built it around the 650Bx42 Baby Shoe Pass > standard casing in tubeless set up. > > The EL casings never showed weakness even pressed into loaded duty riding > the GAP/C&O Canal to Washington. They afforded me the ability to vary > inflation like never before and I did rim pinch a few times while (over) > enjoying the comfortable ride. > > Here is a picture my rear wheel and Stampede Pass EL after hitting a > pothole at 35mph. Overnight downpours opened the hole in a lane I rode 12 > hours earlier and with traffic I had little reaction time or space to dodge > it. The tire was intact and tube remained inflated. The Wheel was not as > fortunate but with some physical adjustment I got it to turn between the > brakes and I rode the community event with the folks I was meeting. The > tire and tube survived, the rim was what needed replacing. > [image: FC48086C-9F3B-4879-BD00-0D976858F94D_4_5005_c.jpeg] > [image: 51DA07FC-4214-49A6-A625-086650848F83_1_105_c.jpeg] > > > I love the RH BSPs in standard casing for my tubeless set up on my rando > bike and have a hard time imagining dropping to the "classic" 650Bx38 > width. 60% of the riding I do on the 42s is paved including fast weekly > group rides April-October. I am hard pressed to switch tires with the > mileage and durability my RH choices have produced. > > Andy Cheatham > Pittsburgh > > On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 9:48:24 PM UTC-5 Matthew Danning wrote: > >> Hello group, >> >> I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used >> exclusively on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. >> I've ridden this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now >> out. Any recommendations from personal experience? Width in the 35 mm >> range is sufficient for my body weight. Thanks in advance. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5fe02c51-77fd-4bd2-a4b1-4101dac73e47n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
+1 for Baby Shoe Pass On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 1:34:41 PM UTC-7 Austin L wrote: > I got a lot of miles out of the Loup-Loup pass tires, but the Pari-Motos > are bargain compared to Rene Herse, even if I don't get the same mileage. > Plus you can get them in black sidewall without paying more. > > Austin > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 10:34:55 AM UTC-8 Piaw Na wrote: > >> Agreed on the Pari Motos. I swapped out my kid's bike from the WTB Nano >> to these and the kids went from hating the bike to loving it and going >> fast. I run RH Stampede Passes on my wife's bike and on the tandem, but if >> the Pari Motos were available for 700c wheels there's no chance I'd pay the >> extra MSRP for the Rene Herse tires. (And my Rene Herse tires are all >> bought used as well, so I wasn't paying MSRP for those!) >> >> On Monday, January 20, 2025 at 6:07:26 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 8:48:24 PM UTC-6 Matthew Danning wrote: >>> >>> I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used >>> exclusively on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. >>> I've ridden this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now >>> out. >>> >>> >>> Many years ago I switched my Bleriot from Fatty Rumpkins to Pari Motos >>> and gasped out loud the first time down my driveway. Completely transformed >>> the bike. I've also ridden Nifty Swifties and didn't think they were >>> particularly swift. Either the Pari Motos or Rene Herse 38mm tires will >>> shock you. If you want a bit more durability, go with standard casing from >>> RH and save a few dollars. I have never had flat issues with RH extra light >>> casing tires until they have a lot of miles on them. Like, 2000 miles on a >>> rear tire. The only Gravel Kings I have ridden are 48mm and I like them a >>> lot - they are probably very similar to RH standard casing. >>> >>> I don't think you'll regret going up in tire volume. 584x38 is a magic >>> size. My next bike is being designed around that size. >>> >>> Ted Durant >>> Freezing Cold and riding cheap training tires on rollers in the basement >>> in Milwaukee WI USA >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f4540b2a-cca8-4fc1-9c22-3a3a1ecc4ea5n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
I got a lot of miles out of the Loup-Loup pass tires, but the Pari-Motos are bargain compared to Rene Herse, even if I don't get the same mileage. Plus you can get them in black sidewall without paying more. Austin On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 10:34:55 AM UTC-8 Piaw Na wrote: > Agreed on the Pari Motos. I swapped out my kid's bike from the WTB Nano to > these and the kids went from hating the bike to loving it and going fast. I > run RH Stampede Passes on my wife's bike and on the tandem, but if the Pari > Motos were available for 700c wheels there's no chance I'd pay the extra > MSRP for the Rene Herse tires. (And my Rene Herse tires are all bought used > as well, so I wasn't paying MSRP for those!) > > On Monday, January 20, 2025 at 6:07:26 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote: > >> On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 8:48:24 PM UTC-6 Matthew Danning wrote: >> >> I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used >> exclusively on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. >> I've ridden this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now >> out. >> >> >> Many years ago I switched my Bleriot from Fatty Rumpkins to Pari Motos >> and gasped out loud the first time down my driveway. Completely transformed >> the bike. I've also ridden Nifty Swifties and didn't think they were >> particularly swift. Either the Pari Motos or Rene Herse 38mm tires will >> shock you. If you want a bit more durability, go with standard casing from >> RH and save a few dollars. I have never had flat issues with RH extra light >> casing tires until they have a lot of miles on them. Like, 2000 miles on a >> rear tire. The only Gravel Kings I have ridden are 48mm and I like them a >> lot - they are probably very similar to RH standard casing. >> >> I don't think you'll regret going up in tire volume. 584x38 is a magic >> size. My next bike is being designed around that size. >> >> Ted Durant >> Freezing Cold and riding cheap training tires on rollers in the basement >> in Milwaukee WI USA >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8fbf58a7-cff4-4ce2-9d6f-aaca27e88558n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
Agreed on the Pari Motos. I swapped out my kid's bike from the WTB Nano to these and the kids went from hating the bike to loving it and going fast. I run RH Stampede Passes on my wife's bike and on the tandem, but if the Pari Motos were available for 700c wheels there's no chance I'd pay the extra MSRP for the Rene Herse tires. (And my Rene Herse tires are all bought used as well, so I wasn't paying MSRP for those!) On Monday, January 20, 2025 at 6:07:26 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote: > On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 8:48:24 PM UTC-6 Matthew Danning wrote: > > I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used exclusively > on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. I've ridden > this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now out. > > > Many years ago I switched my Bleriot from Fatty Rumpkins to Pari Motos and > gasped out loud the first time down my driveway. Completely transformed the > bike. I've also ridden Nifty Swifties and didn't think they were > particularly swift. Either the Pari Motos or Rene Herse 38mm tires will > shock you. If you want a bit more durability, go with standard casing from > RH and save a few dollars. I have never had flat issues with RH extra light > casing tires until they have a lot of miles on them. Like, 2000 miles on a > rear tire. The only Gravel Kings I have ridden are 48mm and I like them a > lot - they are probably very similar to RH standard casing. > > I don't think you'll regret going up in tire volume. 584x38 is a magic > size. My next bike is being designed around that size. > > Ted Durant > Freezing Cold and riding cheap training tires on rollers in the basement > in Milwaukee WI USA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fa97ad3c-7314-4a07-af8f-616c511216a8n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 8:48:24 PM UTC-6 Matthew Danning wrote: I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used exclusively on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. I've ridden this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now out. Many years ago I switched my Bleriot from Fatty Rumpkins to Pari Motos and gasped out loud the first time down my driveway. Completely transformed the bike. I've also ridden Nifty Swifties and didn't think they were particularly swift. Either the Pari Motos or Rene Herse 38mm tires will shock you. If you want a bit more durability, go with standard casing from RH and save a few dollars. I have never had flat issues with RH extra light casing tires until they have a lot of miles on them. Like, 2000 miles on a rear tire. The only Gravel Kings I have ridden are 48mm and I like them a lot - they are probably very similar to RH standard casing. I don't think you'll regret going up in tire volume. 584x38 is a magic size. My next bike is being designed around that size. Ted Durant Freezing Cold and riding cheap training tires on rollers in the basement in Milwaukee WI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9144820f-7c69-4424-8472-a596954cd45fn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
Panaracers (gravelking) are good and relatively cheap. I have 650x38 on a bike and am happy with them. Though Panaracer calls them 1.5". Will -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e9f8e0cd-cffe-4552-9f5f-92b772a26061n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Advice sought for 650B tires
Rene Herse - The 38mm Loup Loup Pass just might be what you're looking for. I've run the standard casing which I thought was superb. https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-category/components/tires/650b/?srsltid=AfmBOorswI1PuVhLlqJlY1TsIiyWARWXGF1yjIQ9SYTGR6zCouuafTxT Steve in AVL On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 9:48:24 PM UTC-5 Matthew Danning wrote: > Hello group, > > I'm looking for advice on 650B tires for a Bleriot that's used exclusively > on-road. I'd like a tire that's fast but not too fragile. I've ridden > this bike for years with nifty swifties, but my supply is now out. Any > recommendations from personal experience? Width in the 35 mm range is > sufficient for my body weight. Thanks in advance. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2ed20acc-119f-4730-90ce-e84c54eebc0an%40googlegroups.com.
