[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-06 Thread Ash A 
True.  Flannel lining isn't 'layering'

I meant layering for the upper body.



On Friday, 6 January 2017 16:02:08 UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Great way to go! Except that flannel lines pants are't layering in the 
> sense that if conditions or needs change as you ride, you have an option to 
> remove a layer (or add one). A more flexible approach is to wear long johns 
> under your jeans. Get too hot because the wind dies, or sun comes out? Just 
> ride in jeans.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:19:48 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> While still deciding on which long term pants to get, I needed something 
>> in a hurry for today's 40+ mile ride in 34 to 48 degree temperature range. 
>>  Looked up bunch of local store websites.  Target had flannel lined chinos. 
>>http://www.target.com/p/-/A-51244786
>>
>> It cost me only $13 in the store, but while biking in 34 degrees, it felt 
>> like a big upgrade from my regular jeans.   
>>
>> At the end of today's ride what I learned is that layering right is an 
>> art!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:42:19 UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>>>
>>> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, 
>>> I feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
>>> (typically an hour or so).  
>>>
>>> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be 
>>> they are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't 
>>> feel are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>>>
>>> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
>>> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
>>> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-06 Thread Deacon Patrick 
Great way to go! Except that flannel lines pants are't layering in the 
sense that if conditions or needs change as you ride, you have an option to 
remove a layer (or add one). A more flexible approach is to wear long johns 
under your jeans. Get too hot because the wind dies, or sun comes out? Just 
ride in jeans.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:19:48 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
> While still deciding on which long term pants to get, I needed something 
> in a hurry for today's 40+ mile ride in 34 to 48 degree temperature range. 
>  Looked up bunch of local store websites.  Target had flannel lined chinos. 
>http://www.target.com/p/-/A-51244786
>
> It cost me only $13 in the store, but while biking in 34 degrees, it felt 
> like a big upgrade from my regular jeans.   
>
> At the end of today's ride what I learned is that layering right is an art!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:42:19 UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, 
>> I feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
>> (typically an hour or so).  
>>
>> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be 
>> they are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't 
>> feel are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>>
>> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
>> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
>> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-06 Thread Ash A 
While still deciding on which long term pants to get, I needed something in 
a hurry for today's 40+ mile ride in 34 to 48 degree temperature range. 
 Looked up bunch of local store websites.  Target had flannel lined chinos. 
   http://www.target.com/p/-/A-51244786

It cost me only $13 in the store, but while biking in 34 degrees, it felt 
like a big upgrade from my regular jeans.   

At the end of today's ride what I learned is that layering right is an art!



On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:42:19 UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>
> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
> feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
> (typically an hour or so).  
>
> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
> are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
> are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>
> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-05 Thread Justin August 
I don't have a lot to contribute but I just grabbed a pair of Giro ProofMTB 
booties. The onslaught of rain hadn't Sambas soaked after a commute. These 
aren't fully waterproof but they keep my feet warm with a pair of Darn Tough 
socks even in the East Bay monsoon on Tuesday. They slip on easily, have a cut 
out on the bottom for a cleat that works just fine with my Sambas and VP flat 
pedals.

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-05 Thread Philip Kim 
http://makersandriders.com/collections/all

I wear them comfortably with  no baselayers to 30ish degrees. I pair them 
with short sleeve wool baselayer, Rapha Brevet Jersey, and Rapha Insulated 
Gilet

long sleeve wool baselayer colder than that with neck gaiter, and thicker 
helmet cap. if it gets super cold, i'll add my Chrome Ike Windshirt over. 
Usually the windshirt comes off halfway through my commute.

i commute about 9 miles there, and 9 miles back, 2.5 miles pretty steep 
uphill in the morning against strong winds on a bridge right before the 
hill, so i'm working up a sweat halfway through

for shoes i wear my hiking shoes with seal skinz socks


On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 12:34:34 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>
> Philip, 
>
> What temperature ranges do you use it for?  Did you have to wear a base 
> layer under these pants in winter?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Ash
>
> On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:48:04 UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Makers and Riders 3 season commute pants.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-05 Thread Belopsky 
Literally anything. Even their pants. You may/should try in person, but 
most of the pants i've seen have a gusseted crotch.

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 12:42:01 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>
> @Belopsky- which Patagonia items do you find useful specifically for 
> riding?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:27:31 UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> More and more I am liking my Patagonia clothing for all-around wear.
>>
>> Pricey? Yes. Made in USA? No, but I find their garments are worth it in 
>> long term - they will repair or replace if anything goes wrong. Their 
>> support is bar-none, IMO.
>>
>> For merino, I like Ibex, but Wool&Prince blend seems to be better. I go 
>> through about 1 Ibex shirt a year, but I continue wearing them as 
>> baselayers, they are just no longer allowed in public if the fiance is 
>> present..
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Ash A 
Thank you Garth.   Railriders and Outdoor Research pants do look beginner 
friendly, price-wise.


On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13:40 UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
> For pants, try Railriders if you want a roomy cut nylon pant of various 
> fabric weights.  For less roomy try Outdoor Research, though many of theirs 
> have a stretch nylon fabric . .   
>
> For your feet, try plastic in your shoes. Not the whole foot, only the 
> upper inside the shoe, not the bottom, to keep your foot from slipping 
> inside.  Just cut and shape plastic bags as you like. No need to get new 
> shoes for mild cold like that.  
>
> No matter what you like to wear for jackets, try a super lightweight nylon 
> running/cycling type of vest over your shirts, but under your favorite 
> jackets.  Look for a vest that is very light and can squish in your hand 
> and stuff in a pocket.  I have some Mountain Hardwear ones for example. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Ash A 
@Belopsky- which Patagonia items do you find useful specifically for riding?



On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:27:31 UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> More and more I am liking my Patagonia clothing for all-around wear.
>
> Pricey? Yes. Made in USA? No, but I find their garments are worth it in 
> long term - they will repair or replace if anything goes wrong. Their 
> support is bar-none, IMO.
>
> For merino, I like Ibex, but Wool&Prince blend seems to be better. I go 
> through about 1 Ibex shirt a year, but I continue wearing them as 
> baselayers, they are just no longer allowed in public if the fiance is 
> present..
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Ash A 
@drew-

66 North collection looks very good.  Pricey, but but they seem like real 
deal.  Thanks



On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 13:17:51 UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> i use these 66 north pants 
>  with some 
> wool blend long johns and am usually happy. they are kinda slim, but they 
> have stretch and a gusset. i havent tested this in any extremely wet 
> scenarios though. up top, i use a normal looking showers pass jacket with a 
> heavy shirt or sweater, or a patagonia nano puff hoody. i like to think 
> that i look like a normal person wearing this stuff. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Ash A 
Philip, 

What temperature ranges do you use it for?  Did you have to wear a base 
layer under these pants in winter?

Thanks,

-Ash

On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:48:04 UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Makers and Riders 3 season commute pants.

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Ash A 
Thanks so much everyone for the suggestions!  

I see pretty interesting options here for not only my mild winter, but also 
real winter/wet conditions.  Interestingly none of these products showed up 
during my extensive googling.  Pointers I got here are very helpful.



On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:42:19 UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>
> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
> feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
> (typically an hour or so).  
>
> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
> are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
> are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>
> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread RichS 
The Ibex arm warmers that Riv sells are a worthwhile investment. Wore mine 
today in 40 degree temps. The more you ride in cold weather the better 
handle you'll have on what to wear for given conditions.

Regards,
Richard

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:42:19 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>
> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
> feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
> (typically an hour or so).  
>
> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
> are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
> are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>
> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Eric Daume 
+1 for Foxwear. Being tall and skinny, it's hard to find pants that fit.
Several years back, I spent about $200 with him for a  jacket, pants, and
hat. I'm still using all of that regularly now (well, I think I lost the
hat).

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
> www.Foxwear.net
>
> Custom clothes at regular price.
> You talk to the owner when you call.
> Jon
>
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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread 'Jennings' via RBW Owners Bunch 
We used these pants and shorts for bike patrol.  Very good quality.  I have 
some pairs that are over 10 years old.  If you can find your size in the 
clearance section there are some pretty good prices.  http://olyuniforms.com/

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Belopsky 
Where are the prices?

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:25:40 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
>
> www.Foxwear.net
>
> Custom clothes at regular price.
> You talk to the owner when you call.
> Jon
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread drew 
i use these 66 north pants 
 with some 
wool blend long johns and am usually happy. they are kinda slim, but they 
have stretch and a gusset. i havent tested this in any extremely wet 
scenarios though. up top, i use a normal looking showers pass jacket with a 
heavy shirt or sweater, or a patagonia nano puff hoody. i like to think 
that i look like a normal person wearing this stuff. 

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Jon Dukeman,central Colorado 

www.Foxwear.net

Custom clothes at regular price.
You talk to the owner when you call.
Jon

>
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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Belopsky 
More and more I am liking my Patagonia clothing for all-around wear.

Pricey? Yes. Made in USA? No, but I find their garments are worth it in 
long term - they will repair or replace if anything goes wrong. Their 
support is bar-none, IMO.

For merino, I like Ibex, but Wool&Prince blend seems to be better. I go 
through about 1 Ibex shirt a year, but I continue wearing them as 
baselayers, they are just no longer allowed in public if the fiance is 
present..

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Re: [RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Eric Floden 
I have a pair of GoreTex socks that sure work well for me.  Only problem, I
forget I have them until halfway through a cool and/or wet ride, then get
to wish I had put them on

Eric
Vancouver

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Garth 


For pants, try Railriders if you want a roomy cut nylon pant of various 
fabric weights.  For less roomy try Outdoor Research, though many of theirs 
have a stretch nylon fabric . .   

For your feet, try plastic in your shoes. Not the whole foot, only the 
upper inside the shoe, not the bottom, to keep your foot from slipping 
inside.  Just cut and shape plastic bags as you like. No need to get new 
shoes for mild cold like that.  

No matter what you like to wear for jackets, try a super lightweight nylon 
running/cycling type of vest over your shirts, but under your favorite 
jackets.  Look for a vest that is very light and can squish in your hand 
and stuff in a pocket.  I have some Mountain Hardwear ones for example. 

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Ron Mc 
any time you get well below freezing, the air is dry, and protecting 
yourself from the wind is the most important thing.  

In cold and high-humidity, especially in mid-low 30s, you need to layer up 
extra heavy, because this is "penetrating cold" - your body has to work 
harder to warm up the air in your insulating layers

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
My vote is for some lightweight thermals under your jeans (tried and true).  
Wool is the best imo, but I use cotton/poly blends all the time without issue.

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Deacon Patrick 
Have you tried moleskin pants (Orvis) or perhaps, less expensively, 
Duluth's firehose pants? Also, try long johns under your jeans or these. 
Think in layers. Base layer, insulation layer, wind and water proof layer, 
in any combination. If 40 is a cold as you're getting, you'll be fine with 
any "normal" clothing in those combinations. 40 means if it precipitates, 
things will be very wet and cold. That is a tough combination to manage, so 
unless you are interested in going ventile (Hilltrek) just find a good 
waterproof /supposedly breathable jacket and ventilate it well as needed 
when riding. 

Cold weather riding is slower, required changes to match the conditions of 
wether and the ride itself (I have to really bundle up before descending 
the pass back home.) 

You mention pants are the most important thing. My breeches are the last 
thing to get fortified with additional layers. Managing layers at my core 
and extremities is far more critical for me. But that may just be me.

Experience is an excellent teacher. Try different combinations, ask 
questions here. You may feel like you've enough stuff on a simple day ride 
for an S24O -- that's a good thing. Better to have too much and not need it 
than too little and desperately want it.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 10:42:19 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
> feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
> (typically an hour or so).  
>
> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
> are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
> are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>
> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-04 Thread Ron Mc 
you want the same basic clothing philosophy as any cold weather outdoor 
activity - wicking base layer to keep your skin dry (merino is awesome), 
middle insulation layer to keep you warm (and weight as you can peel as you 
warm up), outer shell to keep wind and precipitation out.  

Breathable shells are great, but not necessary - sealed nylon will do the 
job.  sierratradingpost is a great place to shop for quality outdoor gear, 
including merino base layer.  With good coupon work, paid $140 shipped for 
a retail $450 Goretex-III Ultralight shell.  

MUSA pants are absolutely perfect; 

Knickers with merino knee socks work for me with as cold as it gets here 
(s. Texas).  I have knicker-length base layer.  I will wear my long-sleeve 
merino base layer, tee shirt and wind shell.  
Here on high pressure days, the temperature can swing 40 degrees - low 30s 
in the morning, and mid-70s in the afternoon.  
All my bikes have winter bags for carrying and stuffing layers and shell, 
alt gloves, along with shorty socks, etc. for when the day warms up.  

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

2017-01-03 Thread lum gim fong 
*Legs:*
For casual looking stuff I use MUSA long pants and merino wool medium 
weight baselayers. I always size up a size or two in merino wool as it will 
shrink sometimes if 100% merino, even from just washing in cold water.

*Torso/Arms:*
Merino layers of varying weights, with a J&G waterproof, breathable rain 
jacket over top as a wind break. Great in the rain, too. vent along the 
back, and huge pit zips. Two way zipper in front.

*Head:*
Bike helmet (great for wind blocking!) and merino balaklavas or merino 
cycling hats.

*Hands:*
Any winter glove should do as long as it can block out the wind and water.

*Feet:*
Wool ski socks with Nike sneakers. Shoe covers if too cold as a wind break.

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