[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
> > I had talked to the Riv peeps before about what size for my 82 pbh. They > said 54, 55, or 56. > > So 55 it will be when the time comes because of 700c and my short reach. > Don't wanna push it with a 56. > > Just wundrin' if something roadish was coming down the pike but sounds like no. I remember Grant writing me that he felt the Homer was the finest bike they have ever made, if I remember his wording corectly. So sounds like it is here to stay, which is great. Now I'ma go get me some hogs. Ku-ku! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jpDD56s2_8YJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:08:41 AM UTC-5, Noah Deuce wrote: > > Michael, > > I have a 700 Hilsen. > As a side note, don't be afraid to follow Riv sizing conventions. I'm > 5'8", 30" inseam, not oddly proportioned, and I ride a 61cm. And I'm riding > clipless with my cleats shoved all the way back in the slot, so my saddle > height isn't artificially high. > > Noah > In the description of the Homer it indicates most 5'8" people ride a 52cm. The geometry chart for the for the 61 Hilsen indicates something like 34". How thick are your shoes? David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Sv6lYz_fKo8J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
Ha! Maybe we have the same inseam but differ in PBH by 7 cm because I wear my pants over my belly and you wear yours gangsta style. :-) Toshi On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Noah Deuce wrote: > @Toshi: Yes, my 30" inseam gives me a saddle height of about 78cm, and a > pubic bone height of about 86cm. > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
@Toshi: Yes, my 30" inseam gives me a saddle height of about 78cm, and a pubic bone height of about 86cm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SgbVSYCzo9IJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
I have a 31" or 79 cm PBH (30" inseam pants) and ride a 54 AHH. My saddle height is 69 cm. With a 61 cm seat tube and 170 mm cranks that amounts to 61+17cm=78 cm of crank length to the top of the seat tube, which would give me a 1cm seat + seatpost height (impossible for me). Does your 30" inseam translate to a ~86 cm PBH? Toshi On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Noah Deuce wrote: > Michael, > > I have a 700 Hilsen. > As a side note, don't be afraid to follow Riv sizing conventions. I'm 5'8", > 30" inseam, not oddly proportioned, and I ride a 61cm. And I'm riding > clipless with my cleats shoved all the way back in the slot, so my saddle > height isn't artificially high. > > Noah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
On the mid-back burner is a model of limited appeal because it'll come only in a 67cm with a 6-deg upsloping TT---a Sammish bike but a hair beefier and in a few ways NOT a Sam. Working name, which I won't have the cajones to go thru with, is the Clem Smith Jr. (the "Smitty"?) At this stage of development, that is what I'm calling it. It's like a superbeefy Sam for the tall and beefy hillbilly who doesn't sell enough pelts and gin and baby pigs to afford a custom. But it will be a super neat bike---with differences that make sense in a hugey, and still with the normal stuff we gotta have in all our bikes. Yes, lugs, etc. It may be a year and a half out. We aren't sure where it makes sense to make it---Taiwan or WF or Nobi---cost varies, and there are mins to consider and cash flow and timing and all the fun stuff that rule our world here---but BIKEWISE, it'll be neat. This is a "roadish" bike, but here that means any road, even road that aren't "country maintained." On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:36:51 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > Seems like anything "new" would be pretty similar to the Hilsen, but > perhaps in a different color and with a different name. The roadish > Rivendell category is somewhat tightly constrained. I kinda doubt we'll see > a new Riv with press-in BB or a tapered headtube for zero-stack headset > anytime soon. > > On Thursday, December 13, 2012 1:00:58 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote: >> >> Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the >> general-use-mobile? >> >> The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would >> have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). >> Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop >> production on frames every few years and come out with a new model >> replacement. >> >> Just ponderin'. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cC9JG9mq238J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
Why not get the San Marcos if you are looking for a roadie 700c bike? Save yourself 1k to put towards a ultrega light weight build. On Dec 20, 2012 12:53 AM, "Michael" wrote: > @Esteban: >> >> > I would like a custom, but the $$ are so high for them these days. > I think I would want to test ride my next Rivbike purchase as I am gonna > look for something a little quicker than the Bleriot I have. > It handles great and is very stable and I love it, but want to find > something that is easier to pedal for my next ride. 700c, so that would > mean a 55 Hilsen if I had to buy tomorrow. > > I like the 650b idea, but too limited in tire choices to get something > "just right" that I am looking for. Also, I live in a non-650b LBS > territory. I live in 700cville. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tUWUCCt3lSoJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
Michael, I have a 700 Hilsen. As a side note, don't be afraid to follow Riv sizing conventions. I'm 5'8", 30" inseam, not oddly proportioned, and I ride a 61cm. And I'm riding clipless with my cleats shoved all the way back in the slot, so my saddle height isn't artificially high. Noah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/s3q_UrkTvRIJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
> > @Esteban: > > I would like a custom, but the $$ are so high for them these days. I think I would want to test ride my next Rivbike purchase as I am gonna look for something a little quicker than the Bleriot I have. It handles great and is very stable and I love it, but want to find something that is easier to pedal for my next ride. 700c, so that would mean a 55 Hilsen if I had to buy tomorrow. I like the 650b idea, but too limited in tire choices to get something "just right" that I am looking for. Also, I live in a non-650b LBS territory. I live in 700cville. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tUWUCCt3lSoJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
> > @Noah, > Your Hilsen is a 700, or 650b frame? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XHL2JA5pcp8J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
I have, and love, an A. Homer Hilsen. I bought it when I was 27, and four years later it's still the best ride I've ever had. I've commuted on it, ridden it 200 miles in a day on gravel roads, climbed over Lee Hill Road in Boulder (just like the USA Pro Cycling Challenge!...Uh, only slower), and done all the general road riding that I can. It's a great bike - don't hesitate to buy it when you have the chance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0Hr1SrJz5ukJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
I was surprised that a second iteration of the Bleriot didn't happen, at least as a frameset. Now that the next batch of Hillborne sizes will likely go heavy on 700C, I'd be surprised if we don't see a similarly appointed frame at that pricepoint with 650B across the range. The tires are certainly here now. I'll even go so far as to say that the elegant rake on said wholly speculative, totally imaginary fork might accidentally yield a high(er) trail for low speed stability a la city biking. I think they've gone to their reasonable extent in the road, touring and mixed bag departments, so whatever it'll be, this round's for commuters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xk-VSEEIAz4J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
Hi Jim! With beautifully lugged 2-3k$ frame with superfat tires riding in the snow on Minneapolis/St. Paul streets and getting it infested with rust. No thanks, man! In my opinion those fat tires are overrated, slow and compromises the frame's integrity and geometry making it uncomfortable. The Q factor is wide, way too wide. I had a Pugsley, rode it for an hour and felt like I was giving a birth sold it next day! On technical side, with Riv's current bottom bracket lugs it's not feasible to make wider seat/chain stays to make more clearance for those wide tires. TIG is is only a way to go, which in my opinion I highly doubt Riv will do it. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Eric Platt wrote: > Good idea, Jim. Would only add that it might be even better as a drop bar > specific bike. > > Hey, why not wish? > > Eric Platt > On Dec 14, 2012 8:09 AM, "Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery" < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> One thing Grant must occasionally think about is that the various models >> overlap a lot. Another all-rounder or touring bike would cannibalize from >> Hilsen, Atlantis, Hillborne, Hunq, and Bomba sales, since those bikes more >> than cover that category. Sure, the new thing could have 26" wheels or >> different tubing, but would that really be different enough to make sales >> that weren't already gonna happen? Maybe, maybe not. >> >> As long as we're speculating wildly, I'd like to see a true departure >> from what already exists. My "vote" is for an ostentatious lugged fat bike. >> For the uninitiated, a "fat bike" typically takes 26x4.0" tires on 50-100 >> mm wide rims, and the Surly Pugsley is the archetype for the genre. There >> are getting to be lots of tires for these, and even silver "foil hat" rims. >> It's hard to do them without disc brakes though, which may be a hurdle. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IUW6J-d6lv4J. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
Has Riv announced a second custom raffle, Bill? Cuz I'm going to win the first one! From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon? "If you like Grant's design philosophy and the ride quality of a Riv and serious fancy lugs and fancy paint to last a lifetime, why not order a custom? " That's EXACTLY what I'm going to do! I'm going to win the raffle and go crazy. Woot! On Friday, December 14, 2012 10:54:29 AM UTC-8, Esteban wrote: You can always get a Riv Custom. Here's my '99 Joe/Joe, with nary a fender mount on the chainstay bridge. 28mm tires feel the best. http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/8088406652/in/photostream There're are plenty of new custom bikes, it seems (Kirk, Vanilla, Hampsten) for light, classic steel road bikes with modern components and medium-reach brakes running "gravel" friendly 28-32mm tires. It would certainly not overlap with current production Rivs. If you like Grant's design philosophy and the ride quality of a Riv and serious fancy lugs and fancy paint to last a lifetime, why not order a custom? Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the general-use-mobile? The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop production on frames every few years and come out with a new model replacement. Just ponderin'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4TGb3iXOmYMJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
"If you like Grant's design philosophy and the ride quality of a Riv and serious fancy lugs and fancy paint to last a lifetime, why not order a custom? " That's EXACTLY what I'm going to do! I'm going to win the raffle and go crazy. Woot! On Friday, December 14, 2012 10:54:29 AM UTC-8, Esteban wrote: > > You can always get a Riv Custom. Here's my '99 Joe/Joe, with nary a fender > mount on the chainstay bridge. 28mm tires feel the best. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/8088406652/in/photostream > > There're are plenty of new custom bikes, it seems (Kirk, Vanilla, > Hampsten) for light, classic steel road bikes with modern components and > medium-reach brakes running "gravel" friendly 28-32mm tires. It would > certainly not overlap with current production Rivs. If you like Grant's > design philosophy and the ride quality of a Riv and serious fancy lugs and > fancy paint to last a lifetime, why not order a custom? > > Esteban > San Diego, Calif. > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: >> >> Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the >> general-use-mobile? >> >> The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would >> have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). >> Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop >> production on frames every few years and come out with a new model >> replacement. >> >> Just ponderin'. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4TGb3iXOmYMJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
You can always get a Riv Custom. Here's my '99 Joe/Joe, with nary a fender mount on the chainstay bridge. 28mm tires feel the best. http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/8088406652/in/photostream There're are plenty of new custom bikes, it seems (Kirk, Vanilla, Hampsten) for light, classic steel road bikes with modern components and medium-reach brakes running "gravel" friendly 28-32mm tires. It would certainly not overlap with current production Rivs. If you like Grant's design philosophy and the ride quality of a Riv and serious fancy lugs and fancy paint to last a lifetime, why not order a custom? Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: > > Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the > general-use-mobile? > > The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would have > to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). > Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop > production on frames every few years and come out with a new model > replacement. > > Just ponderin'. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/y1O4RJ3hEHQJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
If you look at the market it will be for retiring boomers. They will be buying upgrades on components, tandems, and "comfort bikes" that don't look as ungainly as most bikes in that category do. Also low maintenance - IGH, bikes designed for chain guards and integrated fenders, and even carbon belts. Bikes light enough for senior women to get on a car rack. Car free trails are spreading rapidly and will spawn a cottage industry of b&b's that cater to cyclist. So more light touring. Michael On Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:36:51 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > Seems like anything "new" would be pretty similar to the Hilsen, but > perhaps in a different color and with a different name. The roadish > Rivendell category is somewhat tightly constrained. I kinda doubt we'll see > a new Riv with press-in BB or a tapered headtube for zero-stack headset > anytime soon. > > On Thursday, December 13, 2012 1:00:58 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote: >> >> Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the >> general-use-mobile? >> >> The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would >> have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). >> Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop >> production on frames every few years and come out with a new model >> replacement. >> >> Just ponderin'. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lJhH_nRqLMwJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
Good idea, Jim. Would only add that it might be even better as a drop bar specific bike. Hey, why not wish? Eric Platt On Dec 14, 2012 8:09 AM, "Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery" wrote: > One thing Grant must occasionally think about is that the various models > overlap a lot. Another all-rounder or touring bike would cannibalize from > Hilsen, Atlantis, Hillborne, Hunq, and Bomba sales, since those bikes more > than cover that category. Sure, the new thing could have 26" wheels or > different tubing, but would that really be different enough to make sales > that weren't already gonna happen? Maybe, maybe not. > > As long as we're speculating wildly, I'd like to see a true departure > from what already exists. My "vote" is for an ostentatious lugged fat bike. > For the uninitiated, a "fat bike" typically takes 26x4.0" tires on 50-100 > mm wide rims, and the Surly Pugsley is the archetype for the genre. There > are getting to be lots of tires for these, and even silver "foil hat" rims. > It's hard to do them without disc brakes though, which may be a hurdle. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IUW6J-d6lv4J. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
One thing Grant must occasionally think about is that the various models overlap a lot. Another all-rounder or touring bike would cannibalize from Hilsen, Atlantis, Hillborne, Hunq, and Bomba sales, since those bikes more than cover that category. Sure, the new thing could have 26" wheels or different tubing, but would that really be different enough to make sales that weren't already gonna happen? Maybe, maybe not. As long as we're speculating wildly, I'd like to see a true departure from what already exists. My "vote" is for an ostentatious lugged fat bike. For the uninitiated, a "fat bike" typically takes 26x4.0" tires on 50-100 mm wide rims, and the Surly Pugsley is the archetype for the genre. There are getting to be lots of tires for these, and even silver "foil hat" rims. It's hard to do them without disc brakes though, which may be a hurdle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IUW6J-d6lv4J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
A 26" wheel All Rounder made in Taiwan? Threaded headset, but lighter and livelier than a LHT? Or perhaps a light-weight randonneur that could interchange 650b Hetres and 26" wheels (on 50mm rubber), and that runs on rim brakes? I know, just crazy talk. On Friday, December 14, 2012 12:12:50 AM UTC-7, charlie wrote: > > Next on the list will be an Atlantis style touring frame made in Taiwan to > compete with VO's Campeur and the Surly Trucker. I think this frame will be > built with real touring in mind and with more traditional angles like the > Atlantis only $1000 less expensive. I'd buy a frame like > that..especially if it was similar to an Atlantis but for less money. I > hope this is next on Grants priority list as I believe it would sell well. > > On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:50:17 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: >> >> My impression is that the next bike in the pipeline is the >> HS/Bosco/Mystery Bike if GP can convince himself anyone will buy it. The >> Rivendell Road Bike has been covered numerous times since 1994; I don't see >> it being updated again anytime soon. >> >> Joe Bernard >> Vallejo, CA. >> >> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 5:50:27 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: >> >>> I can't imagine something coming along to replace the Hilsen, especially >>> with the San Marcos and Roadeo also available. The Hilsen is a great bike >>> that is extremely versatile. I get the feeling that Gran is extremely happy >>> with the Hilsen and plans on keeping it around for many years, much like >>> the Atlantis. >>> >>> --mike >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the general-use-mobile? The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop production on frames every few years and come out with a new model replacement. Just ponderin'. >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sLwankBaIqIJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
Next on the list will be an Atlantis style touring frame made in Taiwan to compete with VO's Campeur and the Surly Trucker. I think this frame will be built with real touring in mind and with more traditional angles like the Atlantis only $1000 less expensive. I'd buy a frame like that..especially if it was similar to an Atlantis but for less money. I hope this is next on Grants priority list as I believe it would sell well. On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:50:17 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > My impression is that the next bike in the pipeline is the > HS/Bosco/Mystery Bike if GP can convince himself anyone will buy it. The > Rivendell Road Bike has been covered numerous times since 1994; I don't see > it being updated again anytime soon. > > Joe Bernard > Vallejo, CA. > > On Thursday, December 13, 2012 5:50:27 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: > >> I can't imagine something coming along to replace the Hilsen, especially >> with the San Marcos and Roadeo also available. The Hilsen is a great bike >> that is extremely versatile. I get the feeling that Gran is extremely happy >> with the Hilsen and plans on keeping it around for many years, much like >> the Atlantis. >> >> --mike >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: >>> >>> Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the >>> general-use-mobile? >>> >>> The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would >>> have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). >>> Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop >>> production on frames every few years and come out with a new model >>> replacement. >>> >>> Just ponderin'. >>> >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/e1dDdLaUptQJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
We don't have the scratch to bring in any new bikes soon. It's cash flow. If we could borrow money at 5 percent then we'd push the Go button on a few things, but right now we're nearly out of Bets and somesizesSams, and that's where the loot's going for 2013. Remember the Special Secret (SS) bike? The one we made ten of? We have a few around here to demo, and it is impossible, I think, to get on that bike and not say wowIwantone, but we can't afford to get it going. Likewise the Cheap Bike project. And there's another bike only for big guys. Tentatively named the Clem Smith Jr., and that would be such a great bike, but it too will have to wait. Pure road bikes---we have the Roadeo for that, and then we sell the Soma San Marco. I'm not inclined to do a "super classic" horizontal top tube road bike again. The Hilsen and Sam and Roadeo and SanMarcos cover it pretty well. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: > > Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the > general-use-mobile? > > The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would have > to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). > Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop > production on frames every few years and come out with a new model > replacement. > > Just ponderin'. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ii_b8FFgWR4J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
I have absolutely zero inside knowledge of Riv... but this rationale seems spot on. Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jeremy Till wrote: > I think the re-jiggering of road models over the last 10 years or so has a > lot to do with component (esp. brake) availability as a whole. In the > "dark ages" of 94-2000 or so, there were simply no long-reach brakes > available for road bikes, so Grant had to integrate his ideas into the > "Road" which made the best use of the shorter-reach calipers available and > the "All-Rounder" which used cantilever brakes. When Shimano started > making 57mm reach sidepulls again in the early 2000's, he came out with the > Rambouillet (and then the Romulus/Redwood) to take full advantage of the > clearance those brakes offered. Finally, once he convinced Tektro to make > the Silver sidepull in 2006-2008, the Ram/Rom was superseded by the Hilsen > and Hillborne, which, with the clearances provided by the 55-75mm reach > caliper, I think finally matches *his* ideal of what a "road" bike > can/should be. So, unless somebody comes out with a caliper with even * > greater* reach, which is unlikely given that such a beast would have a > hard time being strong enough to produce any real braking force, I don't > see the "road" models changing much in the coming years. > > I think the 650b bikes (Saluki, Bleriot) were similarly created to take > advantage/encourage the resurgence of 650b wheels/tires. Once 650b gained > a measure of wider acceptance, those models were rolled into the production > road models (Hilsen/Hilborne) since grant believes 650b isn't really needed > for larger sizes and 650b as a standard didn't need the publicity of a > dedicated model anymore. > > In terms of the Roadeo and San Marcos, part of me wonders if these really > fit Grant's system of road bike ideals or if they were an acknowledgement > of greater market forces, namely the demand of folks like me, who want more > clearances than a normal road bike but find the clearances of something > like the Hilsen or Hillborne a bit excessive (at least for their purposes) > and like the aesthetics and better braking performance (debatable, i'll > admit) of slightly tighter frames and smaller, stiffer brake calipers. It > definitely seems that they were both created with a great deal of > encouragement from other folks, Mark Abele for the Roadeo (maybe?) and Jim > Porter of Merry Sales for the San Marcos. > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: > >> Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the >> general-use-mobile? >> >> The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would >> have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). >> Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop >> production on frames every few years and come out with a new model >> replacement. >> >> Just ponderin'. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bwGlEzoboBAJ. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
I would like batches of Rivs built to accommodate Paul Racer braze ons but guess that is too small a market to ever be feasible. A Hilsen with canti-posts would take the new Paul Mini Vs though. That would be swell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/taspa3ZJ7ysJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
I think the re-jiggering of road models over the last 10 years or so has a lot to do with component (esp. brake) availability as a whole. In the "dark ages" of 94-2000 or so, there were simply no long-reach brakes available for road bikes, so Grant had to integrate his ideas into the "Road" which made the best use of the shorter-reach calipers available and the "All-Rounder" which used cantilever brakes. When Shimano started making 57mm reach sidepulls again in the early 2000's, he came out with the Rambouillet (and then the Romulus/Redwood) to take full advantage of the clearance those brakes offered. Finally, once he convinced Tektro to make the Silver sidepull in 2006-2008, the Ram/Rom was superseded by the Hilsen and Hillborne, which, with the clearances provided by the 55-75mm reach caliper, I think finally matches *his* ideal of what a "road" bike can/should be. So, unless somebody comes out with a caliper with even * greater* reach, which is unlikely given that such a beast would have a hard time being strong enough to produce any real braking force, I don't see the "road" models changing much in the coming years. I think the 650b bikes (Saluki, Bleriot) were similarly created to take advantage/encourage the resurgence of 650b wheels/tires. Once 650b gained a measure of wider acceptance, those models were rolled into the production road models (Hilsen/Hilborne) since grant believes 650b isn't really needed for larger sizes and 650b as a standard didn't need the publicity of a dedicated model anymore. In terms of the Roadeo and San Marcos, part of me wonders if these really fit Grant's system of road bike ideals or if they were an acknowledgement of greater market forces, namely the demand of folks like me, who want more clearances than a normal road bike but find the clearances of something like the Hilsen or Hillborne a bit excessive (at least for their purposes) and like the aesthetics and better braking performance (debatable, i'll admit) of slightly tighter frames and smaller, stiffer brake calipers. It definitely seems that they were both created with a great deal of encouragement from other folks, Mark Abele for the Roadeo (maybe?) and Jim Porter of Merry Sales for the San Marcos. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: > > Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the > general-use-mobile? > > The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would have > to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). > Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop > production on frames every few years and come out with a new model > replacement. > > Just ponderin'. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bwGlEzoboBAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
My impression is that the next bike in the pipeline is the HS/Bosco/Mystery Bike if GP can convince himself anyone will buy it. The Rivendell Road Bike has been covered numerous times since 1994; I don't see it being updated again anytime soon. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Thursday, December 13, 2012 5:50:27 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: > I can't imagine something coming along to replace the Hilsen, especially > with the San Marcos and Roadeo also available. The Hilsen is a great bike > that is extremely versatile. I get the feeling that Gran is extremely happy > with the Hilsen and plans on keeping it around for many years, much like > the Atlantis. > > --mike > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: >> >> Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the >> general-use-mobile? >> >> The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would >> have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). >> Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop >> production on frames every few years and come out with a new model >> replacement. >> >> Just ponderin'. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CyOqEjQ5TM8J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
I can't imagine something coming along to replace the Hilsen, especially with the San Marcos and Roadeo also available. The Hilsen is a great bike that is extremely versatile. I get the feeling that Gran is extremely happy with the Hilsen and plans on keeping it around for many years, much like the Atlantis. --mike On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:00:58 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: > > Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the > general-use-mobile? > > The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would have > to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). > Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop > production on frames every few years and come out with a new model > replacement. > > Just ponderin'. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/to3s0fV--ssJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
A low-trail Saluki (across a wider size range that currently available) made with Roadeo tubing might fill a small gap in their line. The Randonneur market being "hot" right now, IMHO. Seems there always a few hurt feelings in the comment sections of blogs like "Off the Beaten Path" and "Lovely Bicycle" when someone's Homer is mentioned but is more-or-less shot down because their bike lacks beer can-thin tubing and low-trail geometry. On Dec 12, 11:36 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Seems like anything "new" would be pretty similar to the Hilsen, but > perhaps in a different color and with a different name. The roadish > Rivendell category is somewhat tightly constrained. I kinda doubt we'll see > a new Riv with press-in BB or a tapered headtube for zero-stack headset > anytime soon. > > > > > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2012 1:00:58 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote: > > > Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the > > general-use-mobile? > > > The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would have > > to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). > > Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop > > production on frames every few years and come out with a new model > > replacement. > > > Just ponderin'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Any new Riv roadish bike on the horizon?
Seems like anything "new" would be pretty similar to the Hilsen, but perhaps in a different color and with a different name. The roadish Rivendell category is somewhat tightly constrained. I kinda doubt we'll see a new Riv with press-in BB or a tapered headtube for zero-stack headset anytime soon. On Thursday, December 13, 2012 1:00:58 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote: > > Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the > general-use-mobile? > > The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would have > to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides). > Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop > production on frames every few years and come out with a new model > replacement. > > Just ponderin'. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/W-nB5qPbKgAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
