Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[john Bokman]

Thanks Ron.  FWIW I would definitely want the longer stays. I’ve pretty much 
determined my sweet spot for the majority of my riding is 35mm in a 622. So 
long as I can fit a 35mm tire with metal fenders, I’m a happy camper. Not the 
skinniest, not the fattest, just right. 

I know this is a Rivendell thread, but I can’t resist (I’m confident Grant 
would approve of the inquiry into building methods). For those interested, 
notice that Mercian still builds in the old way, using the open hearth to join 
the tubes:

https://www.merciancycles.co.uk/craftmanship/frame-building/ 


> On Jan 9, 2024, at 4:28 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> 
> John, adding a ps
> My buddy Stevo has the KOM with 16" chainstays, and it really limited his 
> options. . 
> He has the PDW fenders with 25-mm tires.  
> 
> 
> 
> He also had a very unusual fit of jealousy when he learned Tad had sold me my 
> Mercian - three times we had the conversation about "he would have bought it"
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:51:00 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
> Hi John, just catching up.  
> The 17" chainstays would fit 35-mm tires with room to spare (also w/ Honjo 
> fenders).  
> The Woody's fenders are 44-mm wide, but also 8-mm thick.  My buddy Tad was 
> running 28-mm Vittoria Corsa Control gravel tires, but also having clearance 
> issues.  
> (I gave away these tires, but took a lead on them, and run the 30-mm now on 
> my International under Honjo 44-mm fendeers - great ride and better clearance 
> than 32-mm Stampede Pass).  
> 
> I built a wheelset on 126-mm 6-sp Grand Bois cassette hubs (killer exchange 
> rate), and IRD Cadence rims I already had stashed away (from closeout).  
> The perfect tires under the wood fenders are 30-mm Challenge Strada, which 
> completely solved clearance issues, and the widest tire that fits these 
> fenders.  
> I've always liked these tires for toughness and ride comfort, they're a 
> little cold-blooded, but fast and super-smooth when they warm up.  
> On the right is the best photo I have to show fender fit and tire width.  
> I call these tires low profile because of their short sidewalls.  
>  
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:11:11 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
> Ron, excuse me if I missed it, but what size tires are you running on this 
> machine? Does it fit 35mm tires under fenders?
> 
> John
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 9:12 AM, Ron Mc > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Thank you John - they still offer King of Mercia, and prices have gone way 
>> up from the $600 spec sheet on my '85 frame.  
>> https://www.merciancycles.co.uk/product-category/frames/ 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:50:52 AM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>> Love, love, love, that Mercian! Thanks for the head's up on the Decaleur and 
>> the great post with all the deets. As an owner of the horizontal decaleur, I 
>> concur that it's a great product. Nice to know I can find parts as needed 
>> now, or another for a future bike. BTW I have one in the modern style for 
>> the faceplate stem (different bike obviously) and that is brilliant, also.
>> 
>> Can't be sure but I thought I'd been informed that Mercian still builds 
>> their bikes truly by hand (no machines to speak of). On the jig, one maker 
>> at a time. One of my absolute favorite brands across the models. They all 
>> look stunning.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:57:56 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>> oops, this was the link I wanted to share on Tad's Umberto Dei condorino 
>> restoration
>> https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1940-umberto-dei.179124/ 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>> thank you Takashi, the Mercian is a labor of love x2, and I'm going to end 
>> up writing you an essay.  
>> 
>> My friend Tad put the Woody's fenders on the bike.  Background on Tad, he 
>> has a hobby business restoring and turning antique bikes.  Part of his job 
>> includes traveling in the company tradeshow van.  He previews Craigslist, 
>> makes appointments, and brings home bikes and parts.  Best example of his 
>> work, this 1940 Umberto Dei, from bare frame to this condorino with the 
>> correct chaincase and Dei-pantogrammed chainset - even a Dei-pantogrammed 
>> bike bell.  
>>  
>> https://thecabe.com/forum/attachments/a92ae443-f071-4438-a925-ecf02a1b56d7-jpeg.735360/
>>  
>> 
>> At one point, he had to generate $10,000 to help his son, and sold a stable 
>> of bikes, including the Dei, 
>> but he held out the Mercian for me, because he knew I would want it.  
>> 
>> We're polar opposites on building bikes - he wants period reproduction, I 
>> want comfort and reliability.  
>> Everything he used on the Mercian was worn out - he rode the bike twice - 
>> clicking b

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[John Bokman]

Love, love, love, that Mercian! Thanks for the head's up on the Decaleur 
and the great post with all the deets. As an owner of the horizontal 
decaleur, I concur that it's a great product. Nice to know I can find parts 
as needed now, or another for a future bike. BTW I have one in the modern 
style for the faceplate stem (different bike obviously) and that is 
brilliant, also.

Can't be sure but I thought I'd been informed that Mercian still builds 
their bikes truly by hand (no machines to speak of). On the jig, one maker 
at a time. One of my absolute favorite brands across the models. They all 
look stunning.

John

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:57:56 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:

> oops, this was the link I wanted to share on Tad's Umberto Dei condorino 
> restoration
> https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1940-umberto-dei.179124/
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> thank you Takashi, the Mercian is a labor of love x2, and I'm going to 
>> end up writing you an essay.  
>>
>> My friend Tad put the Woody's fenders on the bike.  Background on Tad, he 
>> has a hobby business restoring and turning antique bikes.  Part of his job 
>> includes traveling in the company tradeshow van.  He previews Craigslist, 
>> makes appointments, and brings home bikes and parts.  Best example of his 
>> work, this 1940 Umberto Dei, from bare frame to this condorino with the 
>> correct chaincase and Dei-pantogrammed chainset - even a Dei-pantogrammed 
>> bike bell.  
>> [image: A92AE443-F071-4438-A925-ECF02A1B56D7.jpeg] [image: 
>> C5CF7551-9F4B-445C-AB27-24682312CC83.jpeg]
>>
>> https://thecabe.com/forum/attachments/a92ae443-f071-4438-a925-ecf02a1b56d7-jpeg.735360/
>> At one point, he had to generate $10,000 to help his son, and sold a 
>> stable of bikes, including the Dei, 
>> but he held out the Mercian for me, because he knew I would want it.  
>>
>> We're polar opposites on building bikes - he wants period reproduction, I 
>> want comfort and reliability.  
>> Everything he used on the Mercian was worn out - he rode the bike twice - 
>> clicking bottom bracket, clicking 1st generation Phil hubs, molasses 
>> freewheel, clicking headset.  Dura Ace brakes that made you stop like Fred 
>> Flintstone.  Cinelli 65 deep drops.  V-O front rack that formed a truss and 
>> took the life and soul from that marvelous fork.  
>> [image: 7CBko1k.jpg] [image: 4atVIBe.jpg]
>>
>> The only parts I kept were the fenders, seat post, crank arms, shifters 
>> and FD.  
>> It took me miles of road shock and a year to work all this out and bring 
>> her back to life.  I had a NOS Blueline RD to replace the aged VGT.  
>> Phil BB, new Tange headset, wheelset built on Grand Bois 6-sp cassette 
>> hub, stem to fit me, Cinelli 64 bar, Gran Compe CP brakes and mini rack.  
>> BTW, the best fit and most tire under the wood fenders are Challenge 
>> "open tubular" (clincher), because of their short sidewalls.  
>> Here's my final gear chart, and final form.  
>> [image: LSJQShl.jpg]
>> [image: qXVvT4f.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:00:48 AM UTC-6 Takashi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> I'm not in need of a decaleur right now, but that Mercian is so 
>>> beautiful!
>>> (It's no secret that I'm partial to wooden fenders.)
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
>>>
>>> 2024年1月6日土曜日 13:17:52 UTC+9 Ron Mc:
>>>
 Thanks again, Steve - this is my longest-term bike, and the baseline 
 for measurements any time I build a bike.  
 It's cozy beyond words.  Great aero position on the moustache bar, and 
 the wide reach gives you excellent control.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Ron Mc]

oops, this was the link I wanted to share on Tad's Umberto Dei condorino 
restoration
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1940-umberto-dei.179124/

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:

> thank you Takashi, the Mercian is a labor of love x2, and I'm going to end 
> up writing you an essay.  
>
> My friend Tad put the Woody's fenders on the bike.  Background on Tad, he 
> has a hobby business restoring and turning antique bikes.  Part of his job 
> includes traveling in the company tradeshow van.  He previews Craigslist, 
> makes appointments, and brings home bikes and parts.  Best example of his 
> work, this 1940 Umberto Dei, from bare frame to this condorino with the 
> correct chaincase and Dei-pantogrammed chainset - even a Dei-pantogrammed 
> bike bell.  
> [image: A92AE443-F071-4438-A925-ECF02A1B56D7.jpeg] [image: 
> C5CF7551-9F4B-445C-AB27-24682312CC83.jpeg]
>
> https://thecabe.com/forum/attachments/a92ae443-f071-4438-a925-ecf02a1b56d7-jpeg.735360/
> At one point, he had to generate $10,000 to help his son, and sold a 
> stable of bikes, including the Dei, 
> but he held out the Mercian for me, because he knew I would want it.  
>
> We're polar opposites on building bikes - he wants period reproduction, I 
> want comfort and reliability.  
> Everything he used on the Mercian was worn out - he rode the bike twice - 
> clicking bottom bracket, clicking 1st generation Phil hubs, molasses 
> freewheel, clicking headset.  Dura Ace brakes that made you stop like Fred 
> Flintstone.  Cinelli 65 deep drops.  V-O front rack that formed a truss and 
> took the life and soul from that marvelous fork.  
> [image: 7CBko1k.jpg] [image: 4atVIBe.jpg]
>
> The only parts I kept were the fenders, seat post, crank arms, shifters 
> and FD.  
> It took me miles of road shock and a year to work all this out and bring 
> her back to life.  I had a NOS Blueline RD to replace the aged VGT.  
> Phil BB, new Tange headset, wheelset built on Grand Bois 6-sp cassette 
> hub, stem to fit me, Cinelli 64 bar, Gran Compe CP brakes and mini rack.  
> BTW, the best fit and most tire under the wood fenders are Challenge "open 
> tubular" (clincher), because of their short sidewalls.  
> Here's my final gear chart, and final form.  
> [image: LSJQShl.jpg]
> [image: qXVvT4f.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:00:48 AM UTC-6 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> I'm not in need of a decaleur right now, but that Mercian is so beautiful!
>> (It's no secret that I'm partial to wooden fenders.)
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>
>> 2024年1月6日土曜日 13:17:52 UTC+9 Ron Mc:
>>
>>> Thanks again, Steve - this is my longest-term bike, and the baseline for 
>>> measurements any time I build a bike.  
>>> It's cozy beyond words.  Great aero position on the moustache bar, and 
>>> the wide reach gives you excellent control.  
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Takashi]

Hi Ron,

I'm not in need of a decaleur right now, but that Mercian is so beautiful!
(It's no secret that I'm partial to wooden fenders.)

Takashi


2024年1月6日土曜日 13:17:52 UTC+9 Ron Mc:

> Thanks again, Steve - this is my longest-term bike, and the baseline for 
> measurements any time I build a bike.  
> It's cozy beyond words.  Great aero position on the moustache bar, and the 
> wide reach gives you excellent control.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Ron Mc]

Thanks again, Steve - this is my longest-term bike, and the baseline for 
measurements any time I build a bike.  
It's cozy beyond words.  Great aero position on the moustache bar, and the 
wide reach gives you excellent control.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, thanks for sharing. Just as I suspected, that is one beautiful 
Raleigh!  I love the attitude the mustache bar with the Acorn rando bag 
lend the bike. 

Nicely done fender install - especially on a frame not designed with 
fenders in mind. I have to agree with you regarding Honjos. I recently 
installed a 650b set of 62mm smooths on my Platypus. They are superb.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:31:08 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Steve, 700c.  
> I've passed buying fender kits, and like the Honjo blanks from Jitensha, 
> so I can drill all my own holes.  
> [image: M0u2TGP.jpg]
>
> I'm also a junkie for Paul Moons with CP brakes.  You can take the wheels 
> off, squeeze the caliper and removed the straddle cable, which lets you 
> remove brake levers to wrap a bar without replacing or even adjusting a 
> brake cable.  
> [image: O10B0QK.jpg] [image: FPidPyH.jpg] [image: BDK1H7W.jpg]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:17:02 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - 
>> you have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh 
>> - that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
>> pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
>> conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 
>>
>> I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
>> second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
>> Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
>> back in my student days. 
>>
>> Steve in Asheville, NC
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
>>> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
>>> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
>>> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and 
>>> again, I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
>>> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>

 Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
 there.  

 It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
 The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
 support.  

 [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]

 This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
 moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
 lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
 navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
 and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
 All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
 of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
 S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  

 I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
 telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
 The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
 Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
 The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
 in the open ice mule.  

 something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve 
 that fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
 The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
 [image: aP1160004.JPG]

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:

> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does 
> the lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag 
>> on Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>>
>> [image: a7PB030002.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rich, 
>>> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
>>> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon 
>>> and Ali Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like 
>>> Acer 
>>> and ProBolt.  
>>> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the 
>>> trim parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
>>> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
>>> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
>>> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle 
>>> cage.  
>>> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>>>
>>> I started this nonsense when I wa

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, thanks for sharing. Just as I suspected, that is one beautiful 
Raleigh!  I love the attitude the mustache bar with the Acorn rando bag 
lend the bike. 

Nicely done fender install - especially on a frame not designed with 
fenders in mind. I have too agree with you regarding Honjos. I recently 
installed a 650b set of 62mm smooths on my Platypus. They are superb.


On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:31:08 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Steve, 700c.  
> I've passed buying fender kits, and like the Honjo blanks from Jitensha, 
> so I can drill all my own holes.  
> [image: M0u2TGP.jpg]
>
> I'm also a junkie for Paul Moons with CP brakes.  You can take the wheels 
> off, squeeze the caliper and removed the straddle cable, which lets you 
> remove brake levers to wrap a bar without replacing or even adjusting a 
> brake cable.  
> [image: O10B0QK.jpg] [image: FPidPyH.jpg] [image: BDK1H7W.jpg]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 8:17:02 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - 
>> you have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh 
>> - that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
>> pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
>> conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 
>>
>> I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
>> second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
>> Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
>> back in my student days. 
>>
>> Steve in Asheville, NC
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
>>> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
>>> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
>>> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and 
>>> again, I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
>>> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>

 Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
 there.  

 It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
 The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
 support.  

 [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]

 This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
 moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
 lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
 navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
 and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
 All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
 of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
 S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  

 I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
 telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
 The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
 Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
 The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
 in the open ice mule.  

 something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve 
 that fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
 The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
 [image: aP1160004.JPG]

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:

> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does 
> the lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag 
>> on Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>>
>> [image: a7PB030002.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rich, 
>>> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
>>> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon 
>>> and Ali Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like 
>>> Acer 
>>> and ProBolt.  
>>> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the 
>>> trim parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
>>> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
>>> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
>>> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle 
>>> cage.  
>>> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>>>
>>> I started this nonsense when I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[Steve]

Ron, I'm just now catching up with your thread. Let me say if I may  - you 
have put together some exceptional builds. I'm intrigued by the Raleigh - 
that is a Raleigh International? Judging from the placement of the brake 
pads and the presence of fenders I'm guessing you've built it as a 650b 
conversion. I'd love to see a bit more of it. 

I have a soft spot for old Raleighs - an early 1970s Gran Sport was the 
second bicycle I purchased for myself, happily replacing a stolen Schwinn 
Varsity.  I lusted for a Professional, but only had the coin for the GS 
back in my student days. 

Steve in Asheville, NC

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:59:20 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

>
> John, one more thing while I'm thinking about it.  
> The F106 opens from the bottom front toward the rear - what I wanted to 
> add, it doesn't have a tombstone sleeve.  
> It takes some creative strapping to secure it to a front rack - and again, 
> I'm delighted with it on this bike and for this use.  
> [image: a4P4250002.JPG] [image: a4P4250006.JPG] [image: a4P5060004.JPG]
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi John, yes, that's the F106 - it must be the biggest front bag out 
>> there.  
>>
>> It otherwise opens backwards, but works well in this configuration.  
>> The decaleur replaced those red straps and provides much more overall 
>> support.  
>>
>> [image: P1160004 (2).JPG]
>>
>> This is my bike-fish bike - can pedal it to county road crossings with 
>> moratorium on parking cars - roll it into the flood plain sendero, cafe 
>> lock to a tree - you're out of the county right of way and into state 
>> navigation rights.  Also take it every winter to Laguna Atascosa NWR - 
>> 98,000 acres along Cayo and Laguna Madre shores - it all belongs to bikes 
>> and ocelots - the macadam was closed to motors 15 years ago.  
>> All bike items are in the saddlebag, especially fold-up tire and a gang 
>> of tubes, all repair items - also, a fishing bag will strap on the Ostrich 
>> S-2 saddlebag using the built-in straps.  
>>
>> I have 3 rods that will fit in the half-frame bag, 6-pc fly rod, Smith 
>> telescoping stream trout casting, and Legit Design 5-pc inshore casting.  
>> The massive front bag will carry boots with extra room, or snugs a 15-l 
>> Ice Mule with a 6-pack.  
>> The front bag also expands upward, and can keep a redfish catch chilled 
>> in the open ice mule.  
>>
>> something else to show on the S-2 saddlebag, it has a bottom sleeve that 
>> fits Nitto Erlen bag support literally like a glove.  
>> The Erlen bag support stacks on seat rails.  
>> [image: aP1160004.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 1:11:36 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does the 
>>> lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
 Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag on 
 Viner gravel bike - rock solid

 [image: a7PB030002.JPG]

 On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:

> Thanks Rich, 
> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon and 
> Ali Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like Acer and 
> ProBolt.  
> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the 
> trim parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle 
> cage.  
> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>
> I started this nonsense when I was hanging a double kickstand on my 
> Viner to keep it stable with a loaded 15-l front bag.  
> Discovered I could replace this much steel with titanium ordering 
> custom from Wanyifa.  
> I've worked this bike over, replacing M5 w/ Ti
> [image: 7pSd0pS.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> No need to be embarrassed by your Mercian. A bike that gorgeous 
>> requires every detail to suit. It shows how much you care. 
>> I'll have to rethink my choice of fasteners! 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 8:54 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rich, 
>>> Thanks friend.  
>>> While the Berthoud decaleur is the best in function, it's also the 
>>> best in non-function - it's clean and inoffensive when it's not 
>>> supporting 
>>> a bag.  
>>>
>>> [image: P3220007.JPG]
>>>
>>> Thanks again - my Mercian is embarrassingly pretty, and received 
>>> blue titanium fasteners everywhere I could use them, along with blue 
>>> Paul 
>>> Moons and Gino.  
>>> Instead of a brak

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[John Bokman]

Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does the 
lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 

Thanks,
John

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:

> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag on 
> Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>
> [image: a7PB030002.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rich, 
>> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
>> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon and Ali 
>> Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like Acer and 
>> ProBolt.  
>> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the trim 
>> parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
>> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
>> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
>> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle cage.  
>> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>>
>> I started this nonsense when I was hanging a double kickstand on my Viner 
>> to keep it stable with a loaded 15-l front bag.  
>> Discovered I could replace this much steel with titanium ordering custom 
>> from Wanyifa.  
>> I've worked this bike over, replacing M5 w/ Ti
>> [image: 7pSd0pS.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> No need to be embarrassed by your Mercian. A bike that gorgeous requires 
>>> every detail to suit. It shows how much you care. 
>>> I'll have to rethink my choice of fasteners! 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 8:54 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Rich, 
 Thanks friend.  
 While the Berthoud decaleur is the best in function, it's also the best 
 in non-function - it's clean and inoffensive when it's not supporting a 
 bag.  

 [image: P3220007.JPG]

 Thanks again - my Mercian is embarrassingly pretty, and received blue 
 titanium fasteners everywhere I could use them, along with blue Paul Moons 
 and Gino.  
 Instead of a brake bolt, the Dia Compe CP have female threads in the 
 caliper backplate, so I could use blue titanium M6 bolt through the fork 
 crown and rear brake bridge.  

  [image: P1150003.JPG]  [image: P1090002.JPG]   [image: 1P1080020.JPG]

 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Thank you for posting this. I have always like the Berthoud decaleur; 
> good to know they're available. Might be time time to lose the cords that 
> attach to the drops on my hbars. Also, great looking handlebar/bag setup 
> and a gorgeous Mercian!
>
> Happy New Year!
> Rich in ATL 
>
> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:55:40 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>> Haven't posted here in awhile, but this group ought to appreciate the 
>> heads up.  
>> Berthoud decaleur is back in stock in all varitions - it's been 
>> absent for 10 years.  
>> I just ordered one I need, horizontal stem bolt and 90-mm reach.  
>> Their Christmas sale was still in effect today - free DHL Express 
>> from France.  
>> With VAT subtracted, mine is coming home for 97 euro.  
>>
>> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/883-899-handlebar-bag-decaleur.html#/186-length-50mm/187-stem_type-ahead_4_bolt_faceplate
>>
>> IMO, best decaleur design ever.  
>> [image: tSF2Er6.jpg]
>>
>> Since I'm here, my '85  Mercian, Gran Compe CPs with Ene-mini 
>> front-brake-bolt rack and Berthoud Singer mini front bag.  
>> [image: a8PA290006.JPG]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[RichS]

Ron,

Thank you for posting this. I have always like the Berthoud decaleur; good 
to know they're available. Might be time time to lose the cords that attach 
to the drops on my hbars. Also, great looking handlebar/bag setup and a 
gorgeous Mercian!

Happy New Year!
Rich in ATL 

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:55:40 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi, 
> Haven't posted here in awhile, but this group ought to appreciate the 
> heads up.  
> Berthoud decaleur is back in stock in all varitions - it's been absent for 
> 10 years.  
> I just ordered one I need, horizontal stem bolt and 90-mm reach.  
> Their Christmas sale was still in effect today - free DHL Express from 
> France.  
> With VAT subtracted, mine is coming home for 97 euro.  
>
> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/883-899-handlebar-bag-decaleur.html#/186-length-50mm/187-stem_type-ahead_4_bolt_faceplate
>
> IMO, best decaleur design ever.  
> [image: tSF2Er6.jpg]
>
> Since I'm here, my '85  Mercian, Gran Compe CPs with Ene-mini 
> front-brake-bolt rack and Berthoud Singer mini front bag.  
> [image: a8PA290006.JPG]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud decaleur measurement question.

[E Fong]

Yes.  I measured my 5 cm Berthoud fork (their nomenclature), and that's 
what it measures c-t-c.

Ernie

On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 2:20:01 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> If the measurement from the center of my stem clamp bolt head down to the 
> place on my Berthoud  GB 25 bag where the decaleur will attach is 12 cm 
> then I need to buy the 121  extension? I'm guessing the 121 means it is 12 
> cm long? 

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud decaleur measurement question.

[John Hawrylak]

In the GB catalog, ther is a table for the size of decailluer based on the 
bag used, length of stem and height from top of rack to centerline of the 
stem bolt and type of stem bolt orientation (vertical or horzantal).  The 
table gives the proper length to use, e.g a H-91 or a H-121.

I could not find the table using some quick searches but it is there.  I 
hope this helps

John Hawrylak

On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 5:20:01 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:

> If the measurement from the center of my stem clamp bolt head down to the 
> place on my Berthoud  GB 25 bag where the decaleur will attach is 12 cm 
> then I need to buy the 121  extension? I'm guessing the 121 means it is 12 
> cm long? 

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