[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
I would venture a guess that they are making multiples of the same seat lug for all sizes to increase the unit volumes to reduce costs. That was my first impression when I saw the first Clems before they were painted. Since the seatstays on all sizes would be at the same angle to the seatpost, they would need to compensate for the various lengths and angles with the curve of the seatstays and the angle of the tig welded joints. I don't know this for sure, but it makes sense and would be an ingenious way to reduce costs while maintaining some lugs where you really want them. And... I would never put it past Grant and Rivendell to be ingenious. As an added bonus, I'm guessing that the curved stays also dampen vibration coming up from the rear wheel better than a straight stay. John On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 11:18:45 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > I like it, I may put down a deposit, but I'm still a little mystified > about the seat lug which necessitates the bendy seatstays. Is it cheaper to > make the bike this way, or does Grant just like that lug and there ya go? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
I'm sure it's a frame lock like Liesl linked to. I believe they are also called cafe locks. I have an ABUS one with the chain on my Quickbeam and love it. Does not replace a proper U-lock, but it's perfect for a shopper/townie bike. On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 9:59:39 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote: > > >> > -am i an idiot for not understanding the frame lock clue? >> > my guess is something like this: > http://www.abus.com/us/Recreational-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/Frame-Locks > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I like it, I may put down a deposit, but I'm still a little mystified > about the seat lug which necessitates the bendy seatstays. Is it cheaper to > make the bike this way, or does Grant just like that lug and there ya go? Only speculating once again, but I think it was to gain tire clearance. It kicks them "outboard," compared to attaching them to attaching them directly to the seat tube. Has any other Rivendell model ever had this much tire room? Was kind of surprised to read that the bendy stays weren't originally part of the plan - I actually like the look so much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Questions
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I like it, I may put down a deposit, but I'm still a little mystified > about the seat lug which necessitates the bendy seatstays. Is it cheaper to > make the bike this way, or does Grant just like that lug and there ya go? The seat lug sockets won't accommodate the angle needed to get a straight pair of stays back to the way-back-there dropouts. It must cost something to bend all those stays, so I'd say there's nothing cheap about it. Maybe the lug was designed with shorter chainstays in mind. In that case, well, cheaper to bend the stays than re-cast the lugs! I like the swoop; these bikes are mutts in the best way. Can't wait to see what people make of them out in the wild. When I have the cash, I plan to order two to build up for my folks. RIv nailed the problem of the useful old bike supply dwindling. Best, joe broach pdx or On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I like it, I may put down a deposit, but I'm still a little mystified > about the seat lug which necessitates the bendy seatstays. Is it cheaper to > make the bike this way, or does Grant just like that lug and there ya go? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
I like it, I may put down a deposit, but I'm still a little mystified about the seat lug which necessitates the bendy seatstays. Is it cheaper to make the bike this way, or does Grant just like that lug and there ya go? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
I'm guessing these will be made in Taiwan-- but just a guess. Tubing specs-- S!lver... w/o any specifics. Good, fine, and appropriate for the task. If Grant says the swoopy chainstays aren't less rigid, I'll go with that. (Assuming rider weight is within the specs for the bike.) TIG welding is a lot less expensive than lugs. Clem isn't lugless, but there's a lot of savings in time and expertise. Paint is another biggie-- doing cream head tube with other paint means masking, and separate sprays, dries, etc. It adds a lot of time and labor = $$. As for less expensive parts-- I think that's baked into Riv. The Sugino crank is $146, and goes on many Rivs-- I've got one on my AHH. Tough to beat the Shimano square taper BB, which go for under $30. Great values I really like some expensive cranks, too, but are they "worth" double the price? Only you can say. Also, sometimes (often?) the difference in price for parts is for weight consideration, e.g., derailers. Little value in spending more to save a few grams on a Clem-type bike. Looking forward to hearing more about it, and hoping a lot of people buy it. Shoji On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 12:43:53 PM UTC-5, drew beckmeyer wrote: > > i've been following the progression of the clem, but have no insider > information. so, i think, from what i've read it is meant to be an all > arounder with some trail (fat tire clearance) and touring (thicker tubing, > braze-ons) capabilities. i would venture to say that it isnt meant to be a > traditional go fast road bike. i got one for my girlfriend who will use it > as an attractive townie that we can put racks and stuff on as i slowly try > to ease her into some overnight trips. > to add to the discussion > > -anyone know who is making these? > -what the actual tubing specs are? > -what the actual chainstay length is, other than "long" > -am i an idiot for not understanding the frame lock clue? > -i know im not supposed to harp on it, but does the swoopy seat stay mean > less rigidity? > -other than the tig welds and paint, what brings the cost down so much on > the f+f? > -is anyone else sorta turned off by the recommendations to take off good > parts and add crummier ones? i mean, if you do that, more power to you, and > if it's on the standard build, also understandable from a price point. but > it seems kind of like they dont think this bike is worthy of metal pedals > or cork grips or whatevereven if you want to put them on yourself. its > an odd play for a bike that could be a great entry level riv for people who > like the brand and wanted one, but couldnt justify the price. > > again, im already in and excited, so i dont need convincing. just curious > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 10:43:53 AM UTC-7, drew beckmeyer wrote: > > > > -what the actual chainstay length is, other than "long" > Hope I'm not citing wrong information here, but I think the chainstay length matches the seat tube length. > -am i an idiot for not understanding the frame lock clue? > I think it's that thing on the underside of the seatstay, in front of the tire. I have not clue about bike locks though, or what it would fit. -i know im not supposed to harp on it, but does the swoopy seat stay mean > less rigidity? > Grant says "no."Even if it did though, I'd consider it a "plus:" A little bit of compliance, similar to what you get at the front end, from a well designed, curved, rigid fork. But consider this: The Ritchey Plexus (mtb) and Chicane (road) bikes of the late '90s had curved stays which were touted as giving offering some compliance on purpose. Yet every review you ever read says that it was un-noticeable. And Ritcheys used ultra-light tubing for featherweight racer types. I think we can assume the Clem will be heavier, if longer. -is anyone else sorta turned off by the recommendations to take off good > parts and add crummier ones? i mean, if you do that, more power to you, and > if it's on the standard build, also understandable from a price point. but > it seems kind of like they dont think this bike is worthy of metal pedals > or cork grips or whatevereven if you want to put them on yourself. its > an odd play for a bike that could be a great entry level riv for people who > like the brand and wanted one, but couldnt justify the price. > Doesn't turn me off. They've been telling us for years to bang up, and scratch the paint, drip shellac over, and otherwise beassage even our high-end Rivendell bikes. I get where they're coming from - that a bike is a consumable product, meant to be used. But, for me, it's still a big investment that I'd like to keep indefinitely. Deep down, they know that most of us feel that way too - which was part of the inspiration for this bike I think: To help us get over the irrational attachment to material things, to worry less, and to ride more. You also have to keep in mind that Rivendell and most of the customer base is in the Bay Area which, from what I can tell, must be the bike theft capitol of the world... sadly. So the bike is meant to find that balance between something that is enjoyable to ride, but won't break your heart "when" it gets stolen. I can't wait to see the uglification sticker kit. Nonetheless, if I really end up liking the bike, nothing is going to keep me from putting nice parts on it and cherishing it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
> -what the actual chainstay length is, other than "long" > the mystery/appaloosa/cheviot chainstays are 54cm (compared to 43-44.5 on most other rivs) -am i an idiot for not understanding the frame lock clue? > my guess is something like this: http://www.abus.com/us/Recreational-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/Frame-Locks -is anyone else sorta turned off by the recommendations to take off good parts and add crummier ones? I'm not sure that there was an actual recommendation to take good parts off and replace them with crummy ones...It's the spirit of of the bike to be good but not precious. From the Clem pages at Rivbike: "The late Clem Smith parked his bike overnight in downtown Baltimore for years and naturally had each and every part of his nice bikes ripped off. He always recommended no-bs stuff for us to sell for his "cheap bike." It's good stuff, but not so precious you don't mind it getting robbed. You can outfit your bike with Clemcessories on the cheap but still say to yourself as you cruise downtown... this is good stuff. And it's all true to our quality guarantee. You'll know you're getting high quality, time tested, not-stupid stuff. These aren't just Chinese knockoffs of good Nitto products, they are items that were developed for different markets; commuting, cruising, cheap mountain bikes, hybrids. They're cheap, not fake-expensive, get it? " -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
i've been following the progression of the clem, but have no insider information. so, i think, from what i've read it is meant to be an all arounder with some trail (fat tire clearance) and touring (thicker tubing, braze-ons) capabilities. i would venture to say that it isnt meant to be a traditional go fast road bike. i got one for my girlfriend who will use it as an attractive townie that we can put racks and stuff on as i slowly try to ease her into some overnight trips. to add to the discussion -anyone know who is making these? -what the actual tubing specs are? -what the actual chainstay length is, other than "long" -am i an idiot for not understanding the frame lock clue? -i know im not supposed to harp on it, but does the swoopy seat stay mean less rigidity? -other than the tig welds and paint, what brings the cost down so much on the f+f? -is anyone else sorta turned off by the recommendations to take off good parts and add crummier ones? i mean, if you do that, more power to you, and if it's on the standard build, also understandable from a price point. but it seems kind of like they dont think this bike is worthy of metal pedals or cork grips or whatevereven if you want to put them on yourself. its an odd play for a bike that could be a great entry level riv for people who like the brand and wanted one, but couldnt justify the price. again, im already in and excited, so i dont need convincing. just curious -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Questions
I think you can (and should) find some discussion of most of your questions by digging through some old threads and the Blug archives. I think Grant said "a darkish blue, with a hint of green." And it's been described as a "non-precious, do-anything, town-ish bike, with mountain/off-road capabilities, that can carry a load really well." Probably not a candidate as a go-fast road bike, though. And, welcome! On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 9:17:33 AM UTC-7, DSat wrote: > I am a relative newcomer to the Rivendell world. I am considering a Clem. > I don't know a lot about the Clem other than the new blog pic's, etc. Is > there any particular type of riding that this bike is meant for? Is there > any type of riding that the Clem is not meant for? Since they suggested > the wide low double crank, I didn't know if that leant to a certain type of > riding or not. With a PBH of 83, Iassume the middle size would be my size. > Any idea if the blue color would be a light blue or a darker blue? Thanks > In Advance > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
